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Reversal of Earth's Magnetic Field-(Hey Algore read this)
Projects in Scientific Computing ^ | N/A | Gary Glatzmaier, Los Alamos National Laboratory

Posted on 06/03/2006 7:00:13 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude

Rush made mentioned this week of a core sample that showed evidence of tropical remains from an Arctic sample. Here are the results of a similar study done by a federally funded organization that claims this has been happening for........ever.

Simulated three-dimensional structure of Earth's magnetic field, with inward (blue) and outward (yellow) directed field lines. Field lines extend two Earth radii from the core. The location of the core-mantle boundary is evident where the structure becomes complex


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KEYWORDS: algore; algorewatchout; climatechange; godsgravesglyphs; magneticfield; magnetism; manbearpig; poleshift
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Magnetic Flip-Flops

Considering that ships, planes and Boy Scouts steer by it, Earth's magnetic field is less reliable than you'd think. Rocks in an ancient lava flow in Oregon suggest that for a brief erratic span about 16 million years ago magnetic north shifted as much as 6 degrees per day. After little more than a week, a compass needle would have pointed toward Mexico City.

The lava catches Earth's magnetic field in the act of reversing itself. Magnetic north heads south, and -- over about 1,000 years -- the field does a complete flip-flop. While the Oregon data is controversial, Earth scientists agree that the geological evidence as a whole -- the "paleomagnetic" record -- proves such reversals happened many times over the past billion years.

"Some reversals occurred within a few 10,000 years of each other," says Los Alamos scientist Gary Glatzmaier, "and there are other periods where no reversals occurred for tens of millions of years." How do these flip-flops happen, and why at such irregular intervals? The geological data, invaluable to show what happened, registers only a mute shrug when it comes to the deeper questions.

For that matter, why is it that instead of quietly fading away, as magnetic fields do when left to their own devices, Earth's magnetic field is still going strong after billions of years? Einstein is said to have considered it one of the most important unsolved problems in physics. With a year of computing on Pittsburgh's CRAY C90, 2,000 hours of processing, Glatzmaier and collaborator Paul Roberts of UCLA took a big step toward some answers. Their numerical model of the electromagnetic, fluid dynamical processes of Earth's interior reproduced key features of the magnetic field over more than 40,000 years of simulated time. To top it off, the computer-generated field reversed itself.

"We weren't expecting it," says Roberts, "and were delighted. This gives us confidence we've built a credible bridge between theory and the paleomagnetic data." Their surprising results, reported as a cover story in Nature (Sept. 21, 1995), provide an inner-Earth view of geomagnetic phenomena that have not been observed or anticipated by theory. Furthermore, the Glatzmaier-Roberts model offers, for the first time, a coherent explanation of magnetic field reversal.

Journey to the Center of the Earth

Roughly speaking, Earth is like a chocolate-covered cherry -- layered, with liquid beneath the surface and a solid inner core. Beneath the planet's relatively thin crust is a thick, solid layer called the mantle. Between the mantle and the inner core is a fluid layer, the outer core. According to generally accepted theory -- the dynamo theory -- interactions between the churning, twisting flow of molten material in the outer core and the magnetic field generate electrical current that, in turn, creates new magnetic energy that sustains the field. "The typical lifetime of a magnetic field like Earth's," says Glatzmaier, "is several tens of thousands of years. The fact that it's existed for billions of years means something must be regenerating it all the time."

How do we know if the dynamo theory is right? To the consternation of our desire to understand what's happening inside the planet we live on, Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth is still fiction. There's no way to penetrate 4,000 miles to Earth's center, nor to monitor fluid motions or magnetism in the outer core.

The Glatzmaier-Roberts computational model may be the next best thing to a guided tour of inner Earth. While other models have given good clues that theory is on track, they have been limited by a two-dimensional approach that required simplifying assumptions. Roberts and Glatzmaier set out to implement a fully three-dimensional model, based on a computer program Glatzmaier developed over many years, that would allow the complex feedbacks between fluid motion and the magnetic field to evolve on their own -- in other words, to be solved "self consistently."

Many more links and animated clips here

1 posted on 06/03/2006 7:00:14 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude
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To: ThreePuttinDude

If I understand my NOVA specials correctly, the big worry is what happens during the relatively short time the Magnetosphere is in flux during a reversal. Does it leave us unprotected from the deadly charged particles from outer space?

Either way, the theory did help give rise to the most hilariously bad sci-fi flick of recent years "The Core" (www.imdb.com/title/tt0298814) with a surprisingly stellar cast at that.


2 posted on 06/03/2006 7:07:40 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: All

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0825_050825_earthcore.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html


3 posted on 06/03/2006 7:18:40 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
The lava catches Earth's magnetic field in the act of reversing itself. Magnetic north heads south, and -- over about 1,000 years -- the field does a complete flip-flop.

What bullshit. Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved. By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea.

4 posted on 06/03/2006 7:27:45 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

5 posted on 06/03/2006 7:33:01 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: Salamander

You might take it as Impending doom, I look at is as
another confirmation that WE have nothing to do with
what happens in the Global Warming issue.

This planet is constantly changing, and this is just another
example of how we can do nothing to stop its move forward.


6 posted on 06/03/2006 7:42:18 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()....tag line under consideration...... ()
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To: sinanju
The "hilariously bad sci-fi flick 'The Core'" as you call it was a surprisingly entertaining movie. The better half and I enjoyed it.
7 posted on 06/03/2006 7:43:04 AM PDT by Abogado (The great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances, as though they are realities.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Not exactly global warming but I thought you might be interested-ping


8 posted on 06/03/2006 7:43:20 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
"... the United Nations Security Council, in response to a resurgent Magneto, voted to activate the "Magneto Protocols" - a satellite network; in slightly lower orbit than Avalon, which skewed the Earth's magnetic field enough to prevent Magneto from using his powers within, preventing him from returning to the planet's surface. In response to the activation, Magneto generated a massive electromagnetic pulse not only destroying the satellites, but deactivating every electrically powered device on Earth within eleven minutes. The X-Men responded by hacking into Avalon's own computer systems to teleport a small team to the station with the aid of Colossus (who had joined Magneto as one of Magneto's Acolytes). There the X-Men engaged Magneto in battle. Finally, Wolverine launched a killing strike which led Magneto to respond by ripping the adamantium from Wolverine's bones. This act of self-defense enraged Xavier to the point where he mindwiped his former friend leaving him comatose, an action which later led to the creation of Onslaught.

Magneto then remained in this state on Avalon worshipped by his Acolytes..."

Erik Magnus Lehnsherr

9 posted on 06/03/2006 7:49:40 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: pabianice
What bullshit. Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved. By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea.

The article didn't say it was happening today. It was referring to what happens during a reversal.

10 posted on 06/03/2006 7:49:53 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: pabianice
By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea.

Read the article again. It doesn't say the field reverses every thousand years. It says the reversal takes a thousand years to complete.

11 posted on 06/03/2006 7:51:48 AM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: metmom

Impending doom inded....when the Van Allen belts collapse we will all be fried by intense solar radiation.....enjoy the sun-tan.


12 posted on 06/03/2006 7:51:56 AM PDT by spokeshave (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy)
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To: Dog Gone

GMTA.


13 posted on 06/03/2006 7:52:24 AM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

more info

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631688/posts


14 posted on 06/03/2006 7:52:27 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: pabianice
What bullshit. Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved. By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea.

Guess you missed this. "The typical lifetime of a magnetic field like Earth's," says Glatzmaier, "is several tens of thousands of years. The fact that it's existed for billions of years means something must be regenerating it all the time."

15 posted on 06/03/2006 7:53:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I would rather be an Iraqi in a Hidatha guarded by Marines, then a subject of Al-Qeda anywhere.)
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To: pabianice

RIF


16 posted on 06/03/2006 7:54:18 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
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To: Steve0113

I'll bet he feels spanked now! ;-)


17 posted on 06/03/2006 7:54:35 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: ThreePuttinDude

 

I knew it all along.

18 posted on 06/03/2006 7:56:25 AM PDT by Fintan (One day we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.)
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To: neverdem

ping


19 posted on 06/03/2006 7:57:12 AM PDT by GOPJ ("What we have learned from history is that we haven't learned from history." B.Disraeli)
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To: Fintan

LOL, thats great

20 posted on 06/03/2006 7:58:24 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()....tag line under consideration...... ()
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To: pabianice

>>What bullshit. Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved. By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea.<<

This is established science that the poles reverse. The frequency is in debate.


21 posted on 06/03/2006 7:59:07 AM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: pabianice
What bullshit. Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved. By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea.

My reaction too. We do have to correct Magnetic North to True North (and visa versa), and the correction factor changes enough so that charts don't print the correction factor on them lest they become obsolete. So the field is changing, but massive projections as to when the field will reverse, when the change seems slow, irregular, and un-uniform seems unwise.

22 posted on 06/03/2006 8:00:27 AM PDT by RhoTheta (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't prepare properly.)
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To: spokeshave
Impending doom inded....when the Van Allen belts collapse we will all be fried by intense solar radiation.....enjoy the sun-tan.

Well, according to the medical profession, we'll all be OK if we just use enough sunscreen. SPF 45,000?

23 posted on 06/03/2006 8:01:35 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RhoTheta

See posts 10 and 11.


24 posted on 06/03/2006 8:09:52 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: pabianice
Nope. This is a real theory. that's why there is a TRUE north and MAGNTEIC north. It's called the Angle of Declination, and it most DEFINATELY changes.


From : http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm

"Scientists have long known that the magnetic pole moves. James Ross located the pole for the first time in 1831 after an exhausting arctic journey during which his ship got stuck in the ice for four years. No one returned until the next century. In 1904, Roald Amundsen found the pole again and discovered that it had moved--at least 50 km since the days of Ross.


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The pole kept going during the 20th century, north at an average speed of 10 km per year, lately accelerating "to 40 km per year," says Newitt. At this rate it will exit North America and reach Siberia in a few decades.

Keeping track of the north magnetic pole is Newitt's job. "We usually go out and check its location once every few years," he says. "We'll have to make more trips now that it is moving so quickly."

Earth's magnetic field is changing in other ways, too: Compass needles in Africa, for instance, are drifting about 1 degree per decade. And globally the magnetic field has weakened 10% since the 19th century. When this was mentioned by researchers at a recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, many newspapers carried the story. A typical headline: "Is Earth's magnetic field collapsing?"

Probably not. As remarkable as these changes sound, "they're mild compared to what Earth's magnetic field has done in the past," says University of California professor Gary Glatzmaier.

Sometimes the field completely flips. The north and the south poles swap places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Are we overdue for another? No one knows. "

The magnetic pole is shifting all the time. For my location, in Oregon it is : Declination = 17° 7' E changing by 0° 9' W/year. From the site : http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/geomag/jsp/struts/calcDeclination
The Field DOES flip. It will happen again. We just have no idea of when it will happen again.
25 posted on 06/03/2006 8:14:35 AM PDT by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: spokeshave
"Impending doom inded....when the Van Allen belts collapse
we will all be fried by intense solar radiation.....enjoy the sun-tan"

Calling Admiral Nelson!!!

26 posted on 06/03/2006 8:14:38 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Maybe if Michael Moore moved to Tierra Del Fuego, this 1200 year thing would speed up?


27 posted on 06/03/2006 8:20:12 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: pabianice

The compass needle was in use during the Trojan war.


28 posted on 06/03/2006 8:21:39 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: sinanju

I believe during a reversal, worldwide you'd expect eventually several hundred thousand additional human deaths from cancer.

In the grand scheme of things, irrelevant, out of 5 billion people, though it obviously sucks if you're one of the unfortunate several hundred thousand.


There's no evidence of any animals...reptiles, birds, mammals...having mass die-offs during past reversals.


29 posted on 06/03/2006 8:24:01 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ThreePuttinDude

It's that Karl Rove at it again!!


30 posted on 06/03/2006 9:01:08 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

That was a sarcastic joke.

I always post that pic on junk science/apocalyptic hysteria threads....:)


31 posted on 06/03/2006 9:12:35 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: metmom

"Well, according to the medical profession, we'll all be OK if we just use enough sunscreen. SPF 45,000?"

Oh God.
I'm gonna *really* freckle when it happens.


32 posted on 06/03/2006 9:16:15 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
To the consternation of our desire to understand what's happening inside the planet we live on, Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth is still fiction. There's no way to penetrate 4,000 miles to Earth's center, nor to monitor fluid motions or magnetism in the outer core.


33 posted on 06/03/2006 9:21:03 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: metmom
Well, according to the medical profession, we'll all be OK if we just use enough sunscreen. SPF 45,000?

I'm just planning to stay inside for the rest of my life.

34 posted on 06/03/2006 9:29:07 AM PDT by mhx
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To: ThreePuttinDude
How do we know if the dynamo theory is right?

Earth's mag field is produced by the atmosphere.

35 posted on 06/03/2006 9:29:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Danae

This was the post I was looking for. I was trying to explain this to a guy who said "They have no way to prove the earth is more than 6000 years old." Actually, they do. Thank you so much for posting it.


36 posted on 06/03/2006 9:31:48 AM PDT by Excellence (Since November 6, 1998)
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To: ThreePuttinDude; SunkenCiv

Bump for later reading. Ping for possible GGG List


37 posted on 06/03/2006 9:39:27 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Greystone, I'll miss you (5-12-2001 - 4-15-2006) RIP little buddy.)
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To: pabianice

BS yourself. The long-term changes in magnetic north have been well-documented for decades. Magnetic north is changing as we speak -- just compare some old aeronautical charts with the new versions.


38 posted on 06/03/2006 9:40:14 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: ThreePuttinDude

A year or so ago, PBS ran a very compelling special on the magnetic pole shift, how it happens, how possibilities increase....all with full-color charts and graphs and a very impressive retinue of bigtime scientists at various bigtime universities. I'll see if I cna find a link.


39 posted on 06/03/2006 9:44:24 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: pabianice
Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved.

Magnaetic declination is a phrase familiar to anyone depending on a magnetic compass for route finding or surveying before the advent of GPS. It's the difference between magnetic north and true north. It varies with location and time.

The declination as well as rate of change at point of use needs to be known to get an accurate direction of geographic north. The rate of change may also change. A straightforward explanation with examples can be found here if you're interested.

For more exotic possibilities of "North", see here, here, and here .
40 posted on 06/03/2006 9:46:01 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: ThreePuttinDude
........Which proves that Al Gore's remainig brain cell is gonna be sucked out of his left ear!
41 posted on 06/03/2006 9:47:32 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: caveat emptor

Those are great links.


Thanks....:)


42 posted on 06/03/2006 9:51:52 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
As this time line shows, our planet's magnetic shield
has reversed its direction hundreds of times.

Go here to see the PBS Nova "Magnetic Storm" information http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/magnetic/


43 posted on 06/03/2006 10:00:35 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: beethovenfan

The Bush-Rove Magnetic Pole Reverser is almost ready for its first test.


44 posted on 06/03/2006 10:02:04 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Every person has a photographic memory - but some don't have their flash card installed.)
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To: pabianice

"What bullshit. Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved. By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea."

Do you have a clue as to where the magnetic North Pole is today? Barely moved? Google the subject.


45 posted on 06/03/2006 10:28:21 AM PDT by lawdude (Murtha: SPEAK LIES TO THE WEAK!)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
Considering that ships, planes and Boy Scouts steer by it, Earth's magnetic field is less reliable than you'd think.

The last magnetic shift occurred long before there were Boy Scouts and planes.

Considering that planes and Boy Scouts steer by it, that's very reliable.

46 posted on 06/03/2006 10:34:34 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: ThreePuttinDude

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47 posted on 06/03/2006 10:35:34 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: pabianice
What bullshit. Magnetic compasses have been in use for 600 years and in that time the Earth's magnetic north pole has barely moved. By this "reasoning," magnetic north would have by now moved to Korea.

600 years in geologic time is short.

The geoligical record is clear. Magnetic reversals have occurred numerous times over geological time.

48 posted on 06/03/2006 10:38:08 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: caveat emptor
Magnaetic declination is a phrase familiar to anyone depending on a magnetic compass for route finding or surveying before the advent of GPS. It's the difference between magnetic north and true north. It varies with location and time.

Sorry, no. The difference between magnetic and true is magnetic variation, not declination. Declination is the term used to describe the angle above the horizon of a celestial body. The difference beyween a mag heading and a compass heading is deviation. Thus: "Timid virgins make dull companions at weddings" -- or: True - add variation - mag - add deviation -- compass -- add west variation (and subtract east).

49 posted on 06/03/2006 10:46:21 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: expatpat
BS yourself. The long-term changes in magnetic north have been well-documented for decades. Magnetic north is changing as we speak -- just compare some old aeronautical charts with the new versions.

But the poles hardly reverse every 1,000 years as the article states. Sorry. Still wrong.

50 posted on 06/03/2006 10:47:38 AM PDT by pabianice
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