The Questionable Sources For Time’s Haditha Scoop

Sweetness & Light ^ | June 5, 2006 | N/A

[Sam Hill]

Time Magazine reveals its "painstaking" efforts to get the facts of the Haditha story:

How Haditha Came to Light

By JEFFREY KLUGER

Sunday, Jun 4, 2006

The Haditha killings occurred last November, but it wasn't until January that TIME first heard whispers about them. The initial account of the incident was published in March in the magazine and on TIME.com The manner in which TIME got the story and the painstaking way the facts revealed themselves illustrate the challenges of trying to cover a dangerous, deadly conflict where the truth isn't always what it appears to be.

If the Marines are indeed guilty of an atrocity, they had the ill fortune to have committed their crime in the worst possible place: outside the front door of a budding Iraqi journalist and human-rights activist. Taher Thabet, 43, was at home in Haditha on the morning of Nov. 19 when around 7:15 he heard the detonation of the roadside bomb that struck a Marine humvee, killing the driver, Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas, 20. The blast shattered Thabet's windows. He ran outside in time to see Marines from three other humvees springing from their vehicles and heading for four homes on either side of the road. "They went into one house. I heard gunfire, explosions and screams," he told TIME in an interview in Baghdad last month. "Then they came out and went into another. I could only stand and watch."

The next morning, Thabet--who last year co-founded a small outfit called the Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring--went into the houses where the killings had taken place and videotaped what he saw, as well as the wrenching scenes later at the local morgue, where friends and family collected the bodies of the victims. "I didn't know what I was recording," he says. "I just felt I had to record everything I could see."

Thabet shared the VCD with the other members of the Hammurabi group, but for a time, news of the killings did not go further than that. Then, in mid-December, President George W. Bush announced the military's estimate that 30,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the start of the war. TIME's Tim McGirk, posted in Baghdad, began to investigate cases in which Iraqi civilians had been killed by U.S. troops. In the course of his reporting, he obtained a copy of Thabet's VCD. There was plenty in the grisly images to raise suspicions, including the U.S.-issued body bags into which the victims were zipped and the scattering of shells that appeared to have come from Marine rifles.

McGirk contacted Marine headquarters in Ramadi to inquire about the incident. The Marines sent back an e-mail saying there were 15 civilian deaths in Haditha on Nov. 19 but that the victims were killed by the roadside bomb and by a firefight that erupted when insurgents fired on the Marines. But the videotape showed that many of the dead were pajama-clad women and children. The bodies had wounds from bullets, not shrapnel, and the scene suggested that they had been murdered inside their homes.

In the ensuing weeks, McGirk and TIME's Baghdad staff members interviewed more than a dozen Haditha locals by e-mail (travel between Baghdad and Haditha is exceedingly dangerous for Iraqis, let alone foreign journalists), including the mayor, the morgue doctor and a local lawyer who negotiated a settlement between the Marines and the families under which the military agreed to pay $2,500 compensation apiece for some of the victims--mostly the women and children. Several survivors visited TIME's Baghdad bureau, including a man in his 20s whose four brothers were killed and an orphaned girl who is now the sole caretaker of her 8-year-old brother. The bureau was also pursuing leads that a 12-year-old girl had survived the attack by playing dead. In interviews, Thabet filled in details about what he witnessed before he began shooting his VCD.

In early February, McGirk presented this evidence to, and asked for comment from, Lieut. Colonel Barry Johnson, U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad. Johnson viewed the VCD, listened to the accounts and responded straightforwardly, "I think there's enough here for a full and formal investigation." Army Colonel Gregory Watt was dispatched to Haditha to conduct a three-week probe in which he interviewed Marines, survivors and doctors at the morgue.

At that point, TIME's Aparisim Ghosh joined the efforts in Baghdad, asking the U.S. military for more information even as the preliminary investigation was continuing. Lacking any official U.S. response to the allegations, TIME chose not to publish an article on the episode in Haditha based solely on the eyewitnesses' accounts. On March 14, a U.S. military official in Baghdad familiar with the Watt probe finally responded to Ghosh. According to the official, the probe concluded that the civilians were in fact killed by Marines and not by an insurgent's bomb--but that the deaths appeared to be the result of "collateral damage" rather than malicious intent. Nevertheless, the official told Ghosh, the matter had been handed over to a criminal investigation. Over the next five days, the reporting by McGirk and Ghosh continued to be reviewed by TIME editors and Pentagon correspondent Sally B. Donnelly. TIME's story "One Morning in Haditha" was published on March 19 on TIME.com and appeared the next day in the print magazine (which carried a March 27 cover date). The Haditha episode began to receive wider coverage last month, when members of Congress revealed that Pentagon and military officials had disclosed that Marines may be charged in connection with the alleged massacre and that a cover-up might have taken place.

If there is any beneficiary at all of the tragedy, it is Hammurabi, the human-rights group, which is flooded with new volunteers and free to do its work more aggressively. Still, Thabet says his thoughts are mostly with the 24 who died. "Nobody cares about what happens to ordinary Iraqis," he says. They do now.

This article, "How Haditha Came To Light," started out by promising to tell us all about how this story came to be uncovered:

The manner in which TIME got the story and the painstaking way the facts revealed themselves illustrate the challenges of trying to cover a dangerous, deadly conflict where the truth isn't always what it appears to be.

Notice how Time tries to downplay human agency behind the story. "Haditha came to light." "The facts revealed themselves." One can see why.

Times "sources" are quite suspect. And this article raises more questions about them than it answers.

Why didn't the "budding journalist" Taher Thabet and "human rights watcher" wait until the next day to videotape this alleged atrocity? One that happened on his very doorstep?

Then, after going to the trouble to videotape it, why didn't Thabet turn over this video of such an obviously newsworthy event to a media outlet or a real human rights group?

And why can't Time even can't tell us whether Thabet gave it to them? Or who did? Is Time afraid it would tend to discredit their story?

And note that Time doesn't tell us anything more about Taher Thabet himself.

But you can imagine the politics of a person who set up the (probably one man) "Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring Organization."

If there is any beneficiary at all of the tragedy, it is [Thabet's newly founded] Hammurabi, the human-rights group, which is flooded with new volunteers and free to do its work more aggressively. Still, Thabet says his thoughts are mostly with the 24 who died. "Nobody cares about what happens to ordinary Iraqis," he says. They do now.

Clearly Mr. Thabet has a mission. One suspects he is blindly anti-American, in view of the US blood and money spent trying to help "ordinary Iraqis."

Ironically, Time claims it was too dangerous for Tim McGirk to go to Haditha, which they neglect to point out is the citadel of the Sunni "insurgency."

And yet, this is the same Tim McGirk who celebrated Thanksgiving with the Taliban just two months after 9.11.

Still, look at the sources Mr. McGirk courageously "interviewed" by email:

In the ensuing weeks, McGirk and TIME's Baghdad staff members interviewed more than a dozen Haditha locals by e-mail (travel between Baghdad and Haditha is exceedingly dangerous for Iraqis, let alone foreign journalists), including the mayor, the morgue doctor and a local lawyer who negotiated a settlement between the Marines and the families...

The "mayor" is the mayor of the Sunni insurgent stronghold where only 150 people out of 90,000 dared to vote in the Oct. 15 constitutional referendum. The mayor holds his job solely at the pleasure of the terrorists who are in total control of Haditha.

The "morgue doctor," Dr. Walid Abdul-Khaleq al-Obeidi, claims to have been arrested, held prisoner for a week and brutally beaten by US troops. From his remarks in interviews it is clear he hates the US. And of course he too only holds his job as the head of the Haditha hospital at the sufferance of the Sunni "insurgents."

The "local lawyer," Khaled Salem Rsayef, claims to have had several relatives murdered by the Marines. He also wants further compensation for himself and his clients. Which he will surely get if the Marines are found guilty.

These are the kind of sources Time trusted for such an important story. But for some reason they didn't tell us about their backgrounds.

I guess we don't need to know.

[Sam Hill]

It was ever thus.

[Sam Hill]

A "questionable sources" ping.

[Jameison]

"These are the kind of sources Time trusted for such an important story. But for some reason they didn't tell us about their backgrounds."

Now why am I not surprised?
Anything to smear our troops and undermine President Bush will do, eh Time magazine?
What pathetic bunch of losers.

[Miss Marple]

Aside from the backgrounds of the three interviewed, the reporter can't really tell us if the e-mails he received were from those three with answers freely given (and not typed in while a terorist held a gun to their heads) or if the terrorists simply answered the e-mail queries themselves.

[freema]

Must read.

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

The story has a stench to it.

[Robert A. Cook, PE]

These stories will never be reported by the MSM, so we need to keep them ourselves as references.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT

[ClaireSolt]

Well, by golly, is Cindy Sheehan collecting donations for those terrorists, too?

[ballplayer]

" Nobody cares about ordinary Iraqis ,now they do" Interesting ,when the terrorists butcher families because they help the americans where is this crusader with his video camera? Under his bed .\Its about time for these scumbags to decide whos side they want to be on

[Always Right]

Gee, you don't think these Islamic Terrorists might slaughter people and try to make it look like the US did it. Who knows what happened, but that doesn't stop Time from running the propaganda of the terrorists.

[bcsco]

Bookmark for later read.

[RobFromGa]

bump

[browardchad]

This is a town where DVD's of almost daily beheadings and disembowelings are distributed to kids like cartoons, but they are just so very traumatized by the supposed Marine atrocities that they can't bring themselves to exhume the bodies of the alleged victims.

Why? I think we can guess the answer.

[armydawg1]

Apparently the Embedded reporter program is too dangerous for Time Magazine. Just like solid journalism techniques are too dangerous for Time Magazine....they might find the truth with such practices.

[Mo1]

In the ensuing weeks, McGirk and TIME's Baghdad staff members interviewed more than a dozen Haditha locals by e-mail

Didn't Murtha say power & electricity was so bad over there, that they only rec'd an hour a day of it

But they can send emails?

[W04Man]

Why are we now not hearing some of this about their sources on our friendly Fox News?

http://Vets4Irey.com

[smoothsailing]

Bloggers catch UK Times in Marines photo smear

[wolfcreek]

There must some dumb-ass Leftist think-tank somewhere that sits around dreaming up new ways to bring down our troops and the Admin. As far as I can see, they've covered most of the bases.

[mo]

IMHO, this will continue until some tort attorney with a set of stones, takes on those repsonsible for perpetrating and propagating journalistic malpractice with consequent pain and suffering to the victims and their families....

[mo]

IMHO, this will continue until some tort attorney with a set of stones, takes on those repsonsible for perpetrating and propagating journalistic malpractice with consequent pain and suffering to the victims and their families....

[VRWCtaz]

"Still, Thabet says his thoughts are mostly with the 24 who died. "Nobody cares about what happens to ordinary Iraqis," he says. They do now."

I thought only 15 of the 24 were "ordinary Iraqis" and that the other nine were confirmed terrorist. But I guess that depends on this Thabet's point of view.

[Valin]

Begs the question, why the terrorists allow Taher Thabet to live in Haditha.

[Valin]

We don't know much about this....yet, but I've got a feeling that you're correct.

[Peach]

I find it almost impossible to believe that Marine commanders were in the field in the months following the shootings and didn't hear anything from neighbors. This smells like a set up to me.

[Marine_Uncle]

"Must read."
Thanks. All we obvioulsy can do is wait for the outcome and hope these Marines are all vindicated in the end.
This article just adds more suspicious stuff we had read in a few earlier articles posted at FR.

[Marine_Uncle]

I should have added. My nephew in both his tours basically had the same thing to say. They simply could not trust almost every Iraqi they came into contact with. Only in his second tour did he indicate they where then working with some pretty good Iraqi soldiers. Of course at that point some Iraqi army units where actually working side by side with our guys.
He actually paid compliment to one Iraqi lietentant, said the guy was very good. Sadly this guy left for leave and got shot by the goons while visiting his family on leave.
But majority of Iraqi people they had to come into contact, simply where not to be trusted. Things probably are changing at this point in the SASO in some areas as we read various articles quoting army and Marines.

[pissant]

It does not matter that the "witnesses" are lying terror-sympathizers. All that matters to Time is that they fit their agenda. That is exactly what occurred.

[Velveeta]

>>>>Why didn't the "budding journalist" Taher Thabet and "human rights watcher" wait until the next day to videotape this alleged atrocity? One that happened on his very doorstep?<<<<

Bears repeating.

[kcvl]

Tim McGirk, who shepherded the original story which broke in January, moved last month to be Jerusalem's bureau chief, while the other principal architect of the story, Bobby Ghosh, is now the Baghdad bureau chief.


This week, veteran Time reporter in Iraq, Michael Ware, who spent more than three years in the war-torn country, said he is jumping to CNN as a TV correspondent in Baghdad.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...



(Tim McGirk is the South Asia correspondent for The Independent, London.)

Back in the days of Genghis Khan (he's still referred to respectfully as "Mr Genghis" in Mazar-e-Sharif), buzkashi was played with prisoners of war instead of a dead animal.

http://tinyurl.com/gvplh

[MizSterious]

Do you by any chance have the timeline on this? I vaguely recall a Freeper posting the dates--the event itself, the arrival of the US investigators, and so on down the line.

The reason I ask is, on Fox last Saturday, the two lefties on the show claimed that if Time had not broken this story, that there would have been no investigation. I've heard that theory repeated several times over the weekend on several talking head shows. The time line I saw indicated that this incident had been under investigation almost from the beginning--but then, maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

[MizSterious]

Michelle Malkin suggests that might be at least part of what happened here. She has pictures on her website that should call this whole story into question. So far, they haven't.

[MizSterious]

Because Fox is MSM. Except for Brit Hume, there's little difference between FNC and CNN.

[kcvl]

Tim McGirk
Humanitarian IssuesWhen Bad Information Kills People
Tim McGirk | Time Magazine | March 3, 2002
"At 10:30 p.m., the first bombs struck the party; the assault lasted six hours. The next day, a team of special forces arrived in Qila-Niazi to inspect what was thought to have been a triumphant blow against Osama bin Laden's network. Instead it found the remains of [a] party. Out of 112 people, two women had survived." [more]


AfghanistanWhy Doesn't the CIA Want to Talk to a Top Ex-Taliban?
Tim McGirk | Time Magazine | February 15, 2002
"Mullah Abdulsamata Khaksar has been waiting months for the CIA to talk to him. The former deputy Interior Minister of the Taliban says he has a lot of information to give up, perhaps even some that will lead to Mullah Omar, the fugitive leader of Afghanistan's fallen regime and chief ally of Osama bin Laden. But, until Time alerted U.S. military officials in Kabul in late January of his willingness to talk, no American officials had debriefed Khaksar." [more]


John Sifton of Human Rights Watch told TIME's Tim McGirk,

Time learned about the Haditha action in January, when it obtained a copy of Thabet’s videotape from an Iraqi human-rights group. But a Marine spokesman brushed off any inquiries. “To be honest,” Marine Captain Jeff Pool e-mailed McGirk, “I cannot believe you’re buying any of this. This falls into the same category of aqi (al-Qaeda in Iraq) propaganda.”

Time correspondent Tim McGirk, who broke the Haditha story, said that in the weeks before publication, he had lobbied editors to use the word “massacre” in the March 27 story.

“That was a battle I lost,” Mr. McGirk said by phone May 30 from Jerusalem, where he is currently based. “I think the editors felt ‘massacre’ was too heavy of a word. They didn’t want to use it; they felt there was some justification for what had happened.”

“I think it was definitely a massacre,” Mr. McGirk said.

http://tinyurl.com/mmmue


Tim McGirk. “Nothing can bring back all that was taken from 9-year-old Eman Waleed on that fateful day last November. She still does not comprehend how, when her father went in to pray with the Koran for the family's safety, his prayers were not answered, as they had been so many times in the past. ‘He always prayed before, and the Americans left us alone,’ she says. Leaving, she grabs a handful of candy. ‘It's for my little brother,’ she says.” Her brother, very terrorized, very traumatized.

[MizSterious]

"Instead it found the remains of [a] party."

So this was one of the reporters trying to push the "wedding party" story? No wonder the Haditha story stinks to holy high heaven. This guy has always had an agenda.

[Sam Hill]

>>>>Why didn't the "budding journalist" Taher Thabet and "human rights watcher" wait until the next day to videotape this alleged atrocity? One that happened on his very doorstep?<<<<

Bears repeating.

+++++

Also, from what I have seen of the videotape, Thabet didn't bother to tape much.

Just that one room, then the morgue.

Why not get more shots? There were supposed to be at least two houses involved, plus the taxi-cab on the street.

Why just the one room and the morgue?

[jazusamo]

Thanks for the post and ping.

Our judicial system seems to be skeptical of the truthfulness and validity of testimony from prejudiced witnesses. It's a shame that our MSM and people like Murtha don't realize there is a very good reason for that skepticism.

[Sam Hill]

"Begs the question, why the terrorists allow Taher Thabet to live in Haditha."

You're right, of course. Not a sparrow falls in that town without the the terrorists who control Haditha deciding whether it can or not.

I linked it in the article, but it really is worth emphasizing this story from the UK's (leftist) Guardian:

The Haditha Our Media Won’t Tell You About | Sweetness & Light
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/the-haditha-our-media-won

[Velveeta]

In addition, isn't it ironic that this "novice journalist" happens to start a human rights organization and an "atrocity" occurs right out his front window?

Also, fyi...Newsweek confirmed what we had suspected.

Little Iman had said: "EMAN WALID (through translator): I was planning to go to school. I was about to get out of bed. I knew the bomb would explode, so I covered my ears."
http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=haditha26206.htm


As confirmed by even Newsweek.....there was NO school that day - Saturday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13126262/site/newsweek/

[Sam Hill]

Do you think this is a news-worthy article? Or that it might have a bearing on activism?

Or should it be hidden away in the bloggers and personal section.

Every assertion made in the piece is substantiated.

I can't for the life of me see why this is not news and stories like this:

Hell's Once in a Lifetime Party! 6-6-6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1643692/posts

Are in the news section.

I thought FR had a purpose.

[jazusamo]

Also, fyi...Newsweek confirmed what we had suspected.

Great work Velveeta, it's one thing to read all these articles but quite another to put them all together and come up with facts such as this.

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

Prayers to the family of Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas, 20, for having to endure the constant degradation of the Marine unit their son was a proud member of...

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

TIME magazine has turned into such a pathetic, gossipy, scrawling excuse for a news source...

[Sam Hill]

"TIME magazine has turned into such a pathetic, gossipy, scrawling excuse for a news source..."

Yes.

That happened about thirty years ago.

[Velveeta]

Thank you.

[Bob]

In the course of his reporting, he obtained a copy of Thabet's VCD. There was plenty in the grisly images to raise suspicions, including the U.S.-issued body bags into which the victims were zipped and the scattering of shells that appeared to have come from Marine rifles.

Since we already know that Marines were sent in to remove the bodies, I don't find it the least bit surprising that they would have used "U.S.-issued body bags".

I seriously doubt the certainty of anyone being able to tell the source of spent cartridges from viewing a video tape. Unless extreme close-up shots were made, one rifle cartridge will look pretty much like any other one.

[Sam Hill]

McGirk and his co-reporter for this Haditha story, Aparisim Ghosh, claim to have superhuman abilities to see things in this videotape.

Check out this interview Ghosh did with the Communist propagandist, Amy Goodman on taxpayer supported Democracy Now:

Democracy Now! | Videotape Forces Pentagon to Investigate Claims U.S. Marines Shot Dead 15 Iraqi Civilians in Apparent Revenge Killings
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/1418210&mode=thread&tid=25

Ghosh claims to even be able to tell that no shots were exchanged because there were no bullet holes on the outside of the buildings.

If you've seen the stills from this video, you can see what a joke such a claim is.

But Ghosh (like McGirk) has his own agenda. And it has little to do with getting out the truth about this story.

[freema]

Jimminy Crickets, I thought you were referring to sadistic Viet Cong games during John Kerry's time. On second thought, what's the diff between then and now?

[freema]

I have seen a story about this that Time went out after this story. I sure wish I'd copied it. In essense, they did not simply 'obtain' a copy of the tape.

[Chieftain]

Read this article.