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The War On Fathers (On 'feminization of America' + harm to men, boys, families)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 6/2/06 | WND Editors

Posted on 06/03/2006 8:35:44 AM PDT by ProCivitas

WHISTLEBLOWER MAGAZINE THE WAR ON FATHERS How the 'feminization of America' destroys boys, men – and women ----------------------- Posted: June 2, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

In honor of Fathers Day, the June edition of Whistleblower magazine is a mega-eye-opener exploring one of the most crucial but little-reported phenomena of modern America – what WND calls "THE WAR ON FATHERS."

The evidence of this almost unthinkable scenario is everywhere:

SCHOOL: In public school classrooms across America, in every category and every demographic group, boys are falling behind. Girls excel and move on to college, where three out of five students are female, while young boys – who don't naturally thrive when forced to sit still at a desk for six hours a day – are diagnosed by the millions with new diseases that didn't exist a generation ago. To make their behavior more acceptable, they are compelled to take hazardous psycho-stimulant drugs like Ritalin.

Boys are more than 50 percent more likely to repeat elementary school grades than girls, a third more likely to drop out of high school and twice as likely to have a "learning disability." And the suicide rate among teen boys is far higher than that of girls.

"What we have done," explains Thomas Mortenson, senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education, "is we have a K-12 school system that seems to work relatively well for girls and does not work for a very large share of boys."

HOME: It's well known that roughly half of America's marriages end in divorce, but not nearly as well known that two out of three of those divorces are initiated by the wives. Moreover, America's family court system is scandalously biased in favor of the mother in child custody disputes. Fathers get custody of children in uncontested cases only 10 percent of the time and 15 percent of the time in contested cases. Meanwhile, mothers get sole custody 66 percent of the time in uncontested cases and 75 percent of the time in contested cases.

"Where you have minor children, there's really no such thing as no-fault divorce for fathers," says Detroit attorney Philip Holman, vice president of the National Congress for Fathers and Children. "On the practical level, fathers realize that divorce means they lose their kids."

Unfortunately, this loss by children of their fathers' influence is directly responsible – far more than any other cause – for the modern national scourges of gang life, crime and much more.

CULTURE: Fifty years ago, "Father knows best" was a hit TV show, in which insurance agent Jim Anderson (actor Robert Young) would come home from work each evening, trade his sport jacket for a nice, comfortable sweater, and then deal with the everyday growing-up problems of his family. He could always be counted on to resolve that week's crisis with a combination of kindness, fatherly strength and common sense.

Today, television virtually always portrays husbands as bumbling losers or contemptible, self-absorbed egomaniacs. Whether in dramas, comedies or commercials, the patriarchy is dead, at least on TV where men are fools – unless of course they're gay. On "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," the "fab five" are supremely knowledgeable on all things hip, their life's highest purpose being to help those less fortunate than themselves – that is, straight men – to become cool.

As this issue of Whistleblower shows, experts like Ph.D. scholar Christina Hoff Sommers, author of "The War Against Boys," agree: "It's a bad time to be a boy in America." Sommers provides example after example of what can only be called an all-out anti-male campaign:

"The carnage committed by two boys in Littleton, Colorado," declares the Congressional Quarterly Researcher, "has forced the nation to reexamine the nature of boyhood in America." William Pollack, director of the Center for Men at McLean Hospital and author of the best-selling "Real Boys: Rescuing Our Sons from the Myths of Boyhood," tells audiences around the country, "The boys in Littleton are the tip of the iceberg. And the iceberg is all boys." In fact, Sommers reveals, it has become fashionable in elitist circles to conspire to change boys' very identity:

There are now conferences, workshops, and institutes dedicated to transforming boys. Carol Gilligan, professor of gender studies at Harvard Graduate School of Education, writes of the problem of "boys' masculinity … in a patriarchal social order." Barney Brawer, director of the Boys' Project at Tufts University, told Education Week: "We've deconstructed the old version of manhood, but we've not [yet] constructed a new version." In the spring of 2000, the Boys' Project at Tufts offered five workshops on "reinventing Boyhood." The planners promised emotionally exciting sessions: "We'll laugh and cry, argue and agree, reclaim and sustain the best parts of the culture of boys and men, while figuring out how to change the terrible parts." "Terrible"? As this edition of Whistleblower shows, there is nothing wrong – and a very great deal right – with boys and masculinity. As maverick feminist Camille Paglia courageously reminds her men-hating colleagues, masculinity is "the most creative cultural force in history."

"The problem," said David Kupelian, managing editor of WND and Whistleblower, "is that misguided feminists, intent on advancing a radically different worldview than the one on which this nation was founded, have succeeded in fomenting a revolution. And that revolution amounts to a powerful and pervasive campaign against masculinity, maleness, boys, men and patriarchy."

Issue highlights include:

"Banning 'mom' and 'dad,'" by Joseph Farah, who exposes the latest in bizarre and dangerous legislation by the California legislature.

"The fathers' war" by Stephen Baskerville, a troubling look at how increasing numbers of America's military men risk all to serve their nation in wartime, only to be divorced by their wives and lose their children.

"What's really behind the 'feminization' of America," by David Kupelian, an in-depth exploration of the war on men and boys.

"Has the bias pendulum swung against men?" Fewer college-bound, higher suicide rates, shorter life spans suggest males getting shaft.

"Paternity fraud rampant in U.S.," showing how 30 percent of men assessed for court-ordered child support are not actually the fathers of the children receiving the support.

"'Shared parenting' seen as custody solution," a look at bills in New York that would require courts to treat mom and dad equally.

"Resolving the boy crisis in schools" by Jeffery M. Leving and Glenn Sacks, showing how today's public schools are profoundly unsuited for the genuine needs of boys.

"Child support gold-diggers" by Carey Roberts, who shows how frequent fraud results in fathers being victimized by the justice system.

"Hating our fathers, hating ourselves" by Bob Just, a penetrating look at the high cost of resenting the fathers and husbands in our lives.

And much more. "This is one of the most soulful, important and insightful issues of Whistleblower we've produced in a long time," said Kupelian. "I urge people to read it – it's much more than eye-opening. It could be life-changing. Really."

SPECIAL OFFER: For a limited time, save $10 when you subscribe, renew or give a gift subscription to Whistleblower! Instead of $49.95 for one year, pay only $39.95!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Connecticut; US: Massachusetts; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antimalefeminism; boys; family; fatherhood; fathersday; fathersrights; feminism; leftism; liberalism; males; marijuana; mensrights
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This is a crucial topic/issue in America and Europe.

Some fairly good websites re Fathers'Rights etc.: American Coalition of Fathers and Children: http://www.acfc.org , Fatherhood Coalition: fatherhoodcoalition.org, Fathers and Families: fathersand families.org, The Men's Activism News Network: mensactivism.org, Men's News Daily: mensnewsdaily.com

Some great advocates/researchers: Christina Hoff Sommers, Warren Farrell, Stephen Baskerville.

A non-binding near-statewide referendum for Fathers'Rights/Shared Parenting (Requiring the rebutable presumption of equal, shared physical custody of kids in divorce cases) was supported by about 80% of even Massachusetss voters in 2004, but only about 20 states have any Shared Parenting Guidelines for their Family Courts.

1 posted on 06/03/2006 8:35:47 AM PDT by ProCivitas
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To: ProCivitas
Feminists and Feminism will go to ANY LENGTHS to destroy Family and Traditional Values...

· Feminism is another facet of Communism (Feminism is the vehicle for Communism)
· Feminism is dedicated to the destruction of family
· Feminism is about HATE and VIOLENCE
· Feminism and the butcher of children
· Feminism and the connection to homosexuality
· Feminism and sex
· Feminism's tie to the occult and witchcraft
· N.O.W. Remains Dedicated to the Right to Marry for Same-Sex Couples (Feminism - on the FRONT LINES of the Homosexual Marriage push)
· Feminists Destroying Marriage and Relationships (Whats hers is hers, and whats his is hers too...)
· Criminalizing masculinity (Feminist MISANDRY - Passionate HATRED of Males)
· Andrea Dworkin as the Feminist Queen of HATE (Feminism is all about HATE)
· Feminism is INSANITY (Feminist Logic Only Leads to Disaster)
· The State Matriarchy (Enforced Destruction of Society and Marriage by feminist ideology)
· Planned Parenthood Perversity - promoting statutory rape? (Radical Feminist agenda to advance sexual perversion and the destruction of young girls)
· What Have Feminists Done to American Fathers? (First rule of feminism, SLAUGHTER THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY)
· FEMINIST NEO-MARXIST HATE GROUP ADVANCES LEGISLATION IN THE CONGRESS (Is N.O.W. an anti-American Marxist Front Group?)
· Where's Dad? Fatherlessness is DESTROYING America - do YOU know WHY? (We may be the only society in history that has voluntarily chosen mass fatherlessness)
· FEMINISM IS COMMUNISM (Still MORE Quotes. Some may be duplicates, but there are many)
· What Feminist Leader Betty Frieden Didn't want you to Know! (Feminism and its roots in Communism)
· Bush Anti-Divorce Proclamation (LARGE image - 479K) (Bush Attack on Feminist Anti-Family Policies)
· Eradicating The Heterosexual Family (How Feminists and Democrats Seek to Undermine America)

2 posted on 06/03/2006 8:38:22 AM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: ProCivitas


"HOME: It's well known that roughly half of America's marriages end in divorce, "

I just want to clarify that's not exactly true. The divorce rate is brought up by serial divorcers. A serial divorcer will marry and divorce at least twice.


3 posted on 06/03/2006 8:38:52 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Try reading the article before you post)
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To: ProCivitas

Looks like I have a hard road ahead of me..


4 posted on 06/03/2006 8:41:21 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero » with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: ProCivitas

Bump for later.


5 posted on 06/03/2006 8:52:40 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: ProCivitas
The dumbing down of America is rife in schools and other places.. Whats not usually mentioned is the social neutering of the American male.. especially the white male..

Must happen for the "New World Order" to thrive..
And World Socialism to advance to absolute preeminence..

The AMNESTY of 20 "plus" million brand new prospective democrats by George Bush will greatly aid that end..

HOW can millions of new democrats be beneficial to the republican party?..

HOW Indeed.. and the denial of this is even greater.. Gross, drooling, tongue hanging out denial.. Denial so great that even here on FR, its not pilloried unmercifully(sometimes)..

6 posted on 06/03/2006 8:57:28 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: ProCivitas

Welcome to PC-America - where it's a misdemeanor to be a boy - and a felony to be a man.


7 posted on 06/03/2006 8:59:44 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Welcome to The War On Everything)
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To: woodb01

Feminists and Feminism will go to ANY LENGTHS to destroy Family and Traditional Values...

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True. Aided by the homos and their enablers.


8 posted on 06/03/2006 8:59:55 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: ProCivitas

Save this one for later....lots of meat.


9 posted on 06/03/2006 9:01:40 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: ProCivitas
It's difficult to take seriously a column that is articulating male's deficiencies by taking a posture of complaining about them.

Complaining isn't a masculine trait. I don't doubt that much of what the column lists is legitimate, but the solution isn't to look for institutional solutions (which won't come to fruition).

No - just start punching harder and take what you want. It's very clear that the other side isn't going to be talked into surrendering their hard-won gains. It's incumbent on males to be men and just kick arse, without hesitation or apology.

Anything less won't be successful.
10 posted on 06/03/2006 9:07:20 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Revenge of the "Sacred Feminine".


11 posted on 06/03/2006 9:14:48 AM PDT by The_Republican (So Dark The Con of Man)
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To: ProCivitas
The trollops that call themselves "feminist" are Marxist.

Feminism is a bunch of self contradicting idiocy. For example, feminists think that women can't achieve equal status (the "glass ceiling") without the help of discrimination and sexual harassment laws, thereby conceding that women are not willing or able to compete on equal terms with men.
12 posted on 06/03/2006 9:18:40 AM PDT by Jaysun (Failure has gone to their heads.)
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To: HitmanLV
No - just start punching harder and take what you want. It's very clear that the other side isn't going to be talked into surrendering their hard-won gains. It's incumbent on males to be men and just kick arse, without hesitation or apology.

Bravo! And if the feminist become mothers we'll take their puppies. Crazy b*tches.
13 posted on 06/03/2006 9:20:30 AM PDT by Jaysun (Failure has gone to their heads.)
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To: HitmanLV
It's incumbent on males to be men and just kick arse, without hesitation or apology.

But that means taking individual responsibility...surely you aren't advocating anything that drastic! It's much safer to come to Free Republic, hide behind an anonymous screen name, and whine that those other people are ruining your life and you can't help it! ;)

14 posted on 06/03/2006 9:23:35 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Jaysun

The whiny males that write these columns make men look bad.


15 posted on 06/03/2006 9:27:40 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

No doubt about it.


16 posted on 06/03/2006 9:28:02 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

If they had said that half the people who marry get divorced, you would have a valid point, but the statement as made is true.


17 posted on 06/03/2006 9:30:24 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: HitmanLV; Mr. Jeeves

~~SSOOBB~~

I love you two!

..sniffle..


18 posted on 06/03/2006 9:30:49 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: najida; HitmanLV

That's us - the big cuddly teddy bears of FR...LOL! ;)


19 posted on 06/03/2006 9:34:18 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: HitmanLV
They sound exactly like James Taggart in Atlas Shrugged. It's uncanny. ;)
20 posted on 06/03/2006 9:35:43 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: ProCivitas

Authentic men began disappearing from America in the 60's.


21 posted on 06/03/2006 9:39:45 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: HitmanLV
Right. The same kind of Nancys head up a lot of these groups that are supposed to reinstate Manliness. I was duped into one a couple of years ago. They sat around and discussed their "feelings" and "emotions" and all kinds of "real men cry" bullsh*t. I left two hours into the first night.

You're right, these vagina-friendly fruits do everyone a great disservice.
22 posted on 06/03/2006 9:43:30 AM PDT by Jaysun (Failure has gone to their heads.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

If a man thinks he has been treated unfairly consistently, it's incumbent on him to make things fair. Bust some heads (figuratively). I've seldom had the kind of problems I hear discussed, but then again I never played well with others, either. ;-)

A male who writes an article like this needs saving. And a male who needs saving so desperately needs a lot more, I think.

Just kick arse. You win some, you lose some. Fair is what you carve out for yourself and take. No excuses. And these types of articles make a lot of excuses for deficiencies suffered by males.


23 posted on 06/03/2006 9:45:39 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: Jaysun
Yep, and they used to be in a small minority but now get undue stature in media and in columns like this. Not every man is built like a lumberjack and is all outdoorsy and classically masculine.

But masculinity isn't necessarily about that cliche anyway. It's about carrying yourself with confidence and poise. Have a little sense of humor about yourself and life. You win some, you lose some. Don;t fold under pressure. Have a basic toughness. Roll with the punches and deliver some punches yourself.

Guys who complain like in the column need saving. And while a masculine man can certainly use a hand now and then, he tends to not need saving.
24 posted on 06/03/2006 9:49:15 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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To: HitmanLV

"I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK!
I work all night and I sleep all day....


25 posted on 06/03/2006 9:51:53 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: Jaysun
For some reason, the last sentence made me think of this.


26 posted on 06/03/2006 10:02:48 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

You're absolutely right. If you count only first divorces, the divorce rate is closer to 25%. And of those who remarry after a first divorce, the success rate is in the 80th percentile (not sure of the exact, current figure).

What this means is that 25% of the people who marry make a big mistake the first time. But they learn from that mistake.

I have to say that the root cause of divorce in this country is not the failure of marriage, but the failure of society (parents, family, education) to teach young people what to look for in a spouse. Too many think that "love" is the tingly elation and happiness they feel during courtship. When that goes away, they are disappointed and think their love has left and go off looking to replace it.


27 posted on 06/03/2006 10:16:57 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: polymuser; ProCivitas
Authentic men began disappearing from America in the 60's.

I'm so glad I got mine before it was too late ... !

28 posted on 06/03/2006 10:19:46 AM PDT by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: najida
You're good. According to the book "Know Your Vagina Friendly Fruits, a Layman's Guide", squash is a fruit.


29 posted on 06/03/2006 10:23:41 AM PDT by Jaysun (Failure has gone to their heads.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Too many think that "love" is the tingly elation and happiness they feel during courtship. When that goes away, they are disappointed and think their love has left and go off looking to replace it.

I was thinking earlier about the spate of young women teachers "preying" upon their students.

I think you have a point. They [young women] have failed to find a mate in their contemporaries [a maturing group of young men more or less their own ages]. These young women are really arrested adolescents. They don't really want to grow up.

Young men of their age group are maturing and are finding more readily available sexual outlets without the responsibility and entanglement of marriage.

And, the young women are so emotionally stunted that they are seeking to find that "tingly elation" by reverting to being teenagers again ... and trying to relive those first exciting sexual experiences ... with teenaged boys again ...

Our society almost requires young people to remain adolescents forever.

As a participant in a long and extraordinarily happy marriage, I can attest to the fact that there are many things more important than sex [even though that it is a vital part of a healthy relationship]. I can also attest to the fact that, given half a chance, a marriage will mature and become even happier and more satisfying than anyone starting out could ever hope for.


30 posted on 06/03/2006 10:30:40 AM PDT by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: Jaysun

Two hours? I would've left after two minutes.


31 posted on 06/03/2006 11:05:45 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: caryatid
You make some excellent points.

I've made the same observation about the predatory teachers (that they are stuck in adolescence). It's part of a misguided idolatry of youth we are suffering in this country, worshiping the energy and freedom and Self of youth over wisdom and experience and sacrifice of the Self for others.

If we trained our young that love is not the tingly elation, but the bond between two people that neither would think of severing regardless of their personal disappointments, that bond that keeps people together when all the obvious reasons for staying have faded, not only would there be far fewer divorces, but I think many marriages would be far happier.

That is, once you realize that you are united for more substantial reasons (we share the same faith, we share the same values and convictions, we are both working as hard at lifting the other up to be all that God put them here to be as we are to fulfill our own purpose, we both realize that raising children well is critical to them and society), then personal disappointments become far more petty. A true and far more profound joy comes at that blessed union, the inseparable bond because of what you are doing and living that has substance, not on a "tingling of the nerves," as James Joyce put it.
32 posted on 06/03/2006 11:53:37 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
If we trained our young that love is not the tingly elation, but the bond between two people that neither would think of severing regardless of their personal disappointments, that bond that keeps people together when all the obvious reasons for staying have faded, not only would there be far fewer divorces, but I think many marriages would be far happier.

My wife was 25, a knockout (IMHO), as of yet unmarried, and a virgin when we met. This was a direct result of her parents and the excellent job they did in training her. Our daughter is being trained in the same way. As for my wife and I, until death do us part.
33 posted on 06/03/2006 12:28:01 PM PDT by Jaysun (Failure has gone to their heads.)
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To: polymuser
I like to look at the statistics of those that REUP in the Military, and those that volunteer for a second or third tour in the Middle East.

When I was in the Army during Viet Nam you were considered a lunatic if you did either. I think that a good portion of our men like being in a situation where they are treated as men and respected as such by other men.

I don't know the solution but I think treating boys as future Men, demanding excellence and proper behavior would go a long way to solving our boy problem.

34 posted on 06/03/2006 12:48:27 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Jaysun; TheSpottedOwl; hosepipe; The_Republican; expatpat; HitmanLV; caryatid; najida; ...
Back to the topic, the WorldNetDaily article (more like an ad for their magazine issue) makes a fairly good case that feminism among other factors has been destructive, and that many men have been badly harmed by anti-male bias in family courts, schools, etc.

For a fit parent to have his kids taken from him just because his wife has found a 'better offer', courts lately don't recognize a 'show cause' standard for granting unilateral divorce, and award sole physical custody to women in aprox. 90% of cases --- well, that's about as devastating for a fellow as anything can be.

For those still married, many men find that they're valued mostly as the 'wage slave' of the household. Rather like comic Eddie Murphy's routine of 'what have you done for me lately?' The more 'leisured class' of genders generally tends to the rewarding work of raising the kids and tending to the civic/social concerns of the household. When men are mainly valued for 'providing' income to others, they're being devalued in most other ways. And all within the legal context of ... "ever want to see your kids again?"

Re Jaysun's reported experience of the feminist/'explore your feelings' group... well, they're probably part of the problem. They'll call themselves 'men's centers' or 'men's groups' but if they're feminists, like the PhD William Pollack in paragraph 10 of the above article, they're probably part of the problem. Check Christina Hoff Sommers's quote above re him.

The right sort of organization on these issues is a 'Fathers' Rights group' or a 'Men's Rights group'--- it's the word 'Rights'that the anti-male feminist semi-therapy groups hate as applied to men and fathers. The term 'rights' here indicates that one is pro-father, pro-men, pro-fairness, and probably Conservative. Anti-male feminists hate all that. Fathers' Right groups don't 'share their feelings' much -- they change public policy and organize for the interests of men.

Check out Stephen Baskerville's regular pieces for Human Events (humanevents.org .com?)He makes the Pro-Father, Men's Rights case real well.

I look forward to reading the WND magazine when I can find it.

35 posted on 06/03/2006 2:39:34 PM PDT by ProCivitas (Qui bono? Quo warranto? ; Who benefits? By what right/authority ?)
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To: ProCivitas; HitmanNY
For a fit parent to have his kids taken from him just because his wife has found a 'better offer', courts lately don't recognize a 'show cause' standard for granting unilateral divorce, and award sole physical custody to women in aprox. 90% of cases --- well, that's about as devastating for a fellow as anything can be.

For those still married, many men find that they're valued mostly as the 'wage slave' of the household. Rather like comic Eddie Murphy's routine of 'what have you done for me lately?' The more 'leisured class' of genders generally tends to the rewarding work of raising the kids and tending to the civic/social concerns of the household. When men are mainly valued for 'providing' income to others, they're being devalued in most other ways. And all within the legal context of ... "ever want to see your kids again?"

This will be controversial, but I'm going to say it anyway:

A man who is in control of himself, a man who knows himself, a man who communicates his worth and his value through every word and deed in his life will NEVER come close to having any of these things happen to him.

Men suffer social and legal reverses like the ones you mention because they choose to. They are spiritually unbalanced, emotionally weak, and easy prey. Being vulnerable to legal predation is easier than stepping forward embracing their birthright. The legal environment has evolved to punish weak men, and it does that with painful effectiveness.

Who would dare try to make a "wage slave" of a man as powerful as, say, John Wayne? Who would try to tell lies in court to take his kids away? He would brush such a woman and her lawyers off like so many gnats. The judge would be laughing at her by the time any such hearing ended, and because she knows it, she wouldn't even try. More likely, the "John Wayne" type man would never face such a situation because he would never have gotten involved with a woman of such low character in the first place. Weak men do that, overlooking character defects because they are so grateful to have finally gotten a bit of attention from even a moderately attractive woman.

The legal forces that do these things are just like third-rate criminals who prey on the weak, but wouldn't dare to attack a martial arts master.

The things that you list happen only to men who deserve it.

36 posted on 06/03/2006 3:13:26 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
If we trained our young that love is not the tingly elation, but the bond between two people that neither would think of severing regardless of their personal disappointments ...

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

My precious husband and I, after long years of a happy marriage, are more convinced than ever that probably the most basic reason for our happiness and the success of our marriage is that we come from incredibly similar backgrounds. All other good things appear to flow from that fact.

Our parents' marriages were both singularly happy and stable [something for us to admire and emulate]; we were brought up in the same manner [we share beliefs in the way children should be reared]; our faith, and commitment to that faith, are remarkably the same and the same as that of our parents. We function as a unit and, as a unit, we put the sanctity of our marriage above all else ... even above the "happiness" [read divisiveness] of our own children. We are each considerate of the other. If one of us will say something ... e.g. "I would rather you would say 'good morning, I am ready for breakfast'" instead of "are you on the internet again?!" ... the other listens and respects the request. We do not delight in annoying the other. We are each fiercely protective of the other.

A sterling example of a recipe for disaster in a very public marriage was the marriage of the Prince of Wales to Lady Diana Spencer. I told my husband from the day that engagement was announced that the marriage was doomed. He did not understand at the time but later realized that I was absolutely right. The POW should never have been allowed, much less forced, to marry a child of divorce. Diana grew up in an acrimonious household of parental neglect, screaming, tantrums, and divorce. Children who grow up like that really often believe that is normal behaviour and emulate that behaviour in their own marriages. They also emulate the way their parents interacted. It is not impossible for a child of divorce to have a stable marriage. It is just unlikely that they will be cognizant enough to realize how scarred they have been by their parents' divorce and they are likely to fall into the same traps in their own marriages.

I will add for the benefit of women who might balk at the kind of marriage I have: I have not become "submerged" into my husband's identity ... even in our very traditional marriage. He would be the first to tell you that I am fiercely independent, manage my own affairs [as opposed to joint concerns]. I have my own interests that he does not share and vice versa. But, at the end of the day, each of us considers the other his/her "best friend in the world" ...


37 posted on 06/03/2006 3:24:20 PM PDT by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: ProCivitas
Back to the topic, the WorldNetDaily article (more like an ad for their magazine issue) makes a fairly good case that feminism among other factors has been destructive, and that many men have been badly harmed by anti-male bias in family courts, schools, etc.

For a fit parent to have his kids taken from him [...] --- well, that's about as devastating for a fellow as anything can be.


Perhaps it does seem that we have veered away from the "War on Fathers" by talking about marriage ... but, the "War on Fathers" is just as much a "War on Marriage".

We have watched many friends whose wives took their children from them and whose only real function in those children's lives was to write a monthly check for the mother to spend largely on herself. It is a heartbreaking situation. And, the more women you have sitting on the bench in family courts the worse it will become.

We have watched many of the mothers of those children actively undermine the influence of the children's fathers and deliberately turn the children against their fathers. They are aided and abetted by the judicial system.

Many of the mothers of those children turn their daughters into shrieking, self-centered feminists and deliberately emasculate their sons [figuratively speaking].

Wives/women are not always the problem. Many times, men are unwilling to accept responsibility for the children they have sired. But, when women are the problem ... they have destroyed their own marriages and families and are then out trolling for another man that they think they will be able to transform into the feminist's ideal neutered man.

Marriage must be co-equal. It cannot be pure dominance of the husband over the wife or of the wife over the husband ... regardless of who makes the most money.

For years I have decried what I call the "Stupid Husband/Father Sydrome" in our popular culture ... and will not buy products that utilize that concept in their advertising. Far too many other people find those things truly amusing ... and I have been called names for being offended by them. [I am a woman, by the way.]

I do not have an answer for the problems; however, the future of the nuclear family and the stability of this country looks bleak in some quarters.

Other families are shining examples of what is good and what is right. Many of the home schooling parents are doing wonders with and for their children and are protecting them from the effects of our hideous popular culture so that they will have a chance to turn out well.

I do not have statistics on the number of single mothers who are home schooling but I would bet it is relatively small. Every one of the home schooling situations I have seen have had a strong nuclear family.


38 posted on 06/03/2006 3:44:29 PM PDT by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: caryatid

Very perceptive.


39 posted on 06/03/2006 4:00:10 PM PDT by ProCivitas (Qui bono? Quo warranto? ; Who benefits? By what right/authority ?)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
I have to say that the root cause of divorce in this country is not the failure of marriage, but the failure of society (parents, family, education) to teach young people what to look for in a spouse. Too many think that "love" is the tingly elation and happiness they feel during courtship. When that goes away, they are disappointed and think their love has left and go off looking to replace it.

That's probably the cause of the majority of divorces. Back in the day, marriage meant survival, and survival meant teamwork. Don't forget the stigma that divorce used to carry. Adultery was grounds for divorce, but not much else.

Love is I guess an amalgam of different things. That "tingly feeling" is lust ;-)

40 posted on 06/03/2006 6:04:58 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: ProCivitas; Jaysun

Thanks for the ping. As far as "real men don't cry", they sure as hell do. There is a nasty tactic used by psychotic people who will accuse you of heinous acts, to get the kids, assets, etc. You, the man, are guilty until proven innocent. Unless you are filthy rich, you can't in most cases. I'm female. I've seen it happen to guys.

Men are also victims of hearsay domestic violence. Financial abuse. Adultery, denegrating the father in front of the kids, the list goes on.

The only support group I've been to was an Alanon group, which I found most helpful. Imagining the men I know sitting in a circle drumming, is hysterically funny. "Tastes great, less filling....HOOOOYAAAAH"! Bondo and junkyards, Pimp My Ride. WWE(have to leave the room when Vince McMahon starts babbling) (oh Lord, we're rednecks)

www.deltabravo.net is a men's site that I recommend to my male friends. Incredible data base of helpful links.


41 posted on 06/03/2006 6:53:24 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: ProCivitas

Very good thread bump! Thanks for posting. Belated welcome aboard.


42 posted on 06/03/2006 7:12:20 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: ProCivitas

Michael Savage is ahead of them on this by light years.


43 posted on 06/03/2006 8:05:42 PM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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To: hosepipe

HOW Indeed.. and the denial of this is even greater.. Gross, drooling, tongue hanging out denial.. Denial so great that even here on FR, its not pilloried unmercifully(sometimes)..

Absolutely. The denial is mind numbing to see. Although, I'm ever hopeful.


44 posted on 06/03/2006 8:08:09 PM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; ProCivitas; PGalt
Thanks for the link StPaulieGirl ;o)

I like to send people to the site below. My wife and I don't have the problems many have listed here. She's not a feminist and has no delusions of "equality". I run this dog and pony show. And I don't cry.

http://www.americanwomensuck.com

45 posted on 06/03/2006 9:19:10 PM PDT by Jaysun (In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.)
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To: ProCivitas
blacks in America have been accused of using this writer's same old and same old lame excuse for why one group is doing not as well as another....

it can't be personal, it has to be the SYSTEM that keeps blacks and men down trodden....

I don't accept that for blacks and I don't accept that for boys/men....

I haven't read this book, but it sounds like its right on target....it was talked about by Dave Ramsey on his radio show a week or so ago...the book is "the Question behind the Question" and it basically places personal responsibility squarely on the individual for his or her success....not the school, not the government, not the SYSTEM.....

46 posted on 06/03/2006 9:31:42 PM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: cherry
the book is "the Question behind the Question" and it basically places personal responsibility squarely on the individual for his or her success....not the school, not the government, not the SYSTEM.....

Isn't it ridiculous that such a concept is so foreign today that people write books about it?
47 posted on 06/03/2006 9:35:43 PM PDT by Jaysun (In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.)
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To: Jaysun
The trollops that call themselves "feminist" are Marxist.

Add to that the cultural Marxist liberal-tarians, drug abuse, homosexualization of popular culture and we have the complete feminization of society...

Marijuana is the perfect chemical warfare agent for the feminization of men.

48 posted on 06/03/2006 10:03:33 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Bigg Red
Aided by the homos and their enablers.

There are doctrinaire, myopic cultural Marxists whose only purpose here on FreeRepublic is their polemic need to do anything contrary to the Christians...

You will find most of them on the homosexual issue threads, the evolution threads, drug threads, gentic engineering threads or any other issue involving a perversion of, or attack on, the Judaic book of Genesis.

Feminazi and Gaystapo are very close to the reality of the situation.

49 posted on 06/03/2006 10:15:08 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Add to that the cultural Marxist liberal-tarians, drug abuse, homosexualization of popular culture and we have the complete feminization of society...

Marijuana is the perfect chemical warfare agent for the feminization of men.


Well I'm doing my part brother. My wife isn't raising hell somewhere, she's raising kids at home. Our children, God willing, won't get sucked into this madness. We're diligent in the training up of them.
50 posted on 06/03/2006 10:36:11 PM PDT by Jaysun (In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.)
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