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Alan Keyes addresses a Super Rally for Bill Sali
RenewAmerica.us - Alan Keyes Archives ^ | June 3, 2006 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 06/03/2006 2:33:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance
"Maybe you're enamored of politicians who constantly give mealy-mouthed answers, but I'm not."

No, it's fine to believe that, but you can't win elections on the national scale making those kind of statements.

21 posted on 06/03/2006 3:12:57 PM PDT by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don't know. It is beyond my pay grade to posit what preciptated life, and how the highest form became wired the way it was, other than perhaps natural selection. Villages have a competitive advantage.


22 posted on 06/03/2006 3:13:47 PM PDT by Torie
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To: EternalVigilance

In any event, if God did the hormones, we don't need to have any conscious recognition of God. We just react to the hormones God created. It becomes a self executing mechanism.


23 posted on 06/03/2006 3:17:00 PM PDT by Torie
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I don't know.

An honest answer.

It is beyond my pay grade to posit what preciptated life, and how the highest form became wired the way it was...

Well, Thomas Jefferson and the other founders claimed to know:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

...other than perhaps natural selection.

Ah. "Survival of the fittest". Were the Jews of Europe in the 1930's and 40's "unfit"?

Villages have a competitive advantage.

"Might makes right"?

24 posted on 06/03/2006 3:20:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Might is tempered by sympathy and empathy. I think it is in the genes.


25 posted on 06/03/2006 3:22:47 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
In any event, if God did the hormones, we don't need to have any conscious recognition of God. We just react to the hormones God created. It becomes a self executing mechanism.

A position that is in direct opposition to the Founders' view of human nature. As Christians, they considered mankind to be in a fallen condition, and therefore in need of the restraints of the rule of law.

26 posted on 06/03/2006 3:23:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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Might is tempered by sympathy and empathy. I think it is in the genes.

What else is there, Torie? Butchery, tyranny, larceny? Surely you don't deny the propensity of men for evil?

27 posted on 06/03/2006 3:24:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Secular rationalism dictates the efficacy of the rule of law. That bit is a hanging curve ball. The more difficult bit, is getting individuals to honor it, in a micro sense. As I say, that comes from good habits, which can be taught by either believers or unbelievers, in the existance of a God. I say that from personal experience.


28 posted on 06/03/2006 3:26:43 PM PDT by Torie
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To: EternalVigilance

Homo sapiens have a propensity for both good and evil.


29 posted on 06/03/2006 3:27:22 PM PDT by Torie
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To: EternalVigilance
Yeah, me too. We ain't got nobody else like him.

Keyes/Rice in '08.

(Drive 'em crazy)

30 posted on 06/03/2006 3:28:20 PM PDT by Eclectica (Para el inglés, prensa 2.)
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Who made your conscience?

Even little children know right from wrong intrinsically...at least until they get old enough to ignore their conscience until it atrophies...

The biblical analogy is better, though: It refers to consciences that are "seared".


31 posted on 06/03/2006 3:30:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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Homo sapiens have a propensity for both good and evil.

Of course we do.

The real question is the source of the knowledge of what constitutes such.

We Christians amazingly think we know what that source is.

32 posted on 06/03/2006 3:32:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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I already told you. Hormones. Good habits, derived from secular rationalism, can help to mitigate that aspect of hormones which leads to objectification of the other, for purposes of short term self gratification. Yes, I think religion is a very useful shortcut to get there for a society, and this near atheist favors the sacred in the public square for prudential reasons. I hope I am not being too abstract in this discussion.


33 posted on 06/03/2006 3:34:11 PM PDT by Torie
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To: EternalVigilance

Dr. Keyes is America's greatest living orator, whether you agree with him or not. I have heard him speak in Real Life, and he's so impressive. Beautiful sentences!


34 posted on 06/03/2006 3:34:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I am a daughter of God, a child of the King, a holy fire burning with His love.)
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To: Eclectica

An interesting thought, but Alan would never run with her, because of her self-described "pro-choice" stance.


35 posted on 06/03/2006 3:34:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Tax-chick

No doubt about it.


36 posted on 06/03/2006 3:34:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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We Christians amazingly think we know what that source is.

I think that is by definition, no?

37 posted on 06/03/2006 3:35:13 PM PDT by Torie
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I hope I am not being too abstract in this discussion.

I think our mutual positions are quite clear to the reader.

38 posted on 06/03/2006 3:35:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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I think that is by definition, no?

"Self-evident". ;-)

39 posted on 06/03/2006 3:36:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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Yes, perhaps to a Christian, and even to those who were not, or very distant from it, in the sense that Christianity qua Christianity had any emotional resonance with them, such as well you know, inter alia, Franklin and Jefferson. Those who were not, just had more bridge work to parse, in the sense, if not perhaps the exact sense, of my rather convoluted musings.


40 posted on 06/03/2006 3:40:47 PM PDT by Torie
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