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Was the 2004 election stolen? No. (Salon Thoroughly Debunks RFK Jr?)
Salon ^ | June 2, 2006 | Farhad Manjoo

Posted on 06/02/2006 8:45:23 PM PDT by RWR8189

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1 posted on 06/02/2006 8:45:27 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

Even the moonbats at Salon.com don't buy it.


2 posted on 06/02/2006 8:51:53 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: RWR8189
RFK Jr. could do much more for his causes by supporting the CAPE WIND project instead of re-hashing this "election was stolen" garbage.
3 posted on 06/02/2006 8:55:37 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: RWR8189

It's a great article, but I don't buy the argument that the minorities were the primary victims of long lines. Close to 120 million people voted in that election. The lines at my polling place in Atlanta were so long that I waited five hours to vote.


4 posted on 06/02/2006 8:58:56 PM PDT by mwfsu84
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To: RWR8189
Earlier on CNN, RFK's accusations were a major discussions and the banner said "Developing Story".

I guess they were hoping something would come of it.

5 posted on 06/02/2006 9:00:19 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Every person has a photographic memory - but some don't have their flash card installed.)
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To: RWR8189
If only someone with Kennedy's stature would outline this need.

With Kennedy's stature? Can Mickey Rooney still form sentences? Gag me with a bent spoon. I tune into Air America on Saturdays sometimes just to listen to RFK, III and his addled mind and sandpaper/Parkinson's/post heroin addiction vocalization. He's a drooling moron.

6 posted on 06/02/2006 9:02:12 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: RWR8189

Sad to say ....but the Kennedy family has suffered too few losses.....

There are still a number of Kennedys wasting oxygen....

Semper Fi


7 posted on 06/02/2006 9:04:21 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: RWR8189

I did not read the whole article, but I'll read it later. I will say, though, that while I was volunteering out the Supervisor of Elections in Jacksonville, FL in November 2004 all I saw was:

Kerry thugs trying to tell us (BC-04 supporters) to get lost, to the extent of near-physical showdowns. Favorite quote, "Get outta here wit yo Bush*t!"

Attorneys from the NAACP who showed up to "document disenfranchisement," and if you can imagine them leaving quietly, they did. They did not find what they had HOPED for.

Corrine Brown was out there, amongst the voters, then got so close to the entrance of the polling place she might as well have gone in...maybe she did, I got bombarded and can't recall now. Volunteers had handed out "Corrine's Picks" so that voters, who they obviously think need to be spoon-fed, could vote her way. Her mere presence/talking danced close to that line of campaigning inside that boundary where no campaigning could occur.

Bottom line: The ONLY people who got disenfranchised or cheated at the polls at the Jacksonville Supervisor of Elections were Bush supporters. It was so bad that Bush-voters felt the need to whisper their appreciation for our presence with one lady even telling me when I offered her a bumper sticker, "If I put that thing on my car, my bumper would be trashed by tomorrow." And she was right.


8 posted on 06/02/2006 9:05:45 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: RWR8189

Bush won fair and square, even a left wing site like Salon agrees. Democrats need to stop bellyaching and face the facts, the American people rejected their nominee and their party. Get over it and stop whining willya?


9 posted on 06/02/2006 9:09:32 PM PDT by epow (The Lord is the strength of my life, of whom shall I be afraid?)
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To: KJC1

As I recall, Michael Moore had dispatched camera crews all over the place to document the "disenfranchisement." Haven't heard much about that since.


10 posted on 06/02/2006 9:12:05 PM PDT by JennysCool (Auxiliary Member of the Anaheim Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association)
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To: epow

The easiest way to lose the next election is to spend two years griping about the last one.


11 posted on 06/02/2006 9:13:10 PM PDT by JennysCool (Auxiliary Member of the Anaheim Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association)
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To: aflaak

ping


12 posted on 06/02/2006 9:25:29 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 (** Tagline Removed By Admin Moderator **)
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To: RWR8189

bttt


13 posted on 06/02/2006 9:26:03 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: RWR8189
I've always had a grudging respect for Joseph Kennedy Sr. and Rose. But each generation of Kennedys that follow after the patriarch seem to get increasingly dysfunctional and loony.
14 posted on 06/02/2006 9:30:21 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: JennysCool

Heh! I forgot about that. And Fatso has nothing to show for it either. God, I wish I had had a video camera to capture the abuse/intimidation, no exaggeration, that I witnessed at the hands of the Kerry Thugs. Now THAT would have made a great film.


15 posted on 06/02/2006 9:35:15 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: RWR8189

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Geez it sure would be nice to be rich enough to sit around and hire people to research some foolishness to fit my favorite conspiracy theory...

Hey, why doesn't he start asking who was behind Sirhan Sirhan and leave us all alone?


16 posted on 06/02/2006 9:35:30 PM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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To: RWR8189


Lefties lie? When did they start this?


17 posted on 06/02/2006 9:36:19 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Joe Kennedy was just as crappy as Teddy Carcrash


18 posted on 06/02/2006 9:37:01 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: mwfsu84
The lines at my polling place in Atlanta were so long that I waited five hours to vote.

Geez.. there was nobody in line at my precinct in downtown Cincinnati at 4pm... Then again, it was in Church, so maybe Democrat voters found that intimidating.

19 posted on 06/02/2006 9:43:23 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: RWR8189

I hope this is a glimpse of a waking up of the left but it probably isn't. Too many behave like spoiled children sucking their thumbs which are why they will yet again come in last in this next election. They may pick up a few seats but they are going to lose seats in places they think are secure. My biggest miscalculation on the series of recent events is how long it has taken for Saddam Hussein to be wrapped up but then again the final formation of the new Iraqi government is a pleasant though belated event. Also the immigration issue is tapping a lot of steam that the left was hoping would tip this election. The net result is that the public is not pleased with either party but it is clear the general public doesn't trust Democrats to better handle immigration or national security. This leaves the door open for the GOP if they can get their act together and quit sending mixed messages. They need to keep in mind one idea "Speak clearly and don't mince words!”.

The President has gotten himself into a series of doldrums trying to split the difference on immigration and other issues. He doesn't need to emphasize how valuable immigrants are, we all know that.
He also needs to spend a little more time defending our soldiers in the face of accusations. No one can blame him if they are found guilty but he should defend them till that point because they are OUR soldiers and should be given the benefit of the doubt in the face of a hateful enemy and circumstances that don't allow second guessing. That is where I'm disappointed with the President. I just don't think he gets it, the left and the international world isn't going to give him a break no matter what he does. He needs show a little unscripted passion where are soldiers and our interests are concerned. Letting himself get beaten up by cowards and liberal politicians is unbecoming and is frankly getting a little embarrassing to watch. I think he is doing better of late but I want to hear him speak like a leader not like a negoitator parsing words in an attempt to sway those who are the essence of rigidity.


20 posted on 06/02/2006 9:45:46 PM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (Intellectual honesty is the acceptance of what is regardless of the desirability of events.)
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To: RWR8189

Another psycho Kennedy cashing in on the Kennedy name. When are people going to wake up. It's time to get over "Camelot."


21 posted on 06/02/2006 9:49:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Lynch Mob.)
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To: RWR8189
interviewers assigned to talk to voters as they left the polls appeared to be slightly more inclined to seek out Kerry voters than Bush voters

This characteristic of polling hasn't changed.

22 posted on 06/02/2006 9:59:10 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: RWR8189

I'm sure some folks at Democratic Underground are now saying that Salon Magazine has been paid off by the Bush administration and is a part of the neocon network. DU is like the Three Stooges: amusing, but very predictable.


23 posted on 06/02/2006 10:03:28 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: hsalaw
interviewers assigned to talk to voters as they left the polls appeared to be slightly more inclined to seek out Kerry voters than Bush voters

That's also because they had to interview early to get the footage back and edited for the evening newscasts.

The Bush voters were still AT WORK.

24 posted on 06/02/2006 10:05:35 PM PDT by JennysCool (Auxiliary Member of the Anaheim Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association)
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To: COEXERJ145

That is really pathetic. Sometimes I feel sympathy to those delusional morons.


25 posted on 06/02/2006 10:09:34 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Kennedy contends that Kerry's vote totals in the presidential race should have exceeded Connally's in the Supreme Court race in these rural counties; you wouldn't expect a relatively unknown liberal to win more votes than a well-known moderate in a rural area.

Who the hell is the "well-known moderate"? Certainly not Kerry.

26 posted on 06/02/2006 10:13:17 PM PDT by alnick
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Kennedy...counts 30,000 voter registrations that were deleted from voter rolls, in keeping with state law, as mostly Kerry voters, though it's impossible to know if those were even real people.

In all fairness, if they weren't real people, then they were definately Kerry voters.

27 posted on 06/02/2006 10:18:23 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("a band of illiterate Indians." Che Guevara on Mexicans)
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To: RWR8189

bttt


28 posted on 06/02/2006 10:22:00 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (FreeRepublic and Rush Limbaugh: kevlar protection from the Drive-By Media.)
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To: RWR8189

But the exit polls showed that Kerry won!


29 posted on 06/02/2006 10:30:48 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport (As the Democrat Party becomes more evil, the GOP becomes more stupid. What's a voter to do?)
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To: epow
Get over it and stop whining willya?

I disagree. I think it is very important for the left to devote as much money and as many other resources as possible to carefully examine previous elections.

30 posted on 06/02/2006 10:32:15 PM PDT by TChad
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I was a presiding precinct judge in Toledo, Ohio in 2004. Yes, there were some very long lines at the polling stations. They were caused in part by the new optical scan voting machines that HAD to be used in the wake of the 2000 Florida debacle. The county had been using the same old manual "flick the lever next to your guy" machines for decades without incident, but because a few numbskulls iun FL couldn't correctly match a name to it's corresponding circle, we had to change to brand new technology that simply wound up confusing a number of people including those of us who were charged with manning the polling places.

Add in the surge of newly registered voters who went to the wrong polling place and random dumb dumbs who were trying to vote even though they weren't registered (they got a nifty provisional ballot anyway) and you have a recipe for chaos.

I will say this about my little corner of the world, Democrats and Republicans worked their butts off alongside each other to get the job done. Given the fact that all we had to work with was a 2 hour training class and 12 or so page manual (along with a cell phone to call the board of elections) we did a pretty damn good job.


31 posted on 06/02/2006 10:32:20 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: antioasis
Grow Up?

Most of the ones remaining are certainly the runts or dumb asses of the litter....

Several of which I certainly regard as wasters of oxygen and dangerous to the Republic...

You can worship the bastards, I won't...

Deal with it...

Semper Fi
33 posted on 06/02/2006 10:42:30 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: RWR8189

RJK has stature?


34 posted on 06/02/2006 10:45:32 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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This jimoko actually stood in front of people and claimed that Bush actually CAUSED the hurricanes...because he didn't sign into Kyoto.

These Kennedy's took their schooling in communism real seriously. "To be believed, make it a BIG lire and tell it often."

36 posted on 06/02/2006 10:52:02 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: JennysCool

I'm witchoo!


37 posted on 06/02/2006 11:04:50 PM PDT by karnage
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antioasis

Since Apr 6, 2006

Sigh. Just another disruptor.

38 posted on 06/02/2006 11:11:52 PM PDT by JennysCool (Auxiliary Member of the Anaheim Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association)
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A report by the Democratic Party released last year found "evidence of voter confusion, voter suppression, and negligence and incompetence of election officials."

Curiously, these were all Democrat voters and Democrat election officials in Democrat strongholds.

39 posted on 06/02/2006 11:18:05 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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There's a method to the DemocRAT's madness. This is about creating an issue to trash Kenneth Blackwell. They can't let a conservative black Republican win the Governor's race in Ohio. The DemocRATs can't have any of those "uppity coloreds" thinking they can get off the plantation.


40 posted on 06/02/2006 11:29:38 PM PDT by frankensnake
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To: TChad

I can see your point TChad, the more they foam at the mouth and rant and rave about stolen elections the more they show their true far leftist colors to the normal voters. I just get tired of seeing the same old ridiculous and thoroughly debunked crapola dragged over the coals time after time. But I'll get over it.


41 posted on 06/02/2006 11:33:02 PM PDT by epow (The Lord is the strength of my life, of whom shall I be afraid?)
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To: antioasis

Sure.


44 posted on 06/03/2006 12:05:39 AM PDT by JennysCool (Auxiliary Member of the Anaheim Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association)
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To: antioasis
If you so admire the Kenndy clan...
YOU go take a ride with Teddy....
YOU go hold "Patch's" hand at the drunk tank...
YOU buy the lies that RFK, Jr. is selling...
YOU carry the false flame of Camelot...

If YOU don't regard much of the Senate agenda of Ted Kennedy as dangerous to the Republic -- then you're uninformed, ignorant or a radical leftist extremist... Perhaps all three?

Now, go away little girl -- before you really step in it.

Semper Fi
45 posted on 06/03/2006 12:11:39 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: RWR8189

I can not believe that 44 posts into this thread no one has commented on the irony of a Kennedy whining about a stolen election. Some readers here should check out or remember what happened in Tx and particularly Illinois in the 1960 election.


46 posted on 06/03/2006 12:17:25 AM PDT by JLS
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Junior is certifiable.


47 posted on 06/03/2006 12:40:56 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

"Camel Poop a Lot."


48 posted on 06/03/2006 12:44:38 AM PDT by hdstmf
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To: antioasis

The Kennedy's are everything RiverRat says they are....corrupt to the core...a danger to the Republic...and plain old disgusting human beings.

And you are a troll.


49 posted on 06/03/2006 1:58:36 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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To: river rat

AMEN! Give em hell!


50 posted on 06/03/2006 2:09:14 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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