Posted on 06/05/2006 8:40:19 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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It seems painfully and manifestly obvious that the critism of the administration is opportunistic, rather than principled.
No. In fact, I tend to believe that this is just a story that someone made up and it made the e-mail rounds. Had Atta used stolen IDs to access the jumpseats, it would be a piece of cake to trace his tracks and you would've heard about this on Sept. 20.
I'm sure you have seen the picture of Atta. I don't think, having seen that face once, anyone could ever forget it.
I would like confirmation on this as well, but to be honest, it really does not sound like an impossibility. It would be much more difficult to do that today, but as we know it happened in the past (the movie "Catch Me if You Can" was a true story...
I was just thinking about this the other day. I lived in Dallas at the time, and there were a lot of reports of two ME individuals who we picked up on a train from somewhere (possibly Kansas City?) going to San Antonio. These two had been on a plane that was grounded on 9-11, and had in their luggage box cutters and cash. I think they may have even had shaved their body hair. I never heard another word about this story. I think they were arrested in Ft. Worth.
Either is was false, or somehow this got swept under the rug. Seems like a story that would have gotten a lot of publicity.
I have followed quite closely all of the news stories, publications, and personal accounts relating to the events of 9/11. But this is the first time I have ever heard this story. This Pat Gilmore would surely have come forward within a week after 9/11 and would have had his own hour on the Larry King Show. No, it doesn't pass the smell test. Or the "If it seems too good to be true, then it isn't" test.
Nothing on http://www.snopes.com about it...
"and that all my passengers in the cabin would act as Sky Marshals." "Right On" everyone now is a Sky Marshal.
Yeah, I remember that story, but never heard more about it. I remembered it because hubby and I had taken a train trip from E. TX to Dallas the week before 9/11.
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Discussion of Pat Gilmore and Mohammed Atta at Snopes Message Boards
I'm not saying it isn't true but I just did a google and there is some question about its validity. I always prefer a direct link before I feel comfortable with such postings.
> right or wrong, this administration is at least taking the bull by the horns and fighting our enemies, which is something concrete that I can appreciate. <
Except for border security, that is. And except for the ridiculous TSA which doesn't use terrorist profiling and, as the author noted, searches people such as himself and little old ladies.
I agree...what I was saying is that it doesn't sound so outlandish as to be impossible.
I know people are saying things like "Well, why did they have purchased tickets if they knew they could have just gone as jump seat passengers..." and stuff like that.
I believe, if this WAS done, that it was done purely as a recon task. We got the buzz started, soon we will find out who this pilot is, if he even exists, etc. etc.
"No, it doesn't pass the smell test."
It stinks, fer sure.
I will say this however. I once lived next door to a TWA captain who flew out of St. Louis. He insisted to me that TWA800 was shot out of the sky and that it was impossible for the official story to be true. He told this to me personally but I really don't agree with him. The evidence suggests otherwise, although I don't want to derail this thread.
There are a lot of questions about Atta that I would dearly love to have answers. The one question I have for anyone is where was Atta between April 4, 2001 and April 11, 2001? I'd like just one person on the planet to come forth and say they observed him, saw his signature or any other defnitive documentation that would place him in the U.S. during that period of time. This goes to the disputed Atta Prague story. I've been accused of a conspiratorialist on this issue but I'm still unsatisfied with the official line that there was no Atta-Prague connection.
I don't think that makes you a conspiratorialist...
The administration does not have solid proof (that they are showing) that would put Mohammed Atta in Prague. There is a body of circumstantial evidence that persuades me that he was there, but the government cannot use that in this case, I would think.
There is no doubt in my mind that there was a connection between Iraq and International Terrrorism, we have proof of that with the aid given to murdering Palestinians, along with the hardcore terrorists holed up in Iraq (such as Abu Abbas)
I tend to believe the stories of other planes to be hijacked on 9/11 to be false. There would undoubtedly be evidence uncovered during the earliest stages of the investigation of other people connected to Atta and crew. When you look at the kind of planning that they did, from flight schools to taking training runs, there would've had to be some sort of an overlap between the 19 hijackers and hijackers.
The only way there could be other hijackers on 9/11 is if there were separate cells operating, with little or no notice of each others existance.
Ignorance in certain areas in a badge of honor for me. I have seen none of those shows and at least a dozen others and, for the last 20 years or so, professional sports.
Different strokes for different folks. I simply know what's important to me, and what I am willing to support and what I am not.
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