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San Franciscans honor those touched by AIDS
modbee ^ | 6/1/06 | lisa leff

Posted on 06/01/2006 3:32:03 PM PDT by LouAvul

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Clasping purple irises, calling out names and clapping to a gospel beat, San Francisco paid tribute Thursday to the thousands of residents who died from AIDS in the last 25 years and honored the thousands more still living with the HIV virus. About 200 people gathered in a performing arts center to hear elected officials, AIDS activists and long-term survivors of the disease reflect on the epidemic that was formally identified on June 5, 1981.

That was the date the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a paper about a mysterious illness that had been diagnosed in five gay men in Los Angeles. But few U.S. cities were as closely associated with the epidemic's worst years as San Francisco, which, as of last month, reported 17,988 AIDS deaths, or 22 percent of California's total.

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The event's tone, though, was mostly celebratory. Before inviting the audience to stand up and shout out "a welcome" to the spirits of the dead, the Rev. Yvette A. Flunder of City of Refuge United Church of Christ reminded the audience to take pride in the model treatment services and prevention programs the city provided.

"This is a praise party," Flunder said. "This is a thank you celebration and a thank God celebration."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aids; celebrateperversity; homosexualagenda; riskybehavior; sf
What's the weather like on their planet, anyway?

I lived in Kal up until a few months ago, and I remember how some of the San Fran homosexuals envied the attention AIDS brought to those who got infected.

Sickening.

1 posted on 06/01/2006 3:32:04 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

What would the statue look like?


2 posted on 06/01/2006 3:33:06 PM PDT by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: LouAvul

How does oe "honor" ANYONE who happened to get a disease?

Did they do something heroic or above the call of duty to GET this disease???


3 posted on 06/01/2006 3:33:14 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: LouAvul
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Clasping purple irises, calling out names and clapping to a gospel beat, San Francisco paid tribute Thursday to the thousands of residents who died from AIDS in the last 25 years and honored the thousands more still living with the HIV virus.

So when will they get around to lepers? or perhaps a bigger killer ... like malaria?

4 posted on 06/01/2006 3:35:39 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Did they do something heroic or above the call of duty to GET this disease???

Just got on their knees,.... or hands and knees...

5 posted on 06/01/2006 3:36:33 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Did they do something heroic or above the call of duty to GET this disease???

I don't think you really want to know the answer to that! :-)

I just moved back to LA after spending about 2 years up there, and it really is a world of its own.

6 posted on 06/01/2006 3:37:06 PM PDT by The Blitherer ("These are great days—the greatest days our country has ever lived." – W. S. Churchill)
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To: LouAvul

Instead of concentrating on a 100% preventable disease (in adults), why not spend time and energy on something like cancer which can strike anyone.


7 posted on 06/01/2006 3:38:29 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: LouAvul
That's utterly ridiculous! Why don't we go out and have a tribute to people with cancer or heart disease. Dumb asses.
8 posted on 06/01/2006 3:38:44 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: LouAvul

"the Rev. Yvette A. Flunder of City of Refuge United Church of Christ reminded the audience to take pride in the model treatment services and prevention programs the city provided.

"This is a praise party," Flunder said. "This is a thank you celebration and a thank God celebration.""

WOW.... you just wonder, did she go in as a heritic or did she devolve into one?


9 posted on 06/01/2006 3:39:05 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: LouAvul

What exactly is "heroic" about AIDS?


10 posted on 06/01/2006 3:40:26 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 29-34)
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To: LouAvul

Come on ev'rybody we've got quilting to do....


11 posted on 06/01/2006 3:40:35 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: KoRn

Activities that cause heart disease or cancer don't undermine Western Civilization.


12 posted on 06/01/2006 3:41:34 PM PDT by somniferum
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Well actually some have. Look up the term "bug chasers" it is all about homosexuals that seek out sex with infected aids patients so that the sex is more exciting and risky.


13 posted on 06/01/2006 3:41:56 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Did they do something heroic or above the call of duty to GET this disease???

There was a newspaper article about something called "bug hunting" or some such.

It was a homo who engaged in high risk activity because they envied the attention of those dying of AIDS.

14 posted on 06/01/2006 3:44:03 PM PDT by LouAvul
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The homo's (no, they are not "gay", they highjacked that word) are mentally ill. Don't believe me? google for "bug chasers". Now THAT is some sickening sh!t


15 posted on 06/01/2006 3:47:03 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: somniferum
"Activities that cause heart disease or cancer don't undermine Western Civilization. "

Right. I forget sometimes.

16 posted on 06/01/2006 3:47:18 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: dfwgator

hahhaha!


17 posted on 06/01/2006 3:47:49 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Walkingfeather

ya beat me with your post...kudo's.


18 posted on 06/01/2006 3:49:23 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: LouAvul
What's the weather like on their planet, anyway? I lived in Kal up until a few months ago, and I remember how some of the San Fran homosexuals envied the attention AIDS brought to those who got infected. Sickening.

Yeah, they are called "bug hunters": lunatic queers determined to push every limit of high risk sexual activity, since it is so sexy. The idiot Republican taxpayers have to foot the bill to pay for their ineviable disability, Medicaid, Medicare, ad nauseum.

19 posted on 06/01/2006 3:54:31 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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To: LouAvul

Why is this deserving of honor?


20 posted on 06/01/2006 3:54:41 PM PDT by pissant
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To: LouAvul

Are people "touched" by cancer? Or "touched" by heart disease?


21 posted on 06/01/2006 3:56:22 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: LouAvul

Those subject to the ravages of cancer, heart disease, etc. are much too boring to leftists, since we are not predominantly those who have screwed everything that walks (mainly male), ignored the most basic precepts of rational and moral behavior, etc. etc.


22 posted on 06/01/2006 3:56:42 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: LouAvul
San Francisco is one sick town. They honor people who are responsible for causing the disease they died from after being warned to refrain from the Sexual acts that allow the disease to be transmitted.

These same clowns then go out of their way and attack the U.S. military who are only serving in a combat zone protecting their sick little necks from a people who would gladly saw their heads off with glee.Something is seriously wrong with the people of San Francisco to allow the kind of liberal government they have,to exist.
23 posted on 06/01/2006 3:59:15 PM PDT by puppypusher
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To: LouAvul
the Rev. Yvette A. Flunder of City of Refuge United Church of Christ

You just cannot make this stuff up.

24 posted on 06/01/2006 4:03:36 PM PDT by Argus
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To: LouAvul

Yeah, in today's liberal world, having a lethal venereal disease is truly the pinnacle of accomplishments.


25 posted on 06/01/2006 4:07:09 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: LouAvul

Did they pay their respects to Artur Ashe?


26 posted on 06/01/2006 4:08:38 PM PDT by dc27
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To: dc27

Arthur


27 posted on 06/01/2006 4:09:20 PM PDT by dc27
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To: LouAvul
Last week I looked up the HIV rate in SF. Around 30% of gays in San Francisco are HIV+

Something to keep in mind if anyone ever says that gay men should be allowed to seduce teen boys

28 posted on 06/01/2006 4:09:49 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Tall_Texan

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than just touching.


29 posted on 06/01/2006 4:34:53 PM PDT by JRochelle
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To: Mobile Vulgus
They get the disease mostly by butt-banging. AIDS, we now know for a certainty is a disease of queers. Too bad they died but everyone knew the risks.

I feel bad about anyone who died for his mistakes but I can not ratchet up any feeling of honor for someone so disgustingly stupid.
30 posted on 06/01/2006 4:37:54 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: LouAvul
Clasping purple irises, calling out names and clapping to a gospel beat, San Francisco paid tribute Thursday to the thousands...

I wonder if San Franfreako thought to honor our more than 1 million war dead on Memorial Day?

31 posted on 06/01/2006 4:54:07 PM PDT by Gritty (Europe’s Anti-Americanism serves to fill the spiritual void of Europeans – Claire Berlinski)
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To: LouAvul

This is really disgusting. How could they forget to honor those with the old fashioned diseases like syphillis and gonorrhea?


32 posted on 06/02/2006 6:13:15 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: LouAvul

The chemical-AIDS hypothesis proposes that the AIDS

epidemics of the US and Europe are caused by recreational

drugs, alias lifestyle, and anti-HIV drugs (Duesberg

J. Biosci. | Vol. 28 | No. 4 | June 2003

Peter Duesberg, Claus Koehnlein and David Rasnick

390

Table 4. The HIV-AIDS hypothesis*: 17 predictions versus the facts.

No. Prediction Fact

1. Since HIV is “the sole cause of AIDS”, it must be abundant

in AIDS patients based on “exactly the same criteria as for

other viral diseases.”

But, only antibodies against HIV are found in most

patients (1–7)**. Therefore, “HIV infection is identified in

blood by detecting antibodies, gene sequences, or viral

isolation.” But, HIV can only be “isolated” from rare, latently

infected lymphocytes that have been cultured for

weeks in vitro – away from the antibodies of the human

host (8). Thus HIV behaves like a latent passenger virus.

2. Since HIV is “the sole cause of AIDS”, there is no AIDS in

HIV-free people.

But, the AIDS literature has described at least 4621 HIVfree

AIDS cases according to one survey – irrespective of,

or in agreement with allowances made by the CDC for

HIV-free AIDS cases (55).

3. The retrovirus HIV causes immunodeficiency by killing

T-cells (1–3).

But, retroviruses do not kill cells because they depend on

viable cells for the replication of their RNA from viral

DNA integrated into cellular DNA (4, 25). Thus, T-cells

infected in vitro thrive, and those patented to mass-produce

HIV for the detection of HIV antibodies and diag nosis

of AIDS are immortal (9–15)!

4. Following “exactly the same criteria as for other viral diseases”,

HIV causes AIDS by killing more T-cells than the body

can replace. Thus T-cells or “CD4 lymphocytes . . . become

depleted in people with AIDS”.

But, even in patients dying from AIDS less than 1 in 500

of the T-cells “that become depleted” are ever infected by

HIV (16–20, 54). This rate of infection is the hallmark of

a latent passenger virus (21).

5. With an RNA of 9 kilobases, just like polio virus, HIV

should be able to cause one specific disease, or no disease if

it is a passenger (22).

But, HIV is said to be “the sole cause of AIDS”, or of 26

different immunodeficiency and non-immunodeficiency

diseases, all of which also occur without HIV (table 2).

Thus there is not one HIV-specific disease, which is the

definition of a passenger virus!

6. All viruses are most pathogenic prior to anti-viral immunity.

Therefore, preemptive immunization with Jennerian vaccines is

used to protect against all viral diseases since 1798.

But, AIDS is observed – by definition – only after anti-

HIV immunity is established, a positive HIV/AIDS test

(23). Thus HIV cannot cause AIDS by “the same criteria”

as conventional viruses.

7. HIV needs “5–10 years” from establishing antiviral immunity

to cause AIDS.

But, HIV replicates in 1 day, generating over 100 new HIVs

per cell (24, 25). Accordingly, HIV is immunogenic, i.e. biochemically

most active, within weeks after infection (26, 27).

Thus, based on conventional criteria “for other viral disea ses”,

HIV should also cause AIDS within weeks – if it could.

8. “Most people with HIV infection show signs of AIDS within

5–10 years” – the justification for prophylaxis of AIDS with

the DNA chain terminator AZT (§ 4).

But, of “34×3 million . . . with HIV worldwide” only 1×4%

[= 471,457 (obtained by substracting the WHO’s cumulative

total of 1999 from that of 2000)] developed AIDS in 2000,

and similarly low percentages prevailed in all previous years

(28). Likewise, in 1985, only 1×2% of the 1 million US citizens

with HIV developed AIDS (29, 30). Since an annual incidence

of 1×2–1×4% of all 26 AIDS defining diseases combined is no

more than the normal mortality in the US and Europe (life ex pectancy

of 75 years), HIV must be a passenger virus.

9. A vaccine against HIV should (“is hoped” to) prevent

AIDS – the reason why AIDS researchers try to develop an

AIDS vaccine since 1984 (31).

But, despite enormous efforts there is no such vaccine to

this day (31). Moreover, since AIDS occurs by definition

only in the presence of natural antibodies against HIV

(§ 3), and since natural antibodies are so effective that no

HIV is detectable in AIDS patients (see No. 1), even the

hopes for a vaccine are irrational.

10. HIV, like other viruses, survives by transmission from host

to host, which is said to be mediated “through sexual contact”.

But, only 1 in 1000 unprotected sexual contacts transmits

HIV (32–34), and only 1 of 275 US citizens is HIV-infected

(29, 30), (figure 1b). Therefore, an average un-infected

US citizen needs 275,000 random “sexual contacts” to get

infected and spread HIV – an unlikely basis for an epidemic!

(Table 4. Cond.)

J. Biosci. | Vol. 28 | No. 4 | June 2003

The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics

391

Table 4.

No. Prediction Fact

11. “AIDS spreads by infection” of HIV. But, contrary to the spread of AIDS, there is no “spread”

of HIV in the US. In the US HIV infections have remained

constant at 1 million from 1985 (29) until now (30), (see

also The Durban Declaration and figure 1b). By contrast,

AIDS has increased from 1981 until 1992 and has declined

ever since (figure 1a).

12. Many of the 3 million people who annually receive blood transfusions

in the US for life-threatening diseases (51), should have

developed AIDS from HIV-infected blood donors prior to the

elimination of HIV from the blood supply in 1985.

But there was no increase in AIDS-defining diseases in

HIV-positive transfusion recipients in the AIDS era (52),

and no AIDS-defining Kaposi’s sarcoma has ever been

observed in millions of transfusion recipients (53).

13. Doctors are at high risk to contract AIDS from patients, HIV

researchers from virus preparations, wives of HIV-positive

hemophiliacs from husbands, and prostitutes from clients –

particularly since there is no HIV vaccine.

But, in the peer-reviewed literature there is not one doctor or

nurse who has ever contracted AIDS (not just HIV) from the

over 816,000 AIDS patients recorded in the US in 22 years

(30). Not one of over ten thousand HIV researchers has contracted

AIDS. Wives of hemophiliacs do not get AIDS (35).

And there is no AIDS-epidemic in prostitutes (36–38). Thus

AIDS is not contagious (39, 40).

14. Viral AIDS – like all viral/microbial epidemics in the past

(41–43) – should spread randomly in a population.

But, in the US and Europe AIDS is restricted since 1981

to two main risk groups, intravenous drug users and male

homosexual drug users (§ 1 and 4).

15. A viral AIDS epidemic should form a classical, bell-shaped

chronological curve (41–43), rising exponentially via virus

spread and declining exponentially via natural immunity,

within months (see figure 3a).

But, AIDS has been increasing slowly since 1981 for 12

years and is now declining since 1993 (figure 1a), just like

a lifestyle epidemic, as for example lung cancer from

smoking (figure 3b).

16. AIDS should be a pediatric epidemic now, because HIV is

transmitted “from mother to infant” at rates of 25–50% (44–

49), and because “34×3 million people worldwide” were already

infected in 2000. To reduce the high maternal transmission

rate HIV-antibody-positive pregnant mothers are

treated with AZT for up to 6 months prior to birth (§ 4).

But, less than 1% of AIDS in the US and Europe is pediatric

(30, 50). Thus HIV must be a passenger virus in newborns.

17. “HIV recognizes no social, political or geographic borders”

– just like all other viruses.

But, the presumably HIV-caused AIDS epidemics of

Africa and of the US and Europe differ both clinically and

epidemiologically (§ 1, table 2). The US/European epidemic

is highly nonrandom, 80% male and restricted to

abnormal risk groups, whereas the African epidemic is

random.


33 posted on 06/02/2006 6:29:37 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: LouAvul

So if a person leads a risky lifestyle, contracts a deadly disease, then dies from that disease they get honored? When is the day to honor those who died from suicide? Not a lot of difference.


34 posted on 06/02/2006 11:16:39 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
How does oe "honor" ANYONE who happened to get a disease?

They have attained the hightest form of martyrdom and have become demigods.

To these people, AIDS sufferers are the most precious form of life.

They are martyrs to The Cause, martyrs of Reagan, martyrs of the Christian Right, martyrs of the USA. And they are worthy of worship.

35 posted on 06/02/2006 11:21:47 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Heroic? No. Beyond the call of duty? Well, I'd say taking it in the poop chute is way WAYYYYYY beyond the call of duty!


36 posted on 06/02/2006 7:05:10 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: LouAvul

We don't have many people with AIDS here so we're honoring folks with crabs and the clap.


37 posted on 06/02/2006 7:06:50 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Centurion2000

Hey, do you have any idea where there would be verifiable statistics to back up that claim? I was just reading an overblown, exaggerated-sounding, HIV/AIDS story on the 25th anniversary, talking about how it's the deadliest epidemic in the history of mankind, etc., etc., and it got me to thinking that the author was probably going over the top. But I don't know where to look to find statistics on deaths due to other diseases to counter the claim.


38 posted on 06/02/2006 7:06:57 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: Walkingfeather

Yeah, my buddy who lives up in san fran (poor bastard) told me how the slang term for it is "getting the bug" or something like that. He told me about these russian roulette gay sex parties, where one invitee is infected, but nobody knows who. Yeah, sounds like a real fun time.


39 posted on 06/02/2006 7:09:15 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: Proud2BAmerican
Malaria information

Malaria remains one of the globe's leading infectious killers. Estimates of annual deaths caused by malaria range between 700,000 and 2.7 million. More than 75 percent of these deaths occur in children in sub-Saharan Africa.

AIDS statitics : worldwide

Malaria facts

After reading the pages I don't think I really believe that HIV/AIDS is that big a killer especially since the test for AIDS in Africa is classifications of symptoms.

Even more facts

40 posted on 06/04/2006 12:18:53 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: Proud2BAmerican
Another major killer is TB. Right up there with malaria.

TB stats and stuff

41 posted on 06/04/2006 12:21:32 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: Centurion2000
Even more interesting facts
42 posted on 06/04/2006 12:24:05 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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