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Editorial: Kerry takes up the Swift Boat charges Raised Eyebrow Alert)
Minneapolis Star/Tribune (aka The Red Star) ^ | 6/03/06 | Editorial Opinion

Posted on 06/03/2006 1:36:30 PM PDT by MplsSteve

Most of the controversies from the wild 2004 presidential campaign have long been forgotten. But one is coming back, the New York Times reported this week, and we're glad it is: Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee for president, is joining an effort to debunk the many attacks on his service in Vietnam more than two decades earlier.

Kerry is a holder of three purple hearts, a bronze star and a silver star, all awarded in a four-month stint aboard Navy swift boats in Vietnam's Mekong delta.

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I did a search and didn't see this story posted.

I guess this doesn't surprise me. The editorial board of the Red Star was among one of the more rabid defenders of Kerry's war record and the attacks inflicted upon him during the campaign.

Opinions or comments - anyone?

1 posted on 06/03/2006 1:36:32 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

Ol'rice butt can't let it rest.


2 posted on 06/03/2006 1:37:30 PM PDT by sauropod ("Heaven on my left, Hell on my right and the Angel of Death behind me" - Dune)
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To: MplsSteve

Hey Feverishly Leftist Star "editors", Have your "hero" sign Form 180 and release ALL his military records to the public. ALL of them, not just the air brushed few he has made public to date


3 posted on 06/03/2006 1:38:15 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (I would rather be an Iraqi in a Hidatha guarded by Marines, then a subject of Al-Qeda anywhere.)
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To: MplsSteve

Ketchup Boy should admit that he brought it on himself with the "band of brothers" and "reporting for duty" stunts, among many others, and then just shut the hell up about it.


4 posted on 06/03/2006 1:40:08 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: MNJohnnie; MplsSteve

By the Red Star running that editorial, it of course opens the door for some nice Letters To The Editor....a la Johnnie's post #3.


5 posted on 06/03/2006 1:40:10 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: MplsSteve

"No candidate should have to endure what Kerry got."

No country should have to endure that shitheel!


6 posted on 06/03/2006 1:40:33 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: MplsSteve

John Kerry vs. The Tarbaby....redeaux


7 posted on 06/03/2006 1:41:20 PM PDT by stylin19a (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.)
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To: MplsSteve
I doubt Kerry is really asking his entire naval file to be released. I remember an earlier story about Kerry finally releasing his whole file and before he did, he asked researchers to comb through and airbrush (my phrase) many of the sleazy, irresponsible things that were done during his 4 month tenure in Vietnam

It is nice to know that the Swiftboats can illicit such a reaction from the gigolo, however. Anyone remember how his voice shook when he referred to those guys during the 2004 election (snicker)?

8 posted on 06/03/2006 1:42:45 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: MplsSteve

Did Kerry serve in VN? Wow, I didn't know that.

/sarcasm off


9 posted on 06/03/2006 1:43:32 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: MplsSteve

Well there were people at his hearing, including paper pushers to administer his dishonorable discharge. Things have a way of getting out, the older people get... Someday they may sing and write books about it.


10 posted on 06/03/2006 1:45:06 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: MplsSteve

11 posted on 06/03/2006 1:45:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: MplsSteve

Is he going to release his diary also? The one written in 1972 and used in his book. I remember reading that when John Edwards was selected as his running mate, Edwards was told to steer clear of the diary, because in it, Kerry had stated he met Vietnamese "terrorists" in Paris -- terrorists not being a good description to use in the 2004 election.

Kerry will be meat for the barbeque in 2008 as well.

In his own words, "Bring it on."

As for me, I'm just another Vietnam vet "reporting for duty" on seeking the truth behind this incredible phony.


12 posted on 06/03/2006 1:48:28 PM PDT by detch
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To: MplsSteve
Kerry is a holder of three purple hearts, a bronze star and a silver star, all awarded in a four-month stint

And he even managed to fit in a trip to Cambodia during Christmas.

Whatta guy.

13 posted on 06/03/2006 1:49:53 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: MNJohnnie; All

The only difference between John Kerry and his more recent 'clone' Jesse Macbeth is that Kerry made it out of 'basic training' and actually spent a little time in a war zone.

Beyond that, they are both America haters who lie about their own military exploits, and lie about widespread atrocities by American troops.

They fake documents in an attempt to fool the ignorant about their so-called wounds and heroism; and verbally attack those that point out the truth about them.

Oh, I guess I gotta give Kerry credit for being more erudite and not stuttering, as well as being more successful at fooling more people for a much longer time.


14 posted on 06/03/2006 1:54:02 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: MplsSteve

Kerry is the best the leftwing can come up with for their "war hero."

Kerry and Murtha.

The leftwingers' Audie Murphy and Sgt. York.

LOL


15 posted on 06/03/2006 1:56:50 PM PDT by MrCruncher
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To: MplsSteve

Reprising a campaign tactic that had worked well against Sen. John McCain in 2000 and Sen. Max Cleland in 2002, White House political strategist Karl Rove went straight at Kerry's most significant strength: his war record.

Karl Rove did that? What an evil genius! /sarc

16 posted on 06/03/2006 1:56:56 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: PeteB570
Did Kerry serve in VN? Wow, I didn't know that. /sarcasm off

Cambodia too, wasn't it?

17 posted on 06/03/2006 1:59:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: MplsSteve
I did a search and didn't see this story posted.

Right here.

18 posted on 06/03/2006 2:00:43 PM PDT by TomServo ("Not even chauffeur's can resist the fresh taste of ultimate power.")
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To: MplsSteve; ErnBatavia

http://mpls.startribune.com/dynamic/feedback/form.php

There is the Link, below my letter.

To the Editors:

If Senator Kerry wants to end the whispering about his Military service, he can simply sign Form 180. Form 180 gives the Military legal authority to release all the Senator's Military records to the Public. So far the Senator has refused to do this. What the Senator is claiming as his "Military Records" are merely carefully selected PR pieces, not his full record. IF the Star Tribune Editors are seriously interested in the truth, they should be urging the Senator to sign form 180.


19 posted on 06/03/2006 2:01:59 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (I would rather be an Iraqi in a Hidatha guarded by Marines, then a subject of Al-Qeda anywhere.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

>>all awarded in a four-month stint

I just bought a download of Unfit for Command and put it on my mp3 player to listen to (figured I'd "read" it sooner or later). One hour into the 6 hr file...really good and I do believe O'Neill and Corsi, not Kerry. Four month stint? Yes,
but one month was training! Kerry enlisted in Navy RESERVE,
not Navy; he tried to get an assignment where he'd be safe
and once things started to get hairy, oh look, I got a scratch. Can I get me a Purple Heart here?

When the Swift Boat charges came out, Kerry could have defended himself against them and made a strong case, if
he were indeed right. He did not, either because a) he
knew deep down people would see through him, or b)he figured the MSM would ignore them or denounce the Swifties as
crackpots (which a lot of the MSM did indeed do).

There was even a book out called Unfit Commander: Texans for the Truth Take On Bush, with a similar-looking cover. But Publishers Weekly said of that tome: "However, readers may balk at wading through old government documents, some of them indecipherable, that don’t offer new revelations. Ultimately, Smith lacks a smoking gun and, coming on the heels of the ONeill/Corsi book, this effort carries the taint of election year oneupmanship." Which it was;
ignore Kerry, folks, and focus on that eeeeeeeeeeevil W.

Needless to say there are moonbat recommendations for THAT one: "i don't like bush at all, and i don't like the way he makes texans look; even though he isn't really a texan, he was born in conneticut. do yourself a favor, and buy this book."

And another: "During the Vietnam War, John F. Kerry bravely performed his patriotic duty and risked his life in combat. During the same war, George Bush took the cowardly route and went AWOL from the Air National Guard for nearly a year. Glenn W. Smith's eye opening UNFIT COMMANDER provides full documented evidence, including over 250 pages of service records, that exposes the whole, shocking truth about Dumbya's shameful military "career". Smith provides a richly detailed introduction and commentary, plus an extensive appendix, that puts the sordid tale into proper perspective. Smith even addresses the recent CBS memo "controversy" and how Republicans used the media to promote that ridiculous sham of a news story in order to divert the populace from the truth about the president's cowardly past. UNFIT COMMANDER is a well researched and important historical document. Any remaining undecided voters out there should read it ASAP."


20 posted on 06/03/2006 2:05:01 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: MNJohnnie

Classic! Nice letter! I hope it gets published!


21 posted on 06/03/2006 2:05:25 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: PeteB570
Did Kerry serve in VN? Wow, I didn't know that.

No kidding. I'm surprised he never mentioned it.

22 posted on 06/03/2006 2:08:28 PM PDT by KJC1 (Ant overboard! Hammerhead shark feeding frenzy!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Notice the editorial said that there are "researchers pouring over naval records"....

I wonder if these are records that the Swifties had any access to?


23 posted on 06/03/2006 2:10:23 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Stepan12

If Tim Russert had any integrity, he would be all over this.

Kerry promised him he would sign the form 180, never did and Russert has yet to follow up.

But they have no problem attacking the swifties.


24 posted on 06/03/2006 2:10:46 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: MplsSteve

Why does Kerry keep bringing this up? The fact is, he was one of the more notable Vietnam War protestors. Most of the Democrat politicians of his generation were Vietnam War protestors, including the Clintons. He'd be better off giving it a rest.


25 posted on 06/03/2006 2:11:19 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: MplsSteve

Steve ---I'd like your comment on this:

I have wondered why leftwing Minnesota elected a wrestler as governor

and then elected Coleman over Mondale.

I was told the following:

There is a lot of unhappiness in the area because people from the deepest slums of Chicago were moved into Mineapolis--St.Paul and as a result the city(ies) was destroyed as compared to what it once was.

Anything to this?


26 posted on 06/03/2006 2:12:14 PM PDT by MrCruncher
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To: MplsSteve
My late Father, who was the most decent and honorable man that I've ever known, said back in the early 70's that John Kerry should have been tried for treason. My Father served honorably in the Navy during WWII. My opinion of that POS Kerry hasn't changed in 35 years.
27 posted on 06/03/2006 2:12:41 PM PDT by appleharvey
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To: Kenny500c
Funniest thing I've read in a long time:

If Tim Russert had any integrity

28 posted on 06/03/2006 2:14:09 PM PDT by MrCruncher
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To: MNJohnnie

Kerry is a busy boy....

I read that he is planning on introducing a bill next week, calling for all of our troops to be out of Iraq by the end of this year.

I am sure he has the Marines in Haditha convicted already as well, and will USE it like Murtha is, to justify his cut and run, scaredy cat legislation.


29 posted on 06/03/2006 2:16:34 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: PeteB570

Apparently he won 3 Purple Hearts, too. He's quite reticent about it, so not surprising that you didn't know.


30 posted on 06/03/2006 2:20:31 PM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: Chi-townChief

John Kerry=horse's a**.


31 posted on 06/03/2006 2:23:24 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Kenny500c


32 posted on 06/03/2006 2:32:50 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: MrCruncher
I have wondered why leftwing Minnesota elected a wrestler as governor... and then elected Coleman over Mondale.

Well, I'm not from Minnesota, but I'm sure I can answer at least the second half of your question.

They elected Coleman because of the Dimocrats' absolutely disgraceful behavior at the memorial service for Senator Paul Wellstone, the incumbent liberal who now-Senator Coleman was facing.

It was a big, televised event, and the asswipes in the crowd (egged on by Senator Wellstone's children, among others) turned the whole thing into a huge stick-it-to-the-Republicans campaign rally. Activities included booing Senator Lott (then the Majority Leader of the Senate) and a couple of other Republicans out of the building.

The next morning, Governor Ventura called the Dims disgusting on national TV, and apparently the voters agreed.

It was a huge deal. With the sentimental feelings over Wellstone (undeserved, but heh...), a generally well-regarded Walter Mondale ready to step into the wings... well, the Dims should have had that race in a walk (no disrespect to Senator Coleman). But, hell no, they just HAD to make asses of themselves. Thank goodness for that.

33 posted on 06/03/2006 2:36:37 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: MNJohnnie
sign Form 180 and release ALL his military records to the public. ALL of them

Bingo! That's the only way to end it, John Effing Kerry. But he's probably had some insiders destroy the good stuff.

34 posted on 06/03/2006 2:37:24 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: jazusamo

I think he served in Iraq (both) and Afghanistan, too. And Granada. Somalia! Bosnia! Where else? Oh, yeah. He was in both towers on 911.


35 posted on 06/03/2006 2:39:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

LOL...You're right. I heard he volunteered for Korea too but his mom wouldn't sign for him because he was only seven.


36 posted on 06/03/2006 2:47:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: TontoKowalski

In my opinion the Wellstone "funeral," with all the lefty HATE presented

was the START of the now raging aggressive, shove-the lefty-crap-in-your-face stance by the leftwing and their "news" media .

They were too dumb to notice it didn't work

and think if they do more and more of the same they will get their desired goal.

STUPID people.


37 posted on 06/03/2006 2:49:07 PM PDT by MrCruncher
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To: MplsSteve
Eventually, and bizarrely, people were arguing about whether Kerry took his boat into Cambodia on one occasion. To us the story sounded quite plausible (a number of Americans made clandestine trips into Cambodia during that time), as well as irrelevant to the campaign.

The fact is he made it a campaign issue, not those who questioned it. It's important because it goes to his integrity. And his claim most assuredly is false.

I was in SOG during that time. All cross border operations were under the command and control of the US Army MACV-SOG. No boats were utilized after the early 1960s for insertions into Cambodia. If he went into Cambodia, he would have done so as part of an operation conducted by Command and Control South (CCS). He would have required a top secret clearance, his weapons and boat would have had all traces of identification removed, and he would have had orders from CCS through MACV-SOG to the Naval Commander in the AO, and down to Kerry. He would have known what his mission was and where he was going. I don't believe him, and hope he tries to prove it.

38 posted on 06/03/2006 2:49:21 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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I understand his latest rendition of the "facts" proves that his Christmas trip into Cambodia took place in February. Of course the memory of the enemy singing Christmas carols was "seared" into his brain. I think his brain was seared on more occasions than this one.
39 posted on 06/03/2006 2:51:39 PM PDT by Socratic ("I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.")
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To: Right Wing Assault

"I think he served in Iraq (both) and Afghanistan, too. And Granada. Somalia! Bosnia! Where else? Oh, yeah. He was in both towers on 911."

Was that before or after he invented the internet ?


40 posted on 06/03/2006 2:51:48 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: sauropod

This is the kind of person who has been handed out much more than he deserved to get out of life.

Traitor John is nothing more than a worthless floater in the Democrat septic tank.


41 posted on 06/03/2006 2:56:23 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: MplsSteve
I didn't see this one, but I did see another one like it.

I believe they are trying to "immunize" themselves through some sort of lame-stream innoculatization tactic.

It'll be interesting to see if it works...
42 posted on 06/03/2006 2:58:18 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good on ya.


43 posted on 06/03/2006 3:07:08 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: MplsSteve

He has had 2 years for his spin machine staff to come up with a rebuttal. They needed at least two years to play with the wording, so I'm surprised that anyone questions the time-delay.

Nobody seems to care about the delay needed for a SecNavy (John Layman) citation which popped 15 years after the facts.

Write him off – He’s a lying loser. The best thing he could do just now - is to make a movie. His movie could be about wild-eyed, drug-crazed marines cutting off the ears of little girls, or breaking into houses in the dead of night to terrorize kids and children and young people and under-age kids and toddlers and pre-schooler’s and babies and little guys. Woo! See what 2 years can do for you if think ahead?


44 posted on 06/03/2006 3:08:25 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: vetsvette

Mega DITTOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 06/03/2006 3:09:39 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: Txsleuth
" am sure he has the Marines in Haditha convicted already as well, and will USE it like Murtha is, to justify his cut and run, scaredy cat legislation."

I'm taking bets.

IF, it turn out that the Marines are guilty of what has been alleged, you can bet that he will be front and center (along with Murtha and FatBoy Teddy) at the news conference that WILL BE held and I am certain, the traiterous Snake, will compare "it" with something about Vietnam.

Any takers?

As an aside, anyone with an ounce of common sense, would realize that when the Swift Boat Vets and others, began to question/challenge him about his service, IF, his record was as he said it was--and thus the release thereof, would automatically have exonerated him; made fools of the SBV; put a kibosh on anyone and everyone who dared to criticize his Vietnam service and maybe, even his post-Vietnam conduct, which is what most of us took issue with--WHY, would he not done so, expeditiously and with maximum exposure? DUH!

Methinks he doth protest too much!!!

46 posted on 06/03/2006 3:09:53 PM PDT by namvet66
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To: MplsSteve

Swifties will kick his ass all over again.

Bring IT ON!


47 posted on 06/03/2006 3:12:21 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: MNJohnnie; MplsSteve
Mine...and thanks for the link, amigo.

Regarding John Kerry and his continuing bitterness toward the Swiftboat Vets - since he chose to make his military background the cornerstone of his otherwise rudderless 2004 campaign, he should have made sure his sheets were clean.

The Star should follow up, and do some research as to why his refusal to make a full release of his military - and discharge! - records continues to this day....hint: there may be a Pulitzer in it for you.

48 posted on 06/03/2006 3:12:48 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Stepan12

49 posted on 06/03/2006 3:15:15 PM PDT by knyteflyte3
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To: namvet66

Yeppers...you are right about his belated attempt to prove the Swifties wrong...he was too easily cowed by them during 2004, to have anything concrete to prove them wrong.


50 posted on 06/03/2006 3:18:17 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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