Skip to comments.Deadly Quackery
Posted on 06/03/2006 10:13:16 PM PDT by neverdem
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"Two years later, Ms. Maggiore gave birth to an H.I.V.-infected daughter, Eliza Jane, who acquired an AIDS-related infection last year and died at age 3."
The kid didn't take antiretroviral drugs. You'll win no points for obstinacy.
Sorry - - I perused it quickly, but frankly after reading: "It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes....", it was tough to imagine that anything following could be taken seriously. That kind of vain, brazen arrogance presents a real stumbling block for me.
I live in the real world. Life is not geometric or algebraic proofs. Look at the preponderance of clinical evidence in reducing the incidence and prevalence of the HIV/AIDS diagnosis, e.g. the reduction of mother to child transmission with antiretroviral drugs, the success in reducing promiscuous transmission, screening blood and blood products, etc.
Can you tell me what a germ is? Do you mean a single cell bacterium?
Too bad, you missed good examples of medical quackery.
There they go again. The missing link is still missing, but what do you expect from the godless NY Times.
I still have the papers. Do you recall any specific problems did you have with their reasoning?
As for the paper you posted, it's awfully questionable itself. For example, it's clear the authors have absolutely no knowledge of virology (kind of important if you're going to be discussing HIV). For example, at one point they say:
Despite its spectacular birthday, the HIV-AIDS hypothesis has remained entirely unproductive to this date: there is as yet no anti-HIV-AIDS vaccine, no effective prevention, and not a single AIDS patient has ever been cured.
Well, that's because:
1) The HIV vaccine is difficult to develop; animal models are poor, the virus is highly mutagenic, and the receptor-binding portion actually conceals itself in the envelope.
2) Antivirals have been shown to be effective at preventing AIDS from developing in HIV-positive individuals provided they do not continue to engage in high-risk behavior
3) Because AIDS only develops after the supply of CD4+ T cells has been depleted it makes absolutely no sense to claim that an inability to cure AIDS somehow means that HIV isn't causing it - (and their 1 in 500 infected/depleted T cell argument is specious at best)
And when it comes down to it, the best predictor for the development of AIDS is STILL HIV infection, a point noticeably absent from this paper - even though they go into a great deal of detail analyzing and attempting to draw their conclusions from looking pretty much exclusively at sub-groups (such as HIV-positive non-drug users versus drug users, which is another fallacious point: how much more likely is it for a drug user to engage in risky behavior and have a compromised immune system that itself increases the odds of developing AIDS?)
...and if you're so sure, why not volunteer for one of the HIV vaccine trials? I mean, you won't get AIDS anyway, right?
OK, considering that the guy who wrote it is purportedly a PhD in Molecular & Cell Biology, I guess "no knowledge of virology" is a little bit harsh.
It's kind of hard to make that sort of accusation stick to Peter Duesberg if you have a look at his CV.
I disagree. We all agree there is a correlation between HIV and AIDs. I just don't believe it is the cause of AIDs.
When traveling rather then spreading through the body I believe what takes place is an attack on the production of T helper's.
Well, the big fight over who should get credit for discovering the cause of AIDS was pathetic and science is not without scandals so it wouldn't suprise me if 50-60 years from now we look back and shake our heads over the HIV causes AIDS fraud. On the other hand it wouldn't suprise me if HIV does cause AIDS.
If a hiv+ takes drugs to enable him to live a longer life then he otherwise would have, and infect more people who would otherwise not be infected, then yes, it does cause the spread of aids.
Didn't mean to offend, I just found the quackery in paragraph 1.
Doesn't seem like it. I hate it when this happens.
Has he done it yet?
Sirs, perhaps there are those among you who believe you are descended from a ape. I suppose there may even be those among you who believe that I am descended from a ape. But I challenge the man to step forward who believes that General Robert E. Lee is descended from a ape.
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