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Islam not violent, Toronto Muslims say ["This is not about religion or faith,"...]
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Posted on 06/04/2006 4:57:00 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

slam not violent, Toronto Muslims say Last Updated Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:13:53 EDT CBC News

Muslim leaders and police took pains Sunday to distinguish between the religion of Islam and the 17 people accused of plotting bomb attacks in Ontario. 'This is not the action of the Muslim community,' Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said during a press conference held Sunday. (CBC)

"Canadian Muslims absolutely condemn an act of violence or threat of violence," Muhammad Alam, president of the Islamic Foundation of Toronto, told a crowded hall where many Muslims expressed concern about the arrests.

"This is not about religion or faith," but about political and social situations around the world, he said.

Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair agreed, saying the accused were motivated by an ideology based on politics and violence, not by faith. "This is not the action of the Muslim community."

The Muslim leaders thanked Blair for his assurances that the police would try to protect Muslims from angry responses to the arrests. Vandals who damaged a Toronto mosque overnight may have been motivated by hatred after the arrests earlier in the weekend, Blair said.

Sheik Hussein Patel, representing the Canadian Council of Muslim Theologians, a group of more than 100 scholars, thanked the police for making the arrests.

"Any threat to Canada poses a threat to Muslims in Canada as well," he said, adding that the group is concerned that the accused were resorting to "anti-Islamic behaviour."

On its website, the group posted a statement saying if the allegations are true, "then this is a wake-up call, especially for Muslim leaders and parents, that more must be done to ensure that our children do not get involved in activities that are contrary to the teachings of Islam."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: religiousbigotry
Students "executed" as Iraq violence rages on

By Fredrik Dahl and Michael GeorgySun Jun 4, 2:15 PM ET

Gunmen in Iraq dragged 24 people, mostly teenage students, from vehicles and shot them dead, police said, as violence raged in the country on Sunday.

Iraqi leaders appeared deadlocked on naming new interior and defense ministers seen as critical to restoring stability in a country bloodied by relentless insurgent and sectarian killings.

Police said gunmen manning a makeshift checkpoint near Udhaim stopped cars approaching the small town 120 km (80 miles) north of Baghdad and killed passengers.

The victims included youths of around 15-16 years who were on their way to the bigger regional town of Baquba to write end of term exams, but also elderly men, they said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060604/ts_nm/iraq_dc;_ylt=AlCvAAwjyS0a88sWSTnvZZ1Z.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

[Yeah right............ROP types.]

1 posted on 06/04/2006 4:57:06 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

For a great article about Islam and the harlot of Babylon go to yourarmstoisrael.org and select "sermon notes" and pull up "The Final End Time Beast". Spotting the anti-Messiah-Saudi Arabia-Mecca.


2 posted on 06/04/2006 5:02:08 PM PDT by Lewite (Praise YAHWEH and Proclaim His Wonderful Name! Islam, the end time Beast-the harlot of Babylon.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Like, do any of these peaceful Muslims go to Bridge Clubs in Toronto? There must be a Bridge Club or two in Toronto. Do they go to Blue Jays games or Maple Leaf games? I'm just wondering.

ML/NJ

3 posted on 06/04/2006 5:05:50 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Sub-Driver

And again - Religion of Pieces.


4 posted on 06/04/2006 5:06:53 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Sub-Driver
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims.
5 posted on 06/04/2006 5:08:33 PM PDT by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: Sub-Driver

They're full of shi'ite!


6 posted on 06/04/2006 5:08:48 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair agreed, saying the accused were motivated by an ideology based on politics and violence, not by faith.

Being in denial will only allow the disease to become pandemic.

7 posted on 06/04/2006 5:09:08 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: petercooper
MUSLIMS


8 posted on 06/04/2006 5:09:41 PM PDT by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: petercooper

Yup. Looks like a bunch of Lutherans from Minnesota to me.


9 posted on 06/04/2006 5:13:08 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw
Yep. Just the kind of folks you see every year at the lutefisk dinners. LOL!
10 posted on 06/04/2006 5:14:43 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Sub-Driver
Locate the terrorist cells in your neighborhood:

IslamicFinder

11 posted on 06/04/2006 5:15:38 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: sheik yerbouty
They're full of shi'ite!

tee hee

12 posted on 06/04/2006 5:21:19 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: hsalaw
Yup. Looks like a bunch of Lutherans from Minnesota to me.

gosh - took the words right outta my mouth :O)

13 posted on 06/04/2006 5:22:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: Sub-Driver

I tire easily of hearing leaders try to claim Islam is a religion of peace. That just is a downright lie.


14 posted on 06/04/2006 5:23:03 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Sub-Driver
"This is not about religion or faith

Allah be praised. That's good news /s

15 posted on 06/04/2006 5:24:57 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: Sub-Driver
This is not the action of the Muslim community

"Canadian Muslims absolutely condemn an act of violence or threat of violence,"

and we will keep saying things like this until the temperature of the water has risen enough for you in the West, so that it will be easy as Camel Pie for us to rule, as it is our right as specified by our Holy one (PBUH)

16 posted on 06/04/2006 5:28:12 PM PDT by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: maine-iac7
only in Kannada eh? fancy that.. the fag frog Trudeau is laughing from his grave, they painted him as a god like Mao, look at the mess he created, Toronto now has largest "Gay parade in the world, daily gun battles, and now the towel heads almost blew up the subway system! Vive l' quebec libre!
17 posted on 06/04/2006 5:32:56 PM PDT by wiseone
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To: Sub-Driver

Where's the picture of the protest sign: "Behead those who claim Islam is violent" ?


18 posted on 06/04/2006 5:41:11 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Sub-Driver


Koran in its own words:

* "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
* "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:29)
* "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
* "Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (Qur'an 60:4)
* Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do. (Qur'an 8:37-39)
* And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. (Qur'an 2:193)
* "Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:123)
* "For he who believes in the Trinity, "the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." Qur'an (5:72-73)

-http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-not-peaceful.htm


19 posted on 06/04/2006 5:44:10 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

I don't see members of any other religion who are on a world-wide Jihad. As long as the Koran contains intolerant, bigoted, violence provoking dictates, a certain number of Muslims will take it literally and act upon it.


20 posted on 06/04/2006 5:50:29 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth to a Liberal, is like a crucifix to a vampire))))
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To: Sub-Driver

21 posted on 06/04/2006 5:51:53 PM PDT by kcar
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To: Sub-Driver
>There is a reason why Islamic and Arab states don’t encourage, carry out, or allow polling of their populations: of what use would such data be to the regimes since there are no democratically elected nations among the two or three dozen Islamic states in existence today (with the recent exceptions of Afghanistan and the Palestinian Authority, where an internationally recognized Islamist terrorist group, Hamas, was democratically elected)?

But in The End of Faith , Sam Harris shares the results (and implications) of one scientific poll that was done in the minority of Arab/Islamic states that allowed polling— "Over 38,000 people recently participated in a global survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. The results constitute the first publication of its Global Attitudes Project entitled ‘What the World Thinks in 2002.’ The survey included the following questions, posed only to Muslims:

Some people think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Other people believe that, no matter what the reason, this kind of violence is never justified. Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified?

Before we look at the results of this study, we should appreciate the significance of the juxtaposed phrases ‘suicide bombing’ and ‘civilian targets.’ We now live in a world in which Muslims have been scientifically polled (with margins of error ranging from 2 to 4 percent) as to whether they support (‘often,’ ‘sometimes,’ rarely,’ or ‘never’) the deliberate murder and maiming of noncombatant men, women, and children in defense of Islam. Here are some of the results of the Pew study (not all percentages sum to 100):

SUICIDE BOMBING IN DEFENSE OF ISLAM Justifiable?

  Yes No DK/Refused
Lebanon
73
21
6
Ivory Coast
56
44
0
Nigeria
47
45
8
Bangladesh
44
37
19
Jordan
43
48
8
Pakistan
33
43
23
Mali
32
57
11
Ghana
30
57
12
Uganda
29
63
8
Senegal
28
69
3
Indonesia 27 70 3
Turkey
13
73
14

"If you do not find these numbers sufficiently disturbing, consider that places like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Iran, Sudan, Iraq, and the Palestinian territories were not included in the survey. Had they been, it is safe to say, the Lebanese would have lost their place at the top of the list several times over. Suicide bombing also entails suicide , of course, which most Muslims believe is expressly forbidden by God. Consequently, had the question been ‘Is it ever justified to target civilians in defense of Islam,’ we could expect even greater Muslim support for terrorism.

"But the Pew results are actually bleaker than the above table indicates. A closer look at the data reveals that the pollsters skewed their results by binning the responses ‘rarely justified’ and ‘never justified’ together, thus giving a false sense of Muslim pacifism. Take another look at the data from Jordan: 43 percent of Jordanians apparently favor terrorism, while 48 percent do not. The problem, however, is that 22 percent of Jordanians actually responded ‘rarely justified,’ and this accounts for nearly half of their ‘No’ responses. ‘Rarely justified’ still means that under certain circumstances, these respondents would sanction the indiscriminate murder of noncombatants (plus suicide), not as an accidental by-product of a military operation, but as its intended outcome. A more accurate picture of Muslim tolerance for terrorism emerges when we focus on the percentage of respondents who could not find it in their hearts to say ‘never justified’ (leaving aside the many people who still lurk in the shadows of ‘Don’t Know/Refused’). If we divide the data in this way, the sun of modernity sets even further over the Muslim world:

SUICIDE BOMBING IN DEFENSE OF ISLAM Is It Ever Justifiable?

  Yes No DK/Refused
Lebanon
82
12
6
Ivory Coast
73
27
0
Nigeria
66
26
8
Bangladesh
58
23
19
Jordan
65
26
8
Pakistan
38
38
23
Mali
54
35
11
Ghana
44
43
12
Uganda
40
52
8
Senegal
47
50
3
Indonesia 43 54 3
Turkey
20
64
14
Quoted by Dan Simmons

http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_05.htm
22 posted on 06/04/2006 5:55:23 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: wiseone
Yes - Trudeau's legacy = Harper will have a hard time cleaning up the mess left behind - as Bush is having here...

Trouble is, at least here, Bush is being blamed and vilified for the things Jimmah and clintoone set in motion, either directly or by default

23 posted on 06/04/2006 6:01:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: Sub-Driver

So just ask them, "Do you condemn those Muslims?"

They will never answer that. They are not allowed to.


24 posted on 06/04/2006 6:50:36 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: Sub-Driver; All
Everything I've found so far is here:


Terror Strike Toronto ( Aborted! )

25 posted on 06/05/2006 2:09:45 AM PDT by backhoe
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