Skip to comments.Haditha Child: I Knew of Bomb Plot to Kill Marines
Posted on 06/03/2006 8:26:22 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax
A 12-year old survivor of the alleged massacre of innocent civilians by U.S. Marines patrolling Haditha has admitted she had prior knowledge of the plot to detonate an IED as their convoy was passing by her house on the morning of Nov. 19, 2005.
In a CNN interview broadcast Wednesday, Safa Younis - who says eight members of her family were killed by U.S. troops - recalled that she was getting ready for school as the Marine Humvee approached.
"I was planning to go to school. I was about to go out of bed. I knew the bomb would explode so I covered my ears," the youngster said, according to a CNN translator.
"The bomb [then] exploded," she explained. "The bomb struck an armored vehicle. I don't know if it was a Humvee or an armored vehicle. When the bomb exploded, they came straight to my house."
Younis complained that after the bombing killed Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, his fellow Marines broke down the front door of her house.
"The American forces entered the house and started shooting with their guns. They killed my mother and my sister Nour. They killed her when she shot her in the head. She was only 15 years old. My other sister was shot with seven bullets in the head and she was only 10 years old."
The Haditha co-conspirator continued:
"And my brother Muhammad was hiding under the bed when the U.S. military hit him with the butt of the gun and the started shooting him under the bed. The U.S. military then shot me and I was showered in blood. We couldn't leave the house because the U.S. military surrounded the area with a large number of soldiers."
Younis said she survived by pretending to be dead.
But the "innocent" Haditha 12-year-old failed to give any further details about which other family members knew about the bomb plot. Or whether one of her relatives had detonated the blast.
True that cardinal4!
You're going to cite a movie to me as an authority?
Were not the Iraqi bodies (results of the evil of Saddam and his henchmen) in mass graves in Iraq exhumed?
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Watch the video here.
Video on lower right hand side of the screen. Called "Haditha Uncovered.
Perhaps someone can explain to me the logical and factual flaws in the "Iraqi Civilian Right Groups" "story. How can these facts be logically reconciled with what the Iraqis, and some supposed Freepers, are accusing the Marines of doing?
To Quote Time:
"According to published reports, a number of Marines from the storied 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division are accused killing more than 20 Iraqi civilians in retaliation for the death of one of their comrades by a roadside bomb in November, 2005."
Okie, 20 Dead Civilians. Which we are told were all shot thus supposedly proving "the Marines falsified the original report". So what could just be an honest mistake between a Marine's assumption on the spot of cause of death in his After Action Report (We didn't fire up the building, they were dead, must of been the bomb shrapnel) with a medical examiners report filed after a autopsies is NOW claimed by the accusers as"proof" that the "Marines Lied".
Ok so the accusation is they were all shot to death at short range in a building that had not been penetrated by any rounds from outside. No bullet holes in the building, must mean it was not Collateral Damage but a deliberate act is the accusers claims. In other words the accusers claim the Marines shot to death the Iraqis inside the building as a deliberate act not an accident of war. In fact, Some are running around claiming a shrapnel wound is so obviously different that a Combat Infantry Marine would know the difference between the two. Leave aside the obviously question why would Infantry Marine would be examining the wounds of dead Civilians, lets assume, that is correct.
Ok, then how come the "survivors" as interviewed for CNN by the "Iraqi Civil Rights group" are making such obviously absurd claims on the video?
"They burned the room with my father in it then threw a bomb"? Neat trick that. How they "Burn the room"? We don't use flame throwers. "Threw a bomb" but the accusers are telling us it all gun shot wounds. "a Bomb" inflict shrapnel wounds.
Notice also the mannerism of the "children survivors". Having come thru what would of been the most terrifying event of their lives and being forced to talk about it again, yet the kids show no hesitation or emotion. Just a dull recital of supposed "Facts" as if they were reciting a story as an memorization assignment in School. Very strange that. Absolutely no real emotion, just a breathless recital of "Facts" Then when done speaking look over to the person standing to the right of the camera (You can see his shadow behind the kids). Sure looks like kids looking at a teacher to see how they did in reciting their "lesson"
Then there is the part where the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" filming the kids told the Iraqi boy to "show his wounds". It must not of occurred to the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" making the video to consider the Iraqi boy's supposed "wound". Apparently no one bothered to think about where he was "shot". The supposed "wound" supposedly inflicted by US Marines at point blank range, (as claimed by the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group)" is directly over his spine. Yet when told he got up and turned around for the camera to "Show his wounds"?
If he HAD been shot there, he would be crippled for life, his spine severed just below the neck. So all this is being based on the claims of an "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" which are demonstrated to be lying. Since they lied about this, what ELSE might they have lied about? So maybe some one can explain these inconsistencies in the "witnesses" testimony? Some "Americans", especially in the Junk Media, maybe want to rethink their rush to judgment on these Marines
Why did they go straight to HER house? Was it the only house in the area?
I'm praying that the Marines in question won't be thrown under the bus by the politicos who are trying to score points for their efforts.
It just strikes me as odd how she referred to them as an 'armored vehicle' and a 'humvee'. If she had said a 'tank' or a 'truck', fine...but the terms she used are very precise for a 12 year old Iraqi girl.
No apologies required. I just respond when I see my name. 8)
If this is true, it is no reason to kill children. Still, being in the situation is different from discussing it from our safe comfortable homes. I can see the other side. How some marines could have "lost it" in the heat of the passion. Sad all around.
If they did do this, it was wrong. But it was more wrong for the adults of this household to put their children and other family members at such risk. At the very least, they should have moved family out of harm's way if they are going to be war participants. You don't go to war hiding behind your children.
1. Everyone agrees this started with an IED explosion crippling a US vehicle.
2. There is no doubt that the IED attack killed one of our troops and wounded at least one other.
3. There are reports of a firefight.
4. There are reports of dead civilians.
We all agree on the facts.
The key part about the IED killing one American, and rendering the other American soldier on conscious is that this is the moment of enemy contact. When contact with the enemy is made, the rest of the team have an obligation to fight through the ambush and secure the bodies of the wounded and dead. This is no small thing. One of our guys, in an interview by a NBC affiliate recalls the IED going off, his driver being killed, and he woke up in the hospital 24 hours later, thanks to the rest of his team.
When 2 members of your team have been rendered combat ineffective by enemy contact, 1 wounded, the other dead, the rest of the team are obligated to go lethal.
In the weeks and months ahead, many people will attempt to over look these facts, and we should not let them.
The IED was the Atrocity, and that's the reality.
The plot thickens...
This statement by the "witness" raises all sorts of doubts about the credibility of the Murtha-jihadist propaganda version of the story, as you well know. If a 12 year old knew about the IED then others in the house surely did, too. Were some of her family members involved, or did they 'merely' see the jihadists setting up the IED? They knew a 500 lb. bomb was going to go off in front of their house and they did not flee the area?????? Anyone would know that all hell would break loose after the explosion, with a likely firefight and home searches, etc. Either the family was being kept their against their will in order to become victims, or else they were part of the plot. This all smells like a jihadist agit-prop set-up.
Now if this were a 5 or 6 year old I could understand the confusion but a child of this age would KNOW which family member fell on her, would KNOW whether she was in the bathroom, kitchen or living room, would KNOW and thus have stated from the beginning that her sister was shot in the head 7 times (rather interesting she only now remembers this event in enough detail to count the number of shots but can't seem to remember WHO, if anyone, fell on her and saved her life).
I don't expect anyone to remember these kinds of traumatic events perfectly, but PLEASE, there's just NO WAY her story would change this much. That ANYONE would believe the (CHANGING) story of a girl, a "doctor" & "photographer" (both held by US as terrorist sympathizers or worse, thus having a grudge) and the MSM over a Marine is just astounding. So tell me, just what is it that makes you inclined to believe these Marines are coldblooded killers of innocent Iraqi's? I seen a ton of information posted that certainly casts doubt on the veracity of the Hadithan's version of events, but little that supports it. So just what "facts" make you believe the stories in the press? Where's your "proof" of a slaughter? Time for you to put up.
Q: What's worse than a lying lawyer?
A: A lying Baath-jihadist scumbag of a lawyer.
If the civilians become willing part of the cover and concealment of the enemy, they thereby become active combatants. In Viet Nam we had children ride bicycles with backpacks full of explosives (satchel bombs) so the could get close enough to the GI's to throw in a tent or something like that. What the left dosen't understand is that you can't fight a gorilla force with conventional methods and rules of engagement.
"You don't go to war hiding behind your children."
They do! They'll just get another "wife/slave" and make some more. No big deal!
There is no evidence yet released that anyone was slaughtered.
In fact, they will not even have bodies, if you believe this morning's news. The family will not permit them to be exhumed.
Let's determine: (1) That these GI's actually killed someone, and (2) That there was no battlefield explanation that mitigates the killing.
I disagree. Translation or not, I dont buy the reptitve use of the the term "US Military". Nor do I buy the childs knowledge of US Military vehicles. It was coached. This whole story is starting to stink..
A simpler explanation is that after the IED blast, the Marines took fire from the house, and/or those nearby. IIRC, that's more or less what they reported.
I wouldn't put much store in the "quotations" since it's unlikely she spoke in English. The translator may not have been of the highest quality. There are only so many English speakers to go around, and this reporter may have gotten stuck with a real dufus. Plus the possibility that the translator, like the original reporter, and the doctor who signed the death certificates, is in thrall to the terrorists, or is one of them.
I found this article from October 7, 2005 via CNN. It was written by Arwa Damon, the CNN reporter who spoke out on behalf of the soldiers in Haditha. Read this and tell me if the civilians in the city of Haditha are just innocent bystanders...
The REAL Haditha -
Not because of the technology of the device used to set it off, except that it's not one used in a regular military mine. Rather because in absence of some sort of vehicle detection device (like a pressure detonator or magnetic influence detonator) the person pushing the button, or throwing the switch (It could be a wired system) must have a line of sight to the device, so that he or she can know when to set it off.
This is the first house. The one the shots on the Marines came from when after the bomb went off. The terrorists retreated before the Marines got there.
No, but about one could tell would be the caliber of weapon used. You could probably tell the difference between 5.56 and 5.54 mm rounds, but maybe not. But most Iraqi AKs are chambered for the older 7.62x39 round, and that could be distinguished. Of course nothing says the Jihadies don't have a few M-16s or AR-15s, captured, bought on the open market, or gotten as a gift from the Palistinians, who use them routinely, thanks to the Impeached One.
You can't match centerfire rifle bullets to the individual weapon nearly as easily as with pistol bullets.
Maybe not even soldiers...I could hear her just saying "Americans"...
This is a VERY coached child...
I would also hear her describing the vehicle that was blown up by the IED, a "truck"..which is probably what I would call it...if called upon to just tell what I saw or knew about.
Amen brother. Most of them don't seem to have the proper equipment tween thier legs.
Maybe not, nothing says the Jihadies might not have a few M-16s or AR-15s (or anything else that fires the 5.56 NATO round), and it's very difficult to match high speed rifle bullets to the weapon which fired them, as can usually be done with pistol bullets.
The more I read about this the more I don't believe it.....I just can't believe that these Marines would shoot women and children in the head several times....no one can convince me of this...
She is only 12 years old and should not be called a co-conspirator. She is a victim of the whims of the male adult relatives that conspired to kill our boys. The fault should be laid at her relative's feet.
Q. How do you know when an Arab is lying?
A. His lips are moving!
Thanks for posting. I think the civilians may have been duped into acting on behalf of the terrorists. This story has gotten more legs than any car bomb set off. Maybe AQ has discovered a new tactic?
I hope there is some reason for the killing. Did the Marines have reason to suspect that someone in the house was about to set off another explosion inside the house?
I think I said that the first time I posted on a thread about this...and I have read more to convince me I am RIGHT...than to convince me these Marines are guilty.
Ironically, I was just watching a discussion of this on Newswatch on Fox News...and Eric Burns, the moderator made this "final comment" ..
He said that these "type" of situations are more likely to be "shown" to have happened because of the this NEW one...and he mentioned the one that came up yesterday in the news where the American troops were found INNOCENT!!!
I know they film this show on Friday...but, I find it funny that Burns uses that incident as proof that the Americans were guilty of more than Haditha....LOL
That's true in a court of law. However, not true in the court of world opinion.
It sucks! I know, but beleive me, I'm on your side.
Reported US Military Deaths in Haditha, Iraq (notice that no US Military deaths have been reported since the cold blooded murder of US Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas on Nov 19, 2005)
Apr 3, 2003 Haditha
US Captain Russell Brian Rippetoe SW of Haditha Dam - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomber US Specialist Ryan Patrick Long SW of Haditha Dam - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomber US Staff Sergeant Nino Dugue Livaudais SW of Haditha Dam - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomber
May 26, 2003 Haditha
US Major Matthew E. Schram Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire
Nov. 29, 2003 Haditha
US Staff Sergeant Stephen A. Bertolino Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - ambush US Specialist Aaron J. Sissel Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - ambush
US Sergeant Jesse W. Strong Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack US Lance Corporal Karl R. Linn Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack US Corporal Jonathan W. Bowling Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack
May 7, 2005 Haditha
US Sergeant Michael A. Marzano Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - suicide car bomb US Sergeant Aaron N. Cepeda Sr. Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - suicide car bomb US Lance Corporal Lance Tanner Graham Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - suicide car bomb US Petty Officer 3rd Class Jeffery L. Wiener Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - suicide car bomb
May 25,2005 Haditha
US Sergeant David Neil Wimberg Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire
May 26,2005 Haditha
US Major Ricardo A. Crocker Hadithah - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - RPG attack
Aug 1, 2005 Haditha
US Lance Corporal Roger D. Castleberry Jr. Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire US Sergeant David J. Coullard Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire US Lance Corporal Daniel Nathan Deyarmin Jr. Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire US Corporal Jeffrey A. Boskovitch Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire US Lance Corporal Brian P. Montgomery Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire US Sergeant Nathaniel S. Rock Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire
Aug 3, 2005 Haditha
US Lance Corporal Adam J. Strain Ramadi - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire US Specialist Mathew V. Gibbs Baghdad (southwest part) Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb US Sergeant 1st Class Charles Houghton Warren Baghdad (southwest part) Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb US Specialist Jerry Lewis Ganey Jr. Baghdad (southwest part) Hostile - hostile fire - car bomb US Lance Corporal Nicholas William B. Bloem Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Corporal David S. Stewart Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Sergeant Bradley J. Harper Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Kevin G. Waruinge Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Grant B. Fraser Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Sergeant Justin F. Hoffman Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Eric J. Bernholtz Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Aaron H. Reed Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Corporal David Kenneth J. Kreuter Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal William Brett Wightman Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Christopher Jenkins Dyer Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Michael J. Cifuentes Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Timothy Michael Bell Jr. Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack US Lance Corporal Edward August Schroeder II Haditha (2 km S of) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
Nov. 16, 2005 Haditha
US Sergeant Jeremy E. Murray Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
Nov 19, 2006 Haditha
US Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas Haditha (near) - Anbar Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
This story stinks. Im watching local STL news, who usually is gleeful about reporting badly on Iraq. 13 minutes into the news cycle, no mention of anything related to Iraq. Except one-Sgt. Amanda Pinson, who was killed in Balad in March. The story was about a plaque that was placed in her honor at her former High School. When KSDK wont lead with the story, much less comment on it, it makes me wonder why the AP is all over it. I will no longer "wait for the outcome of the investigation". I dont believe it at all..
Jihadies do. In Israel, in Iraq, and in other places as well. It's apparently a Muslim thing, or at least an Arab Muslim thing. (Arabs being the prototype Muslims).
I say no one should draw conclusions from this until all the facts are in. It's innocent until proven guilty - not the reverse. If you've ever been a juror, you'd know how important that is.
the entire town of 70,000 is guilty , Murtha should be flown in to oversee negotiations, then the troops withdrawn then entire town should be carpet bombed including Murtha and announced as a big "oops!!" like Clinton did after the Kosovo oopsies
I can't believe this is even happening
Who cares if civilians were casualties???? I mean really, who cares???? If we'd been leveling neighborhoods where these terrorists operate out of from the beginning, our troops would be home and taking care of the borders.
Collateral damage....it's just part of getting the job done.
With their American advisers, Iraqi Special Forces searched a three-house compound behind the mosque and detained three individuals -- two elderly men who work at the mosque and a younger man, a relative. All pleaded their innocence.
"All we do here is turn on the call to prayer. If I had seen this here, I would have reported it," one man said. "We hate death, we are pained by it. I wouldn't even hurt an ant." He suggested men had come at night and buried the explosives.
After more questioning, the man said they were told "not to come to the shrine anymore." Pressed on who "they" were, he claimed not to know, saying they were people who frequented the mosque. Marines detained the three for questioning.