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Ibuprofen Can Double Risk Of Heart Attack, Says Medical Study
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-2-2006 | Celia Hall

Posted on 06/01/2006 6:35:06 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 06/01/2006 6:35:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: neverdem

(((PING)))


2 posted on 06/01/2006 6:38:43 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: blam

OK, so don't take them in high doses.


3 posted on 06/01/2006 6:40:16 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: blam

Take two aspirin instead.


4 posted on 06/01/2006 6:40:30 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: blam
They use to make me bleed like a stuck pig (no more info forthcoming).
5 posted on 06/01/2006 6:40:37 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: A CA Guy

One might suspect that those taking these at high dose levels already have some fairly severe health issues.


6 posted on 06/01/2006 6:41:54 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: blam

I'm curious how they define 'high doses.' I didn't see it specified in the article.


7 posted on 06/01/2006 6:42:08 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: Always Right
Aspirin, bla bla bla, they are all about the same chemically speaking.
8 posted on 06/01/2006 6:42:53 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: blam
Ruh Roh!

I guess I better stop taking double the recommended dose of Advil (for a broken ankle) until I get the results of yesterday's Nuclear Stress Test, eh?

9 posted on 06/01/2006 6:44:46 PM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: A CA Guy
OK, so don't take them in high doses.

I only took one VIOXX a day.

I eat 8 or more Ibuprofen to take it's place.

The VIOXX worked much, much better.

At least let me die with less pain.

10 posted on 06/01/2006 6:45:01 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: blam

Well, isn't that special. I practically live on those things. I didn't want to take narcotics all the time because of that danger, so now the alternative is going to kill me. LOL So, what are we supposed to do for the pain?


11 posted on 06/01/2006 6:45:48 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (CONGRESS, YOU BUILD THE FENCE NOW, OR WE*LL VOTE FOR LAWMAKERS WHO WILL!)
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To: blam
So, we banned Vioxx and the legal community is mounting a massive class action suit, because it represents approximately the same heart attack risk as Ibuprofen?
12 posted on 06/01/2006 6:45:52 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: blam
Did I miss it, or did they fail to define "high dose?"

They found that there were three more heart attacks per 1,000 people every year in those who did not already have heart disease but who were taking COX-2 inhibitors or NSAIDs.

Without ibuprophen many people would have no quality of life, so what's a .3 percent increase in yearly risk to someone with pain? I don't think this will deter many ibuprophen takers.

When you read the side effects on any drug, OTC or Rx, there are always risks.

13 posted on 06/01/2006 6:46:15 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: blam
could cause attacks when taken in high doses.

Isn't it funny that they don't mention what a "high dose" is. So, I will assume that they mean taking over 400 capsules in a 24 hour period and therefore I will continue to use ibuprofen.

14 posted on 06/01/2006 6:50:28 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: blam

Without ibuprofen I'd have ceased being functional four or five years ago. I'll take my chances.


15 posted on 06/01/2006 6:52:35 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: blam

Funded by the makers of Tylenol?

(That's a joke people, a joke. lol)

Seriously, what IS a high dose? 10? 16? with beer? wine? tell me! I take them all day long. Figure my liver or kidneys will give out first. Heart attack will only finish things off.


16 posted on 06/01/2006 6:55:44 PM PDT by Annie5622 (Democrats DO have a plan! They apparently plan to stay stupid.)
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To: eddie willers

Vioxx worked great. Then Factor Five forced me into giving it up. Now I'm stuck with Celebrex and Lyrica.

Someday they're going to come up with the perfect painkiller (besides death) that doesn't make your rational thoughts sprout purple mushrooms. Then the drug addicts will figure out some new use for it and get it banned.

There are days I feel seriously screwed.


17 posted on 06/01/2006 6:56:30 PM PDT by Kieri (Dump "Dangerously Incompetent" Debbie, Support Keith Butler for Senate)
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To: annie laurie
I traced it back to the original article in the British Medical Journal and found it here:
Our results indicated that high dose ibuprofen (800 mg three times daily) and high dose diclofenac (75 mg twice daily) were each associated with an increased risk of vascular events ...
That's twice the maximum warning on the label ("Do not excced 6 tablets [200 mg each] in one day") or equal to 12 maximum strength tablets a day.
18 posted on 06/01/2006 6:57:26 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: blam

The sky is falling.


19 posted on 06/01/2006 6:58:41 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: blam

Have no fear, in a couple of years a different bunch of "researchers" will state that Ibuprofen prevents heart attacks.


20 posted on 06/01/2006 6:59:15 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: FreedomCalls

800 mg, three times a day, is a prescription dose (at least that's what I've been Rx'd after surgery.)

I take that much some days, and other days I take none. All depends on the pain level.

Tylenol will kill your liver, ibuprophen will give you a heart attack...well, you gotta go some way, so why not go out pain-free, LOL.


21 posted on 06/01/2006 7:00:46 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53; taxesareforever; Annie5622
I found "high dose" defined in the original article. See above.
22 posted on 06/01/2006 7:02:14 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Quick work, thank you :)


23 posted on 06/01/2006 7:05:18 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: blam

You know what? Practically everything kills you.

No food is 100% safe, no drug, no substance is without adverse circumstances in at least some obscure scenario.

Frankly, the human body doesn't work forever. And that's pretty much not going to change.


24 posted on 06/01/2006 7:08:05 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: NRA2BFree

Take the danged narcotics.

This is a load of BS. Heroin = Bad, Oxycontin = Good. The only things that makes Oxy "good" are the facts that it is made by a legitimized drug company from synthetic substances to EXACTLY mimic the effects of Heroin.

Nothing inherently wrong with either drug. Heroin would be fine, as long as its purity is assured and the patients can get enough of it as tolerance builds. Don't think for one minute you can't develop tolerance/addiction problems with ANY synthetic opiate. Better to be a FUNCTIONING addict than debilitated by pain.


25 posted on 06/01/2006 7:08:18 PM PDT by 308MBR ( Somebody sold the GOP to the socialists, and the GOP wasn't theirs to sell.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Thanks, I feel so much better now knowing I AM taking the high dosage. lol


26 posted on 06/01/2006 7:09:52 PM PDT by Annie5622 (Democrats DO have a plan! They apparently plan to stay stupid.)
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To: NRA2BFree
LOL So, what are we supposed to do for the pain?

Don't you know? Suffering is good for you!

27 posted on 06/01/2006 7:10:46 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: FreedomCalls
(800 mg three times daily)

800mg three times a day is what you get prescribed after a minor surgery to take for a week or longer.

28 posted on 06/01/2006 7:12:37 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: blam

ping for later


29 posted on 06/01/2006 7:15:02 PM PDT by true_blue_texican (grateful texan! -- whoops! I'm sober tonight, what happened?)
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To: oxcart

The exception is acetaminophen (paracetamol), commonly known as Tylenol -- which should be the pain-reliever of first resort because of its much lower incidence of negative side-effects.

In fact, the drug makers have caused it to be overlooked in favor of much more expensive medications and often claim that it isn't much more than a placebo -- because of the absence of negative side-effects.

While as effective in providing pain relief to the receptors in the brain, they are not as effective anti-inflammatories, which can be addressed separately by inflammation reducing movements. The worst thing about the NSAIDS and COX-2 inhibitors is the propensity to produce gastric upset and thus keeping the body always stressed out by those concerns.


30 posted on 06/01/2006 7:22:51 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: dawn53
>>>Tylenol will kill your liver, ibuprophen will give you a heart attack...well, you gotta go some way, so why not go out pain-free, LOL.<<<

Hey, I've already had the heart attack - so I use wine. Pain free and smiling, at least in the evenings!

More LOL!!!

31 posted on 06/01/2006 7:27:45 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Hey, march some more - its helping get the wall built!)
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To: HardStarboard

The only time liver damage seems to have occurred is because of suicical high dosages for the deliberate purpose of producing death in this manner.


32 posted on 06/01/2006 7:32:00 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: MikeHu

Tht's like forcing the rats to consume 1,000 diet soft drinks daily to see if they will have bladder irritation -- and then extrapolating an increased probility of cancers from saccharine.


33 posted on 06/01/2006 7:34:53 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: eddie willers
The VIOXX worked much, much better.

That was my wife's experience too.

34 posted on 06/01/2006 7:40:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: MikeHu

You are giving very dangerous and incorrect information (Hope you are not a salesperson for J & J and Tylenol). Tylenol, known as paracetamol in most of the world, and as acetaminophen in the USA, is indeed, less damaging to the stomach than NSAIDS. However, it can be very dangerous to the liver, particularly in combination with alcohol. And when taken in a overdose, unlike aspirin, is almost always fatal. More children now die from accidental Tylenol poisoning,by far, than from aspirin overdose. So folks, please keep those bottles of Tylenol away from your children and grandchildren.


35 posted on 06/01/2006 7:49:35 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: Always Right
Take two aspirin instead.

Two aspirin will do me in - I can only take willow bark caps - which has the active ingredient in aspirin, but still contains the buffers that nature built in - and I have no problem.

I also have good luck with homeopathic anti-inflammatories

36 posted on 06/01/2006 7:52:18 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: NRA2BFree
I didn't want to take narcotics all the time because of that danger

This comment was made to someone I know regarding narcotics: "so what's worse? the pain or the constipation?"

It should also be noted that chronic pain also carries physical risk factors, not just discomfort. Elevated blood pressure for one. So, it seems to me, that one should wonder what other risk factors are already present in the population that has the need to use high doses of NSAIDs in the first place.

37 posted on 06/01/2006 7:52:59 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: Aussiebabe

* Disclaimer: Don't take whole bottles of acetaminophen to kill yourself!


38 posted on 06/01/2006 7:59:20 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: blam

39 posted on 06/01/2006 8:00:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: blam

Mrs. Winslow's Soothing Syrup was an indispensable aid to mothers and child-care workers. Containing one grain (65 mg) of morphine per fluid ounce, it effectively quieted restless infants and small children. It probably also helped mothers relax after a hard day's work. The company used various media to promote their product, including recipe books, calendars, and trade cards such as the one shown here from 1887 (A calendar is on the reverse side.).

40 posted on 06/01/2006 8:05:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: FreedomCalls

Thanks. But I will continue to take it whenever and how many I want.


41 posted on 06/01/2006 8:06:05 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Lancey Howard
SOURCE for above posts #39 and #40: Addiction Research Unit/University at Buffalo
42 posted on 06/01/2006 8:08:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dawn53
"800 mg, three times a day, is a prescription dose (at least that's what I've been Rx'd after surgery.)"

Tell your docter you want to stop that if your are on it as an anti-inflammatory.

Voltaren is the most powerful anti-inflammatory pill you can get (sodium diclofenac). It works for me with only 2 each 75mg pills for a day. Neck, back, leg pains go away with only one pill.

Tramadol is Ultracet for pain at 375 mg each. It is more effective for pain than Darvocet or Vicodin. Non-opiate and non-addictive.

I used opiates for a longer time than I should because of injuries and discovered these two are all I need before I realized I needed them no more. Try them. Tell your doctor to order these chemicals for you. I have bad disks. You can't take aspirin or ibuprofin with these.

43 posted on 06/01/2006 8:14:31 PM PDT by BobS
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To: blam

Not trolling your thread, but I'm so sick of this endless litany of 'medical Studies'. I hear about them daily, sometimes multiple times, and they begin contradicting each other eventually. It's all white noise to me.


44 posted on 06/01/2006 8:17:24 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Always Right

Just take this for aches and pains instead. It's probably not as bad for you as allot of the other junk that's out there lol.

45 posted on 06/01/2006 8:19:55 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: neverdem

ping


46 posted on 06/01/2006 8:20:27 PM PDT by GOPJ ("What we have learned from history is that we haven't learned from history." B.Disraeli)
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To: blam

Okay, define "high doses".


47 posted on 06/01/2006 8:22:01 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: GadareneDemoniac
Have no fear, in a couple of years a different bunch of "researchers" will state that Ibuprofen prevents heart attacks.

Ibuprofen may prevent Alzheimer's. And generally, anti-inflammatories should have health benefits. High doses of aspirin (too high to be tolerable), would probably cure type 2 diabetes.

48 posted on 06/01/2006 8:24:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Annie5622
Thanks, I feel so much better now knowing I AM taking the high dosage. lol

Stole my line!

49 posted on 06/01/2006 8:25:56 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: blam

A year ago I was taking 6-8 325mg aspirin per day.....today I'm taking NONE....or one a week.....some people could benefit from FISH OIL.....it's an anti-inflammatory. But, you have to take substantial amounts daily.....course, the bio-identical hormones have helped a lot too, I think....and maybe the thyroid med...which I'm weaning off of....there are OTHER ways to deal with pain that is not caused by a specific incident injury.


50 posted on 06/01/2006 8:26:37 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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