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Jack Kelly: Rushing to judgment
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | June 4, 2006 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 06/04/2006 5:49:31 AM PDT by smoothsailing

Jack Kelly: Rushing to judgment

Shame on John Murtha for presuming Marines' guilt in Haditha

Sunday, June 04, 2006

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Jesse Macbeth, a self-styled "special forces ranger," regaled moonbat audiences with tales of the atrocities he committed in Iraq:

"Fallujah is where we slaughtered people in mosques," he said. "We would dig holes and leave mass graves of children, women and old men."      

    Unfortunately for Mr. Macbeth, he made a video which was seen by actual veterans. In it, he is wearing his beret improperly ("like a pastry chef," said an Army spokesman). He's wearing a Ranger beret, but it has a Special Forces flash. The sleeves on his battle BDU jacket are rolled up the way the Marines do it; not the Army. In short, Mr. Macbeth was a fraud so obvious even the moonbats should have seen through him, but they didn't because they wanted so badly to believe the terrible things he was saying about U.S. forces in Iraq. In every war America has ever fought, a few soldiers have committed war crimes. In no war has their behavior been representative of our soldiers as a whole, or been sanctioned by their superiors. But the moonbats think smearing our servicemen and women discredits the war effort.

To his everlasting shame, Rep. John Murtha, a Democrat from Johnstown and a retired Marine reserve colonel, is playing to the same crowd. He's accused Marines of having committed "cold-blooded murder," and their superiors of covering it up.

"It goes right up the chain of command right up to Gen. [Peter] Pace [chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff]," Mr. Murtha said on ABC's "This Week" program last Sunday.....

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dueprocess; haditha; iraq; murtha; murthawatch

1 posted on 06/04/2006 5:49:32 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Coop; Just A Nobody; freema; W04Man; jazusamo; Calpernia
Shame on Jack Murtha PING
2 posted on 06/04/2006 5:53:03 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

Democrats have no shame.


3 posted on 06/04/2006 5:53:48 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; acsrp38; angcat; armydawg1; AuH2ORepublican; b4its2late; bboop; bert; ...
~snip-

Rep. Murtha's accusation of a cover-up clearly is false. The Marines under investigation apparently lied in their report of the incident, but as soon as their superiors were made aware of the discrepancies in their story, they ordered an investigation which the Iraqis say is thorough, and which is about to result in criminal charges.

I do not think that the Marines lied. It was reported that grenade was thrown and exploded a propane tank. I think this happened first and consider it a qualified IED. I think the gunshots came second, but whoever fired them is up in the air. And if our Marines were under fire, they damn well should have shot first and asked questions later. Murtha is the one who can't handle the pressure.

4 posted on 06/04/2006 5:59:50 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: smoothsailing
THIS NOVEMBER RETIRE THE OLD FOOL
5 posted on 06/04/2006 6:08:55 AM PDT by Sir_Humphrey (NJ's former Governor only wanted to screw guys. The current Governor wants to screw everybody)
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To: Sir_Humphrey

bttt


6 posted on 06/04/2006 6:12:29 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: smoothsailing; Coop; freema; jazusamo; W04Man; xpertskir; bert; Old Sarge; NYleatherneck; ...
To his everlasting shame, Rep. John Murtha, a Democrat ..... accused Marines of having committed "cold-blooded murder," and their superiors of covering it up.

With NO facts, NO evidence, NO report.....just the musings of a senile old man.

MURTHA MUST GO! IREY - NOW MORE THAN EVER!

7 posted on 06/04/2006 6:25:36 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: smoothsailing

I think it's about time that someone Swiftboated this piece of crap Murtha.


8 posted on 06/04/2006 6:28:33 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: Just A Nobody

BTTT


9 posted on 06/04/2006 6:29:35 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: freema

BTTT


10 posted on 06/04/2006 6:29:44 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Sir_Humphrey

Retire Murtha -

DIANA IREY for CONGRESS
600 Park Avenue
Monongahela, PA 15063

Phone: 724-258-2300
Fax: 724-258-8600
Email: Diana@Irey.com

http://www.irey.com/


11 posted on 06/04/2006 6:43:55 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: jpl; Sir_Humphrey
I think it's about time that someone Swiftboated this piece of crap Murtha.

A lot of us are trying desperately, but we need help.

Donate to Murtha's opponent - Diana Irey
Have veterans sign up on W04Man's roll call for veterans for Irey and against Murtha

12 posted on 06/04/2006 6:49:49 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: freema

Let's see now. The word of a townspeople that are being controlled by insurgents is being taken, over the word of our very own Marines, who are there, by the way to free that country of insurgent control. And those Iraqui tonspeople simply have utter control over all they say and do. There are no insurgents threatening them to say damning things about the Marines. Oh by gosh, by golly, that just makes perfect sense. I must have been whistlin' dixie to think otherwise...


13 posted on 06/04/2006 7:24:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: smoothsailing

WW2 had Tokyo Rose, Viet Nam had Hanoi Jane, now the war on (Islamic) terror has Mecca Murtha.


14 posted on 06/04/2006 7:33:16 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (ELECT SOME WORKERS AND REMOVE THE JERKERS!.)
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To: freema

One of the facts that has been recently omitted about this battle was that it lasted for 5 hours after the initial attack.

as easily as the terrorists can execute school children (todays news) and women and children with car bombs at a market.....then why should we not also believe the terrorists killed women and children (if there is any truth to this so called massacre)?

Even if the Marines find no wrong doing in their investigation, the media will echo cover up regardless of the real truth. For the media will manufacture whatever story they feel fills the need for filler on an otherwise blank paper.


15 posted on 06/04/2006 7:40:29 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (ELECT SOME WORKERS AND REMOVE THE JERKERS!.)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

I just can't believe this. If I were to say that I hope John Murtha is massacred in this next election, will I be in the same boat as that poor ignorant dem who said George Bush should be murdered in the next election? or in the same boat as poor ignorant John Murtha who accuses Marines of a massacre without a complete investigation? while Marines have been killed in ambush in Haditha and American weapons have been seized?

This investigation better get wrapped up soon.


16 posted on 06/04/2006 7:41:19 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: o_zarkman44

So many facts omitted and twisted.


Where's the outrage over this Iraqi school bus story? Where's the real reporting on a possible connection between that school bus and the school bus in Tampa?

http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBMTMWRGNE.html




17 posted on 06/04/2006 7:49:55 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: smoothsailing
Bump, and DUMP MURTHA!


18 posted on 06/04/2006 7:55:33 AM PDT by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! NOW.... PLEASE STAY THE COURSE!)
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To: W04Man

Nice site! :-)


19 posted on 06/04/2006 7:58:14 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: freema

...Yes you would, if you wished the same on that pig-face Murfa as he has done for many others. Remember, whatever criteria you judge others by, you too shall be judged. Judge not, lest we be judged. I just call Murfa, a fat pig and let it go at that. God is the Judge and he will take care of Murfa and his fly-away mouth. Besides, Diana Irey is going for Congresswoman in Murfa's place. If God wants that little Demon outta there, He'll make certain Irey becomes Pennsylvania's representative...


20 posted on 06/04/2006 7:59:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
If God wants that little Demon outta there, He'll make certain Irey becomes Pennsylvania's representative...

In the meantime some of us plan on being God's little helpers in accomplishing that task!

21 posted on 06/04/2006 8:00:21 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Okay, then I won't say it ; )


22 posted on 06/04/2006 8:04:01 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Okay, then I won't say it ; )


23 posted on 06/04/2006 8:04:02 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Coop

Godspeed to God's lil' helpers!!


24 posted on 06/04/2006 8:04:56 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: smoothsailing
Mr. Kelly seems to want to give the Marines a fair shake but he does make a few mistakes.

"The report said 15 Iraqi civilians were killed in the blast. That wasn't true. Autopsies indicated the 15 civilians -- four of them women and four of them children -- had all suffered gunshot wounds.

We have no idea what the initial report says. Were autopsies done on these people and by whom? The doctor who had been held for aiding and abetting terrorists? So we are to take the terrorists word that these people were shot by Americans? If they were shot could it have been by the terrorists? Is it possible they were used as human shields by the terrorists?

"Criminal charges are likely to be filed against the 13 Marines in the squad involved in the shootings."

Where does he get this information? There has been no official word that a crime has even been committed.

"From what little we know of the case, it seems the Marines were guilty of a hot-blooded over-reaction. Perhaps some Marines committed murder. But perhaps it was manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide."

It seems the Marines were guilty of hot-blooded over-reaction? Mr. Kelly is pronouncing them guilty without knowing the facts? The author may have meant to give the Marines fair treatment but he missed the boat.

25 posted on 06/04/2006 8:10:34 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: o_zarkman44

Alas, we have far too many clones of Tokyo Rose--not only in the media and entertainment industry, but holding important seats in our government. We are being attacked from without and within, from every direction.


26 posted on 06/04/2006 8:15:39 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: smoothsailing
Murtha has no shame. He is not worthy of being a United States Congressman. He should be one of the first to give these Marines the benefit of the doubt, instead he gives insurgents and terrorists of the world the benefit of an American elected official spewing their propaganda. He has forfeited his right to call himself a Marine.
27 posted on 06/04/2006 8:25:53 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Coop; W04Man
I gotta get some of these!


28 posted on 06/04/2006 8:42:29 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: Eagles6
But the author continues:

And maybe they're innocent. Haditha's a hotbed of insurgent activity. Perhaps the Marines were receiving fire from the houses, as they claimed.

If the Marines under suspicion are found guilty of murder or manslaughter, they should be punished severely. But they deserve the presumption of innocence until then.

The author's assumptions that you note are sloppy, Eagle,and unsourced,it's true. But I don't see where you get "Mr.Kelly is pronouncing them guilty".

29 posted on 06/04/2006 8:57:17 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing
"From what little we know of the case, it seems the Marines were guilty of a hot-blooded over-reaction. Perhaps some Marines committed murder. But perhaps it was manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide."

I am familiar with Mr. Kelley's work. He is a token conservative in The Pittsburgh Putz Gazette, also known as Pravda at the Point. He writes some good stuff and is generally on point. I think he has made some mistakes here and has undermined his own case.

As I said, I believe that he was trying to give the Marines fair treatment but it he seems to have been swayed, subconsciously I hope, by the msm blitzkreig.

30 posted on 06/04/2006 9:10:44 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6
I'm familiar with his writing as well.The same article appeared in yesterday's Toledo Blade under the title "Smearing The Troops".

The two papers are owned by the same Ohio based company.Kelly's weekly op/eds always run in the Blade first on Saturday followed by the PG on Sunday.

The editorial staff of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review gets a kick out of calling the PG the Toledo Block and Bugler.

Cheers!

31 posted on 06/04/2006 9:49:53 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

Take care.


32 posted on 06/04/2006 9:55:53 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: smoothsailing

bttt


33 posted on 06/04/2006 11:23:41 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Coop

That's how the task gets done!


34 posted on 06/04/2006 11:34:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: smoothsailing
I was just a boy when John Murtha came to my village in a Blackhawk helicopter. Murtha fired at the oil fields and they lit up like the eyes of Allah. Burning oil rained down from the sky and cooked everything it touched. I could only hide myself and cry as my goats were consumed by the fiery black liquid death. In the midst of the chaos, I could swear that I heard my goats screaming for help. As quickly as he had come, Murtha was gone. It was on that day I put a jihad on him. And if you don't believe it, then you'd better kill me now, because I'll put a jihad on you, too.




35 posted on 06/04/2006 12:04:10 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot George Soro's eyes.)
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To: Just A Nobody

Get rid of all Dem's less hassle.
Thanks for the pig Justa.
[Mrs T]


36 posted on 06/04/2006 4:22:39 PM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: Willie Green

Still pimping for your boyfriend, Johnny Murtha?


37 posted on 06/04/2006 4:51:31 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: smoothsailing; Calpernia; Just A Nobody; Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

"Insurgents in Haditha executed 19 Shiite fishermen and National Guardsmen in a sports stadium."


Our Marines did not kill these people.

The terrorists did.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005321.htm


38 posted on 06/04/2006 8:46:27 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: W04Man


39 posted on 06/04/2006 8:48:52 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: trooprally

Amen! Have you signed up at vets4irey yet? ;*)

http://www.vets4irey.com/


40 posted on 06/04/2006 10:02:46 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody

I sure did thanks for the PING!!
[Mrs T]


41 posted on 06/05/2006 4:38:29 AM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: trooprally

Good Deal! ;*)


42 posted on 06/05/2006 6:15:14 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: smoothsailing

Dump Murtha! Click the logo and donate to Diana Irey for Congress!

43 posted on 06/05/2006 10:42:18 AM PDT by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: smoothsailing

Oh no, we musn't believe the marines who said they were under fire and so they fired back. That must be a lie. The MSM said so, and so did the ultra-ambitious Iraqui journalist who works for TIME magazine. And of course there's the source of the journalist, who just happens to live in the insurgent-occupied town of Haditha. No one in that town could possibly be under a threat that they'll be toast if they don't lie about the marines. Nope. It just musta been that the marines just had nothing better to do that day, for we must all keep in sync with the hysteria...


44 posted on 06/05/2006 10:53:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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