Posted on 06/02/2006 6:32:48 AM PDT by rcocean
The Senate, by opening the door to U.S. citizenship for millions of illegal aliens, has cheapened something Americans used to consider priceless. That the Senate would put on a path to U.S. citizenship people who, only a month ago, were marching under Mexican flags is a manifestation of national decline.
In 1963, as Churchill was approaching death, a debate was held in our country and Congress on whether that friend and ally in World War II should be granted U.S. citizenship, an honor previously accorded only to the French hero of the American Revolution, Lafayette.
That is how we treasured citizenship then. But like the dollar and much else, it has been badly depreciated under this generation.
In its decision whether to accept or reject the Senate amnesty-guestworker plan, the Republican House -- which rejected that course last December -- will define itself and the GOP. To the nation, it will be seen as either an independent House to be respected and re-elected as the only people's House in this capital city, or it will be seen as but a tool and rubber stamp of the White House and Senate.
(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...
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Link doesn't work.
Pat Buchanan ran at the wrong time. If he were running in 2008, he'd have a pretty good chance.
I clicked on "columnists list" and then got to click on PJB. Printed it out to read later.
The link doesn't work - does Pat go on to blame the Jews?
I disagree with him a lot because he's an anti-semite, but Buchanan is right on this point. Our president and congress have sold us out. They are completely wrong on the immigration amnesty issue. They're going to pay for it in November when a lot of conservatives stay home and the Democrats regain control of congress in a landslide.
Many here at FR at extremely adept at this highly intellectual stratagem of philosophical debate.
That's the truth!
Pat's right. Do RINO elites need grateful servants so much they'll sell out our heritage?
Note to ellites: once the illegals are citizens they'll stop picking grapes, stop watching your kids for nothing, and you'll be right back at the start. Except we won't trust you...
Second 'at' = 'are' in second sentence.
I had begun to wonder how many of us here actually follow politics.
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pat buchanan is a moron. however, even a broken clock is right once a day. this time he managed to hit the nail on the head.
correction, a broken clock is right TWICE a day. ..........need coffee........
It won't cost "them" a thing....it is conservatives that will pay. I'm sure glad everyone now trusts the Democrats to do a better job on immigration.
They're going to pay for it in November when a lot of conservatives stay home and the Democrats regain control of congress in a landslide.
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Cutting off our noses to spite our faces. They won't pay for it , we will! We have to hold republicans accountable for how they vote not stay home and pout.
That is nonsense and you know it...please provide us examples of his "anti-semitism". These examples should not include instances where Pat suggests that a foreign power has too much influence over our foreign policy.
He has been driven out because he is perceived to be insufficiently friendly to specifically Jewish concerns. This is the true third rail.
But unlike a broken clock, he is right MORE than once a day. In fact, he is beginning to look like an authentic wise man.
You must not see many Pat Buchanan threads.
The Pat "America Last" Haters always call him names. They never back it up with facts or show how their smears are relevant to the topic at hand.
Pat doesn't hate anyone but they sure hate Pat with a passion. Their hatred has nothing to do with the USA or Immigration but the Middle East.
"Pat Buchanan ran at the wrong time"
It's never the wrong time for Pat Buchanan, just the wrong voters.
This disconnect the Senate has stems directly from the 17th amendment. The framers knew this would be the case, which is why they specifically prohibited direct election of Senators. Now look what we get: 80% of the country ignored by essentially 1/6th of our governmental power structure.
I hope the House stands up. They have the pulse of the Nation; to hell with the Senate.
The printer friendly version is http://www.townhall.com/print/print_story.php?sid=199171&loc=/opinion/columns/patbuchanan/2006/05/30/199171.html.
"please provide us examples of his 'anti-semitism'"
I've never seen any proof of this, only Pat's repeated assertions that we are the target of middle east acts of terrorism because of our support for Israel. That's true to a certain extent, but it doesn't automatically make him an anti-Semite, nor does it prove he has something against the Jews or Isreal itself.
"I'm sure glad everyone now trusts the Democrats to do a better job on immigration."
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Relax, if GWB signs "it's not amnesty"....we'll have 12,000,000 x 16 Dumocrats being imported in the next 10 years...you can kiss GOP good bye forever.
Nobody knows how to screw Republicans better than Republicans.
"That is nonsense and you know it...please provide us examples of his "anti-semitism". These examples should not include instances where Pat suggests that a foreign power has too much influence over our foreign policy."
To some, ANY disagreement with ANYthing Israel does earns the tag "anti-Semite".
It's their way of trying to drown out intellectual discussion on questionable Israeli foreign policy. And it's been pretty effective.
If there was any convincing evidence that Pat is an anti-semite, we wouldn't be allowed to post his articles here; but that doesn't stop folks from making their shrill accusations. The real reason most of them hate Pat is because when he saw the Republican party walking away from conservatism, he walked away from the Republican party. However, that position is making a lot of sense to a lot more people now.
If I'm not mistaken, it will take about 11 years for any current illegals to become citizens even with the Senate abomination bill. Also, didn't the Republicans get about 40% of the Hispanic vote last time?
Most Hispanics are Catholics also....that doesn't play well with the Dem's stand on abortion, etc...
Real Clear Politics .com has the entire article, pasted below. It would be interesting to discuss this article, as oppossed to Pat Buchanan's character flaws, which are well known at this point.
Our Enemy, the State" was a minor classic by Albert Jay Nock that young conservatives consumed in the Goldwater days of long ago.
In the 1970s, however, "conservatives" tasted power under Nixon.
In 1980, they captured the White House. Today they control the government.
But along that long road to power, many shed principles and convictions as they came to relish the wielding of power for its own sake no less than the liberals of the New Deal and Great Society.
Many now in power are in reality conservative impersonators, the sort of people the conservative movement was first mounted to run out of town. Indeed, under George W. Bush, the party of Goldwater and Reagan has become a second party of government. Social spending has soared as rapidly as it did in the salad days of LBJ.
Last week, the title of Nock's classic came again to mind. For "Our Enemy, the State" is an exact description of a regime that seeks to convert into law a Senate amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, while authorizing transnational companies to go abroad to bring hundreds of thousands of foreign workers here every year to displace Americans.
Three-in-five Republican senators voted "no" to amnesty. It sped to passage, however, with the backing of George W. Bush, John McCain, Bill Frist and nine of every 10 Senate Democrats.
That proposed amnesty, and the bipartisan support it won, is a textbook example of an establishment against the people, and a state at war with the nation. For that bill would alter the face, fate and future of America against the expressed will of the nation.
Rather than stand with the people who put them in office, Bush, Frist, McCain and 21 GOP senators, in the defining collision between K Street values and Main Street values, went with K Street.
Since the Immigration Act of 1965, Americans, in every poll and referendum, have demanded reductions in immigration, an end to the invasion through Mexico, no amnesty, a resolute defense of America's borders. Yet, not until a firestorm of protest erupted after he called the Minutemen "vigilantes" did Bush begin to speak up for border security.
Given the collapse in enforcement of U.S. immigration laws in his first five years in office, it calls for a great leap of faith to credit Bush's sincerity now. One senses the president is tossing pennies to the House to buy their support of the amnesty-guestworker plan on which he and Vicente Fox have been colluding for years.
Now it comes down to the people's House. And the question is a simple one: Will the House that, last December, voted for the toughest border security and enforcement bill in our lifetime capitulate to the president and his allies from Harry Reid to The New York Times to La Raza?
But this is not only a test of the House. It is an opportunity for the House. It is a chance for the House to declare its independence of the national establishment. If the House will say to the Senate and Bush, "No amnesty, no deal!" it will have not only done its duty by the people who elected it, it will have rejected dishonorable compromise in favor of what is right for America.
But if the House goes along with a Senate bill with which, by its own December vote, it disagrees, a bill that will break the hearts of people who put it in power, what will be the remaining argument for keeping the House Republican?
Answer: There is none. This immigration bill is not only about America's future, but the continued relevance of the Republican Party as the party to rule and run the nation.
The Senate, by opening the door to U.S. citizenship for millions of illegal aliens, has cheapened something Americans used to consider priceless. That the Senate would put on a path to U.S. citizenship people who, only a month ago, were marching under Mexican flags is a manifestation of national decline.
In 1963, as Churchill was approaching death, a debate was held in our country and Congress on whether that friend and ally in World War II should be granted U.S. citizenship, an honor previously accorded only to the French hero of the American Revolution, Lafayette.
That is how we treasured citizenship then. But like the dollar and much else, it has been badly depreciated under this generation.
In its decision whether to accept or reject the Senate amnesty-guestworker plan, the Republican House -- which rejected that course last December -- will define itself and the GOP. To the nation, it will be seen as either an independent House to be respected and re-elected as the only people's House in this capital city, or it will be seen as but a tool and rubber stamp of the White House and Senate.
How do you propose holding them accountable, going out to vote for them?
You're going to pay for it regardless.
Because the Jews suffered so horribly in WWII, people have accepted that nothing that is not laudatory can ever be said about them.
Pat does not follow that dictim.
Jews are, in the aggregate, very succesful, prosperous and influential in this country (through their intelligence and hard work). But they have their own self-interested agenda and baggage just as does every other ethnic and religious slice of the population.
This idea that you can critized Catholics or evangelicals, atheists, muslims, Southerners, Yankees, gays, straights, (above all) white men, etc., but that you can never generalize, except in a flattering way, about Jewish interests or concerns or motives, this is B.S.
One particular project that has been favored and pushed hard by Jewish groups since the 1920s is massive immigration. Many Jews apparently feel that America would be a more comfortable place for them if it were not dominated by a culturally coherent group (i.e., Christians of Western European extraction). It is an issue I am having right now with many in the Jewish community including many who have joined the Republican party in recent years. Happily, some important Jewish voices realized how misguided is this project of attacking American (Christian/European) cultural solidarity and are speaking out against it.
Pat is one of the few courageous souls who simply speaks the truth and does not feel bound to cowtow to Jews any more than to any other group.
>>It won't cost "them" a thing....it is conservatives that will pay. I'm sure glad everyone now trusts the Democrats to do a better job on immigration.<<
Exactly who do you think the illegals are going to vote for, when they ARE given the right to vote...Republicans? No! DEMOCRATS.
Think it through, man!
So many are whining about "Speaker Pelosi"...If amnesty passes, we will not only have speaker Pelosi, we will have Dem speakers until our great grandchildren are long dead and buried.
Don't be so shortsighted.
Do you want to see the GOP and our nation destroyed?
The amnesty the President wants will damn sure do it.
Give it a rest.
How does the "disconnect" come from direct election? THe disconnect comes from 6 year terms (which should be reduced to 4) and defacto life tenure (which is why we need term limits)
The state houses in Calf are to the left of Boxer and feinstein. Without direct election, you would have had Calf Speaker Willie Brown deciding who the Senator from Calf was.
How do you get senators more "connected" to the average person if they don't ever have to face the voters? All they had to do prior to the 17th Admendment is curry favor with the party bosses and the leaders of the state houses.
re your post #32. I am still convinced that "it's not amnesty" will be the destruction of our Republic as we now know it. There has not been one word written to suggest otherwise. I see absolutely no compelling reason why these illegals should have access to a "pathway to citizenship".
I am for legal, measured immigration.
Pat is for fighting for the interests of the USA such as taking out bin Laden, al-Qaeda, Germany, Japan and anyone else that attacks our land. He is not for being the world's policeman to advance the interests of England, Formosa, Ireland, Israel, Kosovo, Kuwait, Korea, et al who are engaged in ancient conflicts. Because he does not sing with the Amen Chorus and make an Israel exception, he is called anti-Semitic.
give what a rest?
I'm sure many are thinking the same. Doesn't mean he can't run again. I'm tellin' ya, the '08 election is going to be ripe for a decent and honest 3PC.
That proposed amnesty, and the bipartisan support it won, is a textbook example of an establishment against the people, and a state at war with the nation. For that bill would alter the face, fate and future of America against the expressed will of the nation.
Pat nails that as many others have.
Given the collapse in enforcement of U.S. immigration laws in his first five years in office, it calls for a great leap of faith to credit Bush's sincerity now. One senses the president is tossing pennies to the House to buy their support of the amnesty-guestworker plan on which he and Vicente Fox have been colluding for years.
As well, W not looking at all like the conservative that many of us thought he was. So much for Jeb's running at any point in the future. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us. Fool us thrice, ...
This immigration bill is not only about America's future, but the continued relevance of the Republican Party as the party to rule and run the nation.
In its decision whether to accept or reject the Senate amnesty-guestworker plan, the Republican House -- which rejected that course last December -- will define itself and the GOP. To the nation, it will be seen as either an independent House to be respected and re-elected as the only people's House in this capital city, or it will be seen as but a tool and rubber stamp of the White House and Senate.
Indeed!
Churchill was an American citizen ... until he turned 21.
He had dual citizenship, till then, from his American mother.
History is proving both Buchanan and Ross Perot correct in what they were saying in the 90s but it's way easier for those who disagreed to attack their personalities than their message.
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When Bush, Rumsfeld, the Weekly Standard and more freepers were predicting that the invasion of Iraq would be a piece of cake, Buchanan was warning that after we took Baghdad and toppled the regime, a long reign of terror around the country would ensue - we'd have a long and brutal guerrilla war to contend with. He was scoffed at for making this prediction -- by the real "morons."
a few disturbing quotes to consider:
Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets;
"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth
Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future.
You are old and tired. Go on. We have
beaten you. Leave like beaten rats.
You old white people. It is your duty to die.
Through love of having children, we are
going to take over."
Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council.
"They're afraid we're going to take over the
governmental institutions and other institutions.
They're right. We will take them over . . We
are here to stay."
Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico,
"The American Southwest seems to be slowly
returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without
firing a single shot."
Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas;
"We have an aging white America. They are not
making babies. They are dying. The explosion is
in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in
their pants with fear. I love it."
Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic
Party,
"Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer
funds for services to non-citizens--was the last
gasp of white America in California."
Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor,
"We are politicizing every single one of these new
citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . .
I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm
going to go out there and vote because I want to
pay them back."
Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic
Organizations and California State Secretary of
Health, Education and Welfare under Governor
Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential
Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton,
"California is going to be a Hispanic state.
Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."
Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General ,
"We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California."
Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount
University;
"We need to avoid a white backlash by using
codes understood by Latinos . . . "
The freepers who call Buchanan names have adopted Jesse Jackson's playbook: if you don't agree with somebody - and aren't articulate enough to answer his arguments - you use the race card. This is a tactic for leftists - and freepers who don't agree with (and don't have the intellectual firepower to answer) Pat Buchanan.
Despite all the slings and arrows, Pat Buchanan has always spoken his mind courageously - at no small cost to his career. Once again, he has written the truth - and as time goes by, more people will see it to be the truth.
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