Posted on 06/05/2006 5:35:51 AM PDT by SJackson
When dealing with a generation of media that are unable to think of an American war without reflexively placing it into a Vietnam template, you just know that any opportunity to bend events into that mold will be irresistible. Such irrational but compulsive behavior is even more compelling when the newsmen are programmed to be anti-war, anti-US military, and anti-Bush.
So when the sandstorm hit eight days or so into Operation Iraqi Freedom they shrieked about a “quagmire.” When repugnant but highly localized misconduct took place at Abu Ghraib prison they elevated it to such prominence that it became a strategic defeat for America. When Marine Lieutenant Ilario Pantano was accused of murdering two men during combat operations in Iraq they called for his head, ultimately forcing him to leave the Marine Corps despite a court-martial acquittal, to the great loss of his service and his country.
And predictably when Iraq was not a quagmire, when Abu Ghraib was determined after multiple investigations not to be a result of administration policy but of poor supervision and individual misconduct, and when Lieutenant Pantano was trying to put his life together the same sanctimonious media scolds were absent without leave. Such is the parasitic life style they have chosen to live.
Now we are facing another investigation: a report that Marines allegedly killed up to 24 Iraqi civilians in a modest Sunni Triangle town of 90,000 called Haditha. The facts as we know them are limited: Marines have been operating in Haditha for some time and face the kind of entrenched terrorist resistance that characterized Fallujah and Tal Afar before they were liberated and returned to friendly Iraqi government control. On November 19, 2005 an IED exploded early on a morning patrol blowing one Marine in half, wounding several. From here on reports vary but official reports so far seem to confirm that the Marines received small arms fire from nearby houses and returned it. At some point the Marines stormed the houses, clearing them. Twenty four lay dead in the wake. Some were women and children.
For those of us who have been exposed to combat this brief summary yields more questions and answers. Of the dead how many were men, were they armed? Who were they, Iraqis or al Qaeda foreigners? Were the women or young people armed? What was found in the houses – weapons caches, explosives, jihadist materials? What kind of fire killed the Iraqis – long range, point-blank, or grenades? Were the wounds caused by US weapons or by AK-47s? These are just a few questions and answers to them will generate many more. But the point is that we need to have an idea of what happened before we have a rush to judgment. After all, these are America’s finest, the Marines who are all volunteers and who have risked their lives on a daily basis to defend us. They deserve at least the same presumption of innocence that we give to murders in the States, don’t they?
Apparently not, at least not in the eyes of media and certain human rights organizations. CNN, Time, mainstream and global media outlets, have convicted the US troops and are calling for punishment. They strain to make comparisons to the infamous Vietnam killings at My Lai. Marc Garlasco, of Human Rights Watch, told reporters recently, “What happened at Haditha appears to be outright murder. The Haditha massacre will go down as Iraq’s My Lai.” When Garlasco appeared on Sean Hannity’s radio show to discuss his views with Hannity and retired Marine colonel Oliver North, Garlasco immediately back-pedaled, admitting under questioning that he had “no idea of the facts” in the situation. Like his fellows he steadfastly refused to allow his ignorance to prevent him from judging the Marines. As one Marine said, “killers like O.J. Simpson and Scott Peterson received more respect from the press than our fellows are getting. It’s disgraceful.”
Nor do the Marines receive respect from one of their Corps veterans. Representative John Murtha (D-PA) who has a track record of insulting and slandering our troops has hit new lows. “These were wanton killings done in cold blood,” he told reporters, thereby passing judgment on a situation of which he is woefully ignorant. The anti-American media such as al Jazeera delights in Murtha quotations which boost terrorists’ morale as they prepare for their next strike against our troops.
So what was Haditha really? A pastoral Iraqi village filled with farmers and merchants trying to go about daily business? Maybe not. According to the Guardian Haditha was a “Sunni citadel” ruled by “brutal insurgents.” Murders, the British newspaper reports, took place daily at dawn on the Haqlania bridge. Victims, local Iraqis that the terrorists claimed were Coalition and Iraqi government “agents,” were beheaded with knives. Their prone bodies were left on display, pointed in the direction of Baghdad. If you were not a sufficiently early riser to catch the executions live, not to worry, you could get a DVD that afternoon in the local market. The terrorists give them out free.
Haditha is a “miniature Taliban-like state,” where the insurgents call all the shots. Who lives or who dies today is the most terrifying decision they make. With that power little wonder that civilians cooperate either out of fear, coercion, or the desire to be on the side of the knife wielders. Insurgents set the economic rules, the social mores – totally Sharia Islamic rules, by the way, and what news the people receive. Headscarves for women are mandatory, alcohol banned, music forbidden, and relations between the sexes closely monitored. Break the rules? You have a one-way trip to the bridge at dawn.
While a local group, Ansar al-Sunna ostensibly holds power, the real force is the al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al Zarqawi. Haditha is yet another example of what the entire country of Iraq will become if the U.S. pulls out precipitately. We ignored Afghanistan after the Soviet debacle to our bitter regret. Ignoring Iraq and turning it over to the murderous thugs like Zarqawi, giving him a bright population funded by billions in oil revenues, could be a suicide pact for America.
So in the face of such hellish conditions in which our Marines must slog their way through on a daily basis until the insurgents are killed, captured, or chased from the city, would it not seem charitable at the very least (forget legalities, that seems to obsess the media when discussing civil crimes but not apply to American military charges) to give our troops the benefit of the doubt until the facts in the case are known? We owe them that much. At the moment three independent investigations are ongoing, one by the Navy, another by Central Command, and a third by the Iraqi government.
The US military has proved that it polices itself well, despite hysterical muttering from the fever swamp left. There are Uniform Code of Military Justice procedures, similar to grand jury investigations, currently underway, that must be completed, reviewed, and recommendations forwarded before decisions to prosecute are made. While we wait for those investigations we would be respectful of our brave military by avoiding inflaming an already volatile Muslim population that will ultimately kill and wound more as a result of the hysterical, accusatory publicity.
That is certainly wistful thinking in regard to willful, venal politicians eager to win power by stepping on the bodies of American soldiers, and media willing to write stories with their blood. What can we do? Switch TV channels, cancel your subscription, and vote out those politicians who are so hungry for position that they would sacrifice the welfare of our soldiers to achieve it.
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Journalism is one of the most perverse professions out there.
It's hard to give the benefit of the doubt when the story told by the Marines changed.
read the article just above yours....who changed the 'story'? i say: "who the hell cares"?
Many of your little talking points have already fallen victim to inconvenient facts. Will any more? I don't know. But it's quite safe to say now that the horrible events at Haditha did NOT occur in the manner that Jack Murtha claims.
"willful, venal politicians eager to win power by stepping on the bodies of American soldiers, and media willing to write stories with their blood"
That says it all.
That is the dark side of our nation.
You can easily tell that the mainstream media has an agenda to paint Iraq in the same light as Vietnam. That's been going on from the start. That's why they're using events like this to refresh the publics hearing of the same terms used for Mei Lei and other things that happened in Vietnam. I still don't understand what part of "THESE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US ALL", they don't understand or are they all such died in the wool pacifists that no war will ever be justifiable to them.
Last week, I read a thank you from a friend's son who is stationed in Iraq. I can't quote or cite to the letter since I don't have permission to do so, but in his letter, this young man said to not believe what you see, read or hear. There are good things going on in Iraq. Unfortunately, those good things don't make the news. What's really shameful is that you don't hear Murtha say anything about them. I would have thought Murtha would have had enough sense, despite his misgivings on this war, to say something positive about the men and women serving over there, since he once served himself. But it seems that all he can talk about are the negatives, including this incident (which by the way still has not been fully investigated and no one has been arrested, tried or convicted for). Murtha is a shame, a disgrace to the uniform and the military he once served in.
because the msm is infested with young, indoctrinated products of the U.S. journalism schools which are in turn infested with American hating former '60's hippies who continue to try to destroy America. The situation will not change until they are all gone, or they get what they want. Then they will not have the opportunity nor freedom to write and publish destructive and salacious trash.
Don't you mean when a Marine public affairs officer that wasn't even there, had to change the story to correctly report what happened there from the few vague intiial reports he had recieved.
The least you could do is acknowledge that the intial reports were sketchy at best as they always are when repeated secondhand by uninvolved parties, like PAO's or the press.
FReepmail me if you'd like on or off the Irey/Murtha ping list.
BTTT
Doesn't fit the agenda.
What Marine told you a story? What unit was he from? Was him name Jack Murtha?
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Should we be surprised that during battle there might be some confusion? Given the choice between believing the accounts of our Marines or the accounts of Iraqis, I'll give more credence to the Marines. It's not hard for me at all.
Lets put it this way, Sen. Murtha is now a big hero over here.
What Murtha says is being played and replayed endlessly in the local media in both Malaysia and Indonesia.
What Sen. Murtha alleges has set off a frenzy of extrapolation in the local media and among the citizens here who are now seeing this as the desperate acts of US Marines who have been losing the war up to now.
The fire is starting to burn out of control - many of the sympathizers here are salivating seeing this as the proverbial "nail in the coffin" of America's military involvment in Iraq.
Another Mai Lai is what it is being called.
84 posted on 05/30/2006 10:08:15 PM PDT by expatguy
AGAIN...Where did all of the Americans go?
This is so bad..
the options are. Clear the Marines, the media screams coverup.
Convict the Marines, even if not guilty, the media screams about the cruelity of the Military.
You cant win with the Media and the Left. they both hate the Military and GWB. No matter what happens, you are srewed to the wall.
Good read.
Thanks for this post, good read.
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This wasn't during battle; it was afterwards.
I'm probably as pro-Iraq-war as they come. I think that the war has gone far better than could be reasonably expected, based on conditions extant in Iraq prior to the war.
Many of your little talking points have already fallen victim to inconvenient facts.
The singular inconvient fact is that the first after-action report said that the deceased were killed by shrapnel from an IED, when the evidence indicates something else. You can't make that report go away, although I'm sure there are a bunch of staff officers who wish it would.
I'm far less worried about the specifics of whether there was a massacre as to the question of whether false official reports were filed by commissioned officers. The United States military can survive the occasional bad apple in the ranks. It cannot survive an officer corps that turns away from service to the nation and instead turns to serving its own selfish interests.
I believe that's something that should be left up to the military officials conducting the investigation to determine. Until those results are made public, I for one will give them the benefit of the doubt, PERIOD.
Nobody's trying to make it go away. I've made it quite clear that in my mind that's what made this go from rumors from suspect sources to a serious investigation.
But it's still not evidence of guilt. Yet you're hanging on to that straw with a death grip.
As pro-Iraq as they come, huh? Sorry, I don't buy it, and I'm not in the mood to research your posts. But you don't come across as objective on these threads, so I have serious doubts as to your claim.
Wrong. False official statement is, in itself, a crime, and is admissable evidence of further criminality.
You have absolutely zero clue as to when it occurred.
Semper Fi! You're almost as much a disgrace to the Corps as Murtha.
After-action reports are, unsurprisingly, submitted after the action in question, which is how they got that name.
And "during battle" by definition means during the battle. See how easy it is to play your little games, Detective?
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What? Statements about what was happening weren't taken during battle? Unbelievable. It's a cover-up for sure, then.
ROTFL!
The statements made AFTER the battle were at variance with the evidence readily available at the time. Now, maybe you think it's OK for a commanding officer to make false reports up the chain of command, but I don't.
Prove it, Detective.
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Withholding judgment until all the evidence is in may be the same to you as OKing false reports, but it isn't to me. I do admire your pedestal, however.
Exhibit A: AAR statement. "They all died from the IED."
Exhibit B: Investigation findings leaking out from the Pentagon with the tacit approval of the OSD and JCS. "Uh, well, actually, it turns out a bunch of 'em died from gunshot wounds."
Shrapnel wounds and gunshot wounds are readily discernable from one another on a cursory visual inspection unless you're either blind and stupid, or just willfully blind.
Now, the USMC does have certain standards for enlistment or accepting a commission. They don't let blind people become Marines.
Q.E.D.
Good luck finding a judge allowing hearsay to be marked as exhibits. I didn't ask for your thoughts. I asked for evidence. Show me the AAR. Show me this follow-on report, not some leaks from your buddies at Camp Pendleton.
You can't? Oh. So you don't really know squat, just like the rest of us.
And even if you can scrape up these "exhibits," you can't prove intent.
Pendleton is a Marine base, yet you claim to be former Army, but the LeadMod implies you're Poohbah resurrected, and Poohbah made a big deal of his USMC heritage. I'd say my case is much stronger than yours, Detective Poohbah. :-D
This isn't a court of law. Hearsay is fully admissable in the court of public opinion. However, if that is unacceptable to you, then this should be as well:
Pendleton is a Marine base, yet you claim to be former Army, but the LeadMod implies you're Poohbah resurrected, and Poohbah made a big deal of his USMC heritage. I'd say my case is much stronger than yours, Detective Poohbah. :-D
This is the second time you've made the allegation.
All you have is hearsay--which you abjure as not being evidence, so by your standards, you have zero evidence.
For the record, I am not Poohbah. My connections at Camp Pendleton are through a son of a long-standing friend, who's a corpsman there (i.e., he is in the Navy). He's getting, if anything, even gloomier as time goes on.
Incidentally, I think I might be forgiven for wondering just how "the" Lead Moderator (I seem to recall hearing that the Moderators are rotating positions, each filled by several persons) came to be of that school. Did someone slip off his or her "normal" posting ID and put on his or her "Lead Moderator" ID, in an attempt to intimidate dissenters? Enquiring minds, to recall one of the more annoying commercials of the 1970s, would like to know.
Wow, you're finally catching on! Actually, no you're not.
Really? That's fascinating. And about as conclusive as your hearsay above. If you have a question/accusation about the Lead Moderator, perhaps you should ping him/her. Or them, since you seem to think the mods rotate through the position. It's the polite thing to do.
And yet it still ain't an exhibit, Detective!
You insist on an extremely high standard of conduct for others and complete exemption from that standard for yourself. That's all I really need to know.
In the court of public opinion, it is. Good day.
The Marines are guilty because my corpsman buddy is depressed and says so! And Coop and the rotating moderators are pickin' on me because I'm a dissenter (read: mini-Murtha)!
Fine. Then in the court of public opinion, you're Poohbah. Which means you are really bad at that opus thing. Good day, Leatherneck.
Actually, I'm starting to believe that you are Poohbah--you're both rather alike in your thin skins.
And, like Poohbah, you have difficulty departing...
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Has he been to Iraq? My nephew, a Marine, is on his second tour of duty there. He's pretty upbeat.
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