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Peter Handke Responds on the Question of Yugoslavia
Liberation (French Daily) | 10 May 2006 | Peter Hanke

Posted on 06/01/2006 3:20:50 AM PDT by Doctor13

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To: tgambill
Let's catch up.......with the facts and reality.

Nah - let's just stick with your revisionism and CIA conspiro-nutjob stories.

I find them far more entertaining.

51 posted on 06/09/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: tgambill; FormerLib; montyspython; joan; Bokababe; DTA; Oplenac; Honorary Serb; Kate22; vooch; ...
tom, it's interesting noting Michaels linguistic pattern when trapped. His denial is charming how he spins and ignores or is it ignorant of facts and truth.

We can call him Mikey for his infantile name-calling he's called us.

52 posted on 06/09/2006 11:20:29 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell

this was exactly what I was referring to...I haven't gotten the hang of the HTML posting methods yet..


53 posted on 06/09/2006 11:22:14 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite; ma bell

The stories are supported by fact and history...a dark history in our countries political agenda. I support every campaign, war, Hiroshima, and even the middle east to the hilt..but, the Balkans, that ranks with the lynchings that occurred in the south at the turn of the century and beyond to the 30's....another story.


54 posted on 06/09/2006 11:29:59 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: ma bell

You know what this is so easy....? I've found after my last divorce that telling the truth was always the easy thing to do....:)


55 posted on 06/09/2006 11:39:46 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
The stories are supported by fact and history...a dark history in our countries political agenda.

Of course.

And being a poor man's David Irving is going to bay big dividends for you someday too.

Well, at least it would if the CIA wasn't keeping you down.

Fight the power, Tom.

Fight the power.

56 posted on 06/09/2006 11:52:35 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Still got the teeth out, doing the Dhimmie kneepad-thing I see.


57 posted on 06/09/2006 4:23:43 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite

Still got the teeth out, doing the Dhimmie kneepad-thing I see.


58 posted on 06/09/2006 4:23:45 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite; Bokababe; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...
...the Orthodox Christmas massacre in 1992-1993, committed by Muslim forces from Srebrenica, a massacre also conducted against the women and children of Kravica...

Funny how you have to dodge certain truths, pancake-flipper.

59 posted on 06/09/2006 4:37:08 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: FormerLib

He is no dhimmie he is a LOVER of all things islamic and he cannot deny it. LOL!! He does the kneepad thing very willingly. He should change his handle to MONICA-hmmmmmmm.


60 posted on 06/09/2006 7:09:19 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: tgambill; Wraith; FormerLib; montyspython; Bokababe

well tom...obviously michael/hoplite err..michelle? has had a girlfriend or wife to ever need to tell the truth?


61 posted on 06/09/2006 9:04:28 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: tgambill; Wraith; FormerLib; montyspython; Bokababe

well tom...obviously michael/hoplite err..michelle? has never had a girlfriend or wife to ever need to tell the truth?


62 posted on 06/09/2006 9:04:55 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: Hoplite; Wraith; FormerLib; montyspython; Bokababe; DTA; ma bell

Hoplite,

I see that you agree, this is good. You agree that this period was a black mark in our history that may not be told. The interesting part is that most Americans have no clue about what is going on in the Balkans. It's like the blind men trying to describe the elephant. It actually started in 1948 for us and has continued to present day. A lot of little turns and strategy renovations but, a signficant SNAFU since then.

Anyway, you don't do comparisons very well. David Irving is a person that can't make his mind up and keeps changing sides. You will find that I have been consistent in my posts and effort......

Second, I don't look for dividends for me. It has absolutely nothing to do with what I can receive or benefit from. Absolutely Zero benefits.....this is where you and I part ways. You post for benefits or agendas that you have for some group, political party, persons, even though you know what is right and wrong. There is a basic truth that you have to turn your back on and justify or lie to yourself about in order to post the BS.

No one is keeping me down, as the efforts being made are by others having a lot more influence than I can dream of. However, I also realize that the forces behind Kosovo's bid for independence has very deep pockets. Anyone supporting "forces" that can get a war criminals pardoned and turned into political leaders and even a president of a people, plus....a pardon for being a war criminal has a LOT of juice. This is quite the understatement.....

Anyway, from my little seat, I will ALWAYS fight the power and more if I had the opportunity to write, speak, or become an activist. My support for the current administration's fight against terrorism is complete and supportive as I know the evil that lurks in the Koran and it's followers. However, the Balkans is part of that, and that is where my support ends. It's a confusing policy we have in the Balkans and it is being handled poorly. Innocent Albanians and Serbs have been murdered due to this misplaced support.

No, no likeness here of David Irving. You must have had one too many when you wrote this one.


63 posted on 06/10/2006 3:23:54 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Tom, as I wrote in a few of my op-ed pieces back in the mid-90s...truth eventually supercedes all lies over time. I stick to that philosophy as it is right v. wrong, regardless of ethno-affiliation or some other affiliation we all might have.

If you stick to your guns by adhering to the policy of truth, it makes your arguement that much easier as you don't work as hard covering up your lies. Life is easier, but very frustrating at times due to the hoplites of this world.

If sticking to your guns/truth means being ostricized, so be it. Truth has unlimited rounds. As we've been saying, 'when in doubt, unload your mag'.

64 posted on 06/10/2006 4:34:14 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell

Well, I know you can understand this.....as others might not...Not only would I stick to my guns for the truth and the right to tell it...but being ostricized is not even a flicker of concern, when one is willing to die or kill, if need be; for the right to tell the truth.....I take it very very serious and I'm not shy about it. Being critized or any other "ized"....is not even a trace of concern. However, its the responsibility one has to make sure that the truth is researched, known and told correctly without bias or favoritism......Semper Fi.


65 posted on 06/10/2006 5:48:07 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I see that you agree, this is good.

And I see that you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it.

Which, all things considered, isn't much of a surprise.

66 posted on 06/10/2006 10:33:13 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; tgambill
And I see that you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it.

I guess he was hoping that the toothless one find recognized truth but he should have expected less from the fluffing Dhimmi.

67 posted on 06/10/2006 1:48:17 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: FormerLib

San Francisco Hoplite Michael, bro. Confirmed.


68 posted on 06/10/2006 8:37:28 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: ma bell

San Francisco... a queen per chance??


69 posted on 06/11/2006 3:04:32 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: Hoplite

Ewe.....er, I mean you; Sarc/...naw, not ewe. Of course it's not too surprising that you don't catch on to Sarcasm when I give it to you...or ewe. This is the pot calling the kettle black. :)) Let me explain in simple terms, I was using advanced sarcasm.........and pulling yor stings.........:))


70 posted on 06/12/2006 2:06:33 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I invite you to join me in recognizing that you're not as smart as you think you are, Tom.

Then we'll have something to agree upon.

71 posted on 06/12/2006 11:37:55 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Flipping pancakes in San Francisco, eh Hoppy?


72 posted on 06/12/2006 3:52:08 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite

Okay, the link is an old one and that means? Let's get back to the discussion and not be so personal, getting a little testy aren't we? :0

However, my efforts are still focused on Kosovo. The organization at "www.savekosovo.org" offers an interesting counter to the travesity going on in Kosovo.

I still haven't figured out the purpose of your link. I thought it would be of some documentary, article, statement of fact that counters something that I've said, instead it's an earlier post with the same rhetoric that is displayed here..... Otay, dis is interesting.....ole fellow. running out of retorts?


73 posted on 06/12/2006 11:49:38 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Older thread, I know, but appropriate.

I just finished reading Handke's book -- the one that appeared in a German newspaper as a two part serial in 1996 that got him into so much trouble with the Euros -- "Journey to the Rivers, Justice for Serbia".

First of all, the book is not intended as a pure political treatice. It is a kind of travelogue of his trip to Serbia in 1996 & his impressions before and during the trip, told in a poetic style. When he does talk about the politics, he questions himself as poets often do. What it is NOT, is some pro-Serb political diatribe -- to the contrary, it is humanistic and down-to-earth and face-to-face.

Handke, as a wordsmith himself, had recognized the contortions and manipulations of the Western press in their portrayal of the Serbs and of the Yugoslav wars. He had questions -- questions that no one seems to answer for him. It is precisely this which made him want to go to Serbia and see for himself. Before this trip, he had only been to Belgrade once -- thirty years before when one of his plays was presented in Belgrade and the play was not well recieved. But, he had spent a lot of time hiking in Slovenia where his mother was born.

So what got Handke in trouble with the Euros re this piece?

1. Handke portrays Serbs as "humans" -- ordinary people caught up in an extraordinary situation beyond their control -- and this is probably his greatest "sin". As human beings, he puts himself in their place and asks himself what he would do if, for example he were a Serb in the Krajina -- where one day you were a fully equal Yugoslav citizen and the next day you were designated "a minority" in the new "Croatia" -- a Croatia who looked remarkably like the WWII Croatia where Serbs were murdered by the thousands (Would I fight or would I run? And whose the real "aggressors" here? Those who wanted the change or those who wanted to stay the same?). In short, Handke humanizes Serbs --a people who the news-media and Western governments had so successfully dehumanized to the world in order to sanction and bomb. Handke shows Serb suffering as a people, who are now designated as "the children of Cain" on whom the world heaps its scorn.

2. Handke takes the European news media to task and he names names. For example --this writer for this paper, who was a lousy sports writer immediately promoted to "Balkans expert" for his prowess in contorting surreality in to a supposed "political reality". In fact, this writer is just a racist pig with a pen, etc.

3. Handke reveals Euro racism -- how the Austrians & Germans still see people as "volk" ("peoples", "races") The Slovenes were now on a mission to prove that they were "a proud Alpine people, hand-working and industrious" -- a true Germanic "volk". He also resurrects Austria's old slogan from WWI which translates to "Serbia must Die", and notes its parallels to its attitudes today. He holds up a mirror to his German and Austrian readers --Euros who no longer wish to see themselves as "racists" are actually behaving as badly or worse than their ancestors were re the Serbs.

4. Handke believed in Yugoslavia, mourns its passing and asks uncomfortable questions of the reader. He is left with more questions than statements and does not believe the party-line on this. He sees too much wrong with the context presented and its contradictory facts. And, he no longer loves the Slovenia of his past -- he longs for it old self, gentle, serene and pastoral, instead cold, industrious and Germanic.

In short, Handke is NOT a racist, just following orders. Handke is a human with questions about fellow humans. It is for this humanity he is being punished. Sad, sick and frankly even more scary in some ways than what has been done to Serbs. This is not just political, it is ideological.


74 posted on 06/14/2006 10:45:54 AM PDT by Bokababe (www.savekosovo.org & www.serbblog.com)
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In short, Handke humanizes Serbs --a people who the news-media and Western governments had so successfully dehumanized to the world in order to sanction and bomb. Handke shows Serb suffering as a people, who are now designated as "the children of Cain" on whom the world heaps its scorn.

Bump

75 posted on 06/14/2006 11:41:59 AM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit
Pretty shocking when the authors themselves don't believe it yet posters on FR do!

You're not supposed to notice things like that.

77 posted on 06/14/2006 7:19:28 PM PDT by Hoplite
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