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The Horrors Really Are Your America, Mr Bush (Another conservative turncoat jumps the shark)
The Sunday Times ^ | June 4, 2006 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 06/03/2006 5:50:22 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Gondring

I do. War is hell and sometimes you do what you need to do. The USA has lost the will to fight. I have absolutely no problem with torture if needed. These guy could have been shot on sight and that would have been legal.


61 posted on 06/03/2006 11:28:55 PM PDT by therut
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Those who spend their rhetorical capital comparing Abu Gharib with Auschwitz and calling what went on at Abu Gharib "torture" are guilty of demeaning the memory of true victims of war crimes and attrocities, and of letting real torturers and murderers off the hook. When you have expended all your bile attacking the defenders of America, and of democracy, what do you have left for the likes of Saddam Hussein and his sons, who are reportedly guilty of the deaths of millions of their own countrymen? This tendency is driven by the kind of self hatred we see in the spineless left, and it is a sad day to see Andrew Sullivan join those ranks.


62 posted on 06/04/2006 12:33:03 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Valin
Did I miss a meeting

Yes. And we're all pretty PO'd at you, you were supposed to bring the donuts.

I promise you..it wasn't my fault..an old friend came in from town..my suit didn't come in from the cleaners..I had a flat tire..my alarm clock didn't go off at the right time..I had to wait for the cable repair man..please it wasn't my fault..


63 posted on 06/05/2006 10:14:52 AM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: quidnunc

Andrew's queer eye for the American political landscape is tiresome and non-productive.
What a nancy boy.


64 posted on 06/05/2006 10:23:30 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: John Valentine

Geneva Conventions? Uh, actually, the relevant ones have to do with OUR treatment of THEM... Please point to a section where it says that detained civilians are considered "spies"...unless you are unaware that many of the detainees were not battlefield prisoners.


65 posted on 06/05/2006 4:38:12 PM PDT by Gondring (If a "Conservative" now wants to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: therut
I do. War is hell and sometimes you do what you need to do. The USA has lost the will to fight. I have absolutely no problem with torture if needed. These guy could have been shot on sight and that would have been legal.

Thank you for the reply. War is hell, but we despise the Nazis for rounding up "suspects" in their occupied areas, and I don't recall our GIs doing the same.

Do FReepers not realize that many of these "detainees" were not caught on the battlefield, but were simply picked up because informants claimed they were against us?

66 posted on 06/05/2006 4:38:25 PM PDT by Gondring (If a "Conservative" now wants to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: BerniesFriend

LOL!!!


67 posted on 06/05/2006 9:08:37 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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