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More arrests possible in terror probe
Associated Press via Sun Media ^ | 2006-06-05 | Beth Duff-Brown

Posted on 06/05/2006 1:54:29 PM PDT by Clive

MISSISSAUGA, Ontario (AP) — Canadian authorities investigating an alleged homegrown plot to blow up buildings in Ontario said Monday more arrests were possible as part of a wider probe into terrorist cells in at least seven countries, including the United States.

A U.S. law enforcement official said investigators are looking for connections between the 17 detained in Canada and suspected Islamic militants in custody in the United States, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Denmark, Great Britain and Sweden.

Separately, a U.S. counterterrorism official said there wasn’t any reason to believe there were targets in the United States but also no reason to be dismissive of the potential.

“This investigation is not finished,” Royal Canadian Mounted Police assistant commissioner Mike McDonell told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. on Monday. “Anybody that aided, facilitated or participated in this terrorist event will be arrested and prosecuted in court.”

A court said authorities charged the 12 adults in custody with participating in a terrorist group, with other charges including importing weapons and planning a bombing. The charges against five minors arrested were not released because of privacy laws.

The 17 suspects are scheduled to appear again in court Tuesday.

The arrests were made Friday and Saturday after the group acquired three tons of ammonium nitrate from undercover Mounties in a sting operation, the Toronto Star reported. The fertilizer can be mixed with fuel oil or other ingredients to make a bomb.

That is three times the amount of fertilizer used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, McDonell said. The bombing of the Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995, killed 168 people and injured more than 800.

The suspects followed “a violent ideology inspired by al-Qaida,” said Luc Portelance, the assistant director of operations with the spy agency CSIS.

The operation involved 400 intelligence and law-enforcement officers and was the largest counterterrorism effort in Canada since the Sept. 11 attacks. The Star reported that the investigation began in 2004 with the monitoring of Internet chat rooms.

“We’ve been investigating them for some while and it got to the point where we could no longer control the risk,” McDonell told National Public Radio on Monday.

A prayer leader at a storefront mosque west of Toronto said several suspects prayed daily there but never spoke of hurting others.

“I will say that they were steadfast, religious people. There’s no doubt about it. But here we always preach peace and moderation,” Qamrul Khanson, an imam at the one-room Al-Rahman Islamic Center for Islamic Education, said Sunday.

The 40-50 Muslim families who worship at the mosque were astonished, he said, to learn that police had arrested 12 adults, ages 19 to 43, and five suspects younger than 18. Two Americans who met with the suspects also are in custody.

The 17 suspects represent a spectrum of Canadian society, from the unemployed to a school bus driver to the college-educated. The 12 adults live in Toronto, Mississauga and Kingston, Ontario.

Police said the suspects, all citizens or residents of Canada, had trained together. The oldest suspect, Qayyum Abdul Jamal, often led prayers at the storefront mosque.

Khanson said Jamal’s Friday night prayers were “more aggressive” than those of other prayer leaders, but there was no talk of hostility or terrorism.

The modest mosque is sandwiched between The Cafe Khan, which offers Pakistani kabobs, and a convenience store in Mississauga, a city of 700,000 people with many immigrants. Mohammed Jan works at the cafe and said several suspects often came in for snacks after prayers.

“It’s pretty shocking. They used to come every day and they just seemed normal,” Jan said. “I definitely didn’t find their behavior suspicious.”

Neighbors said Jamal’s wife drove a school bus, and he was always home and did not seem to work regularly. The couple has three small children, neighbors said.

Jerry Tavares, a Brazilian living two doors down from Jamal, said the suspect was unfriendly and rarely interacted with neighbors.

“I wasn’t surprised,” the construction worker said, adding that he intends to move out of the neighborhood with his wife and toddler. “You never know who lives next door.”

A woman in a burqa peeked out from behind a curtain but would not answer the door at Jamal’s home in a brick townhouse rental compound.

Another neighbor, Peter Smith, said a half-dozen SWAT team officers converged on the home Friday evening and began screaming at the family to get outside and get down on the ground. Even the young children were handcuffed, Smith said.

“Other kids were yelling, ‘Terrorists! Terrorists!’ and they were asking their mom, ‘Mom, are we terrorists?”’ he said.

Nada Farooq, the wife of 20-year-old suspect Zakaria Amara, described how police crashed into the family’s home as the couple played with their 8-month-old baby. Family members were moved to the garage and her husband was taken away, she said.

“They’re not guilty,” she told CTV News. “They’re still innocent until proven guilty and yet they’re taking measures as though they’re monsters.”

The U.S. counterterrorism official said the 17 suspects are an example of a type of group authorities have been concerned about for some time: self-organized, ad-hoc cells of homegrown extremists.

This was first seen during last year’s London bombings, and the official said the Canadians are rightfully taking seriously the threat the 17 could have posed because there is evidence they were far along in their planning.

Authorities also have established that two men from Georgia who were charged this year in a terrorism case had been in contact with some of the Canadian suspects via computer, the U.S. law enforcement official said on condition of anonymity because the investigation is continuing.

Prosecutors have said Ehsanul Islam Sadequee and Syed Haris Ahmed traveled to Washington to shoot “casing videos” of the Capitol and other potential targets, a prosecutor said.

Sadequee, 19, a U.S. citizen who grew up near Atlanta, is accused of lying to federal authorities amid an ongoing FBI terrorism investigation. Ahmed, 21, a Georgia Tech student, has been indicted on a charge he provided material support and resources for terrorism.

Khanson said at least three suspects regularly prayed at the Al-Rahman Islamic Center for Islamic Education.

“I have faith that they have done a thorough investigation,” Khanson said of authorities. “But just the possession of ammonium nitrate doesn’t prove that they have done anything wrong.

“We value our Canadian culture and we would never allow any links with the so-called Taliban or al-Qaida.”

Rocco Galati, a lawyer for two defendants from Mississauga, said: “Both of their families are very well-established professionals, well-established families, no criminal pasts whatsoever.”

He described Ahmad Ghany, 21, as a Canada-born health sciences graduate of McMaster University whose father, a physician, emigrated from Trinidad and Tobago in 1955.

His other client, Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, is an unmarried computer programmer who emigrated from Egypt at age 10 with his father, he said.

Two suspects, Mohammed Dirie, 22, and Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, are serving two years in an Ontario prison for weapons possession. The Somali immigrants, who lived in Kingston, Ontario, were arrested in August at the border crossing near Buffalo, N.Y., while trying to smuggle guns and ammunition into Canada, authorities said.

Associated Press reporters Rob Gillies in Toronto and Mark Sherman and Katherine Shrader in Washington contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnianmuslims; gwot; serbhaters; toledocell

1 posted on 06/05/2006 1:54:30 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
“Anybody that aided, facilitated or participated in this terrorist event will be arrested and prosecuted in court.”


This is such BS. Are we at war, or not?
Americans, Candians, and Iraqis are waiting for some public
hangings to show that the governments actually take this war seriously.

2 posted on 06/05/2006 1:59:44 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Clive; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

Canada ping!

Please FReepmail me to get on or off this ping list.

3 posted on 06/05/2006 2:00:26 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: Diogenesis

Nice to see you.

I hope all is well.

:-)


4 posted on 06/05/2006 2:01:18 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...
It is interesting that the charges were laid in Peel Region at the west end of the GTA even though the arrests were made across the GTA and the detention facility in Durham Region at the east end of the GTA.

It has been over 25 years but the conventional wisdom then was "the Crown at Peel doesn't deal". The story went that when a defence counsel would ask the Crown what it would accept, the reply was usually "I will accept a plea of guilty".

I explicitly asked the supervising Crown whether that meant more trials and fewer convictions and he told me "no". "We get the same percentage of guilty pleas and the same rate of convictions as other urban jurisdictions."

I am not currently au courant with the Peel Crown but my experience is that institutional practices such as this tend to persist.

Just speculation. Is there anyone here currently familiar with current Peel Region practice?

5 posted on 06/05/2006 2:05:12 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
The arrests were made Friday and Saturday after the group acquired three tons of ammonium nitrate from undercover Mounties in a sting operation, the Toronto Star reported.

Any reliable reports of this canard yet?
6 posted on 06/05/2006 2:09:56 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Clive
I live in Peel & my perception is the exact opposite.
In fact I'd go so far as to observe that it's served as the breeding ground for some of the most biased legal hacks in the province who've later gone to become Head Crowns & Judges elsewhere.

Leo McGuigan (sp?), who was effectively the 'go to guy' when the AG's Office was making its 'deal with the devil' with Karla Holmolka, was also then the long-time supervisor for an area which included Peel.

At least with all of the terrorists being male, you may possibly be on to something since Peel is notorious for gender-biased justice:
When (now Judge) Paul Taylor was Head Crown (under old Leo) he once got into a very public scrap with Mr. Justice Flaherty in open Court (!) over his outright demand that a nanny actually videotaped physically abusing a toddler receive a conditional sentence!

His rationale: nothing beyond her say-so that she'd been an 'abused woman' in her third world homeland prior to coming to Canada !!!
7 posted on 06/05/2006 2:25:30 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Clive
"...Is there anyone here currently familiar with current Peel Region practice?..."

My knowledge of the Peel Crown is hopelessly old, Clive, but I do remember that CFB Borden up the road a bit had a useful group of SAS lads that were loaned-out on occasion to deal with the hardcases.

Probably accounted for some of those guilty pleas................FRegards

8 posted on 06/05/2006 2:34:15 PM PDT by gonzo (I'm as confused as a hungry baby in a topless club...)
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To: caveat emptor
The version that I heard is that the Horsemen substituted an innocuous substance in 25 kg ammonium nitrate bags and delivered the substitute in place of the ordered ammonium nitrate.

BTW: Canada still follows the common law respecting agents provocateur. It is not entrapment unless the subject of the sting is Incited or induced to do an unlawful act that he otherwise would not commit. It is perfectly lawful for the agent provocateur to facilitate an act that the subject had a prior intent to commit.

This is really no different from a drug buy or sale between an agent provocateur and a drug dealer that is routine practice throughout the common law.

9 posted on 06/05/2006 3:03:31 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

There were bound to be terrorist cells in Canada as in other parts of the world. What amazes me is that when you read posts such as those to the G & M, the liberals are in denial. These terrorists had enough explosives to kill thousands of innocent people and everyone, whatever their political persuasion, should be very grateful that they were caught.


10 posted on 06/05/2006 3:09:42 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: GMMAC
As I have said, it is at least a quarter century since I had any dealings with the Peel Crown.

Pity! I rather enjoyed the old attitude.

But then I have some very old fashioned attitudes. I always maintained that things in Toronto got really boring after the holdup squad guy with the rabbit suit got promoted to Chief Superintendent.

11 posted on 06/05/2006 3:10:33 PM PDT by Clive
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To: fanfan

The fight against terrorism will be long and arduous and only when the perpetrators discover that terrorism doesn't work will terrorism be defeated. When the slow learners on the liberal side of politics learn this lesson, the fight will be made a little easier.


12 posted on 06/05/2006 3:14:12 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: caveat emptor
Any reliable reports of this canard yet?

From what I've been following, the suspects

  1. Made an order for 3 tons of AN
  2. This naturally caused some interest
  3. The cops delivered fake AN
  4. and arrested them after delivery
As long as the cops just made the delivery, and in no way induced the suspects to make the purchase, there is no entrapment.
13 posted on 06/05/2006 3:26:59 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: joan; DTA; ma bell; eleni121
PING!!!

NOTE THE WORD BOSNIA!!!!!!

14 posted on 06/05/2006 6:27:39 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: Clive
"A U.S. law enforcement official said investigators are looking for connections between the 17 detained in Canada and suspected Islamic militants in custody in the United States, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Denmark, Great Britain and Sweden."

Hey, clinton's pals in BOSNIA are mentioned!!

15 posted on 06/05/2006 6:31:06 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: FormerLib; kronos77; Honorary Serb; jb6; Banat; Bokababe; TonyRo76; dfwgator; Spirochete

More bosnian muslim terrorists mentioned....


16 posted on 06/05/2006 6:40:46 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: Al Simmons; Aker
"A U.S. law enforcement official said investigators are looking for connections between the 17 detained in Canada and suspected Islamic militants in custody in the United States, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Denmark, Great Britain and Sweden."
17 posted on 06/05/2006 6:53:22 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: Lion in Winter

But they haven't mentioned "Kosovo" -- yet!

For those of you who didn't see it, I posted something from Strategic Affairs over the weekend along the same lines re Bosnia:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1643433/posts

and some nuts claimed it was just "pro-Serb propaganda". Guess they will have to do some "eating of words"!

BB


18 posted on 06/05/2006 7:22:59 PM PDT by Bokababe (www.savekosovo.org & www.serbblog.com)
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To: Bokababe

Oh and let me guess who the NUTTERS were... those islamics, ahoplite and that weirdo mark!! And the neo-croatian nationalist, and oh, so gay, aker.


19 posted on 06/05/2006 7:28:56 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: SauronOfMordor; Clive
Any reliable reports of this canard yet?

I seem to have read the same stuff as you guys:
1. Those reports (CNN,Yahoo, etc.) which refer back to the article in the (Red) Star which states only that "Sources say investigators who had learned of the group's alleged plan to build a bomb were controlling the sale and transport of the massive amount of fertilizer, a key component in creating explosives." and
2. A comment in the Globe and Mail article about the RCMP pulling a switcheroo.

That's it! No details. No "anonymous RCMP official". Just gossip.

Hope I'm not being obtuse, but let me rephrase my question:
Seen any reliable reports of this canard yet?
20 posted on 06/05/2006 7:32:05 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Bokababe
Great post BOKABABE!! I still find it amusing that hoplite posts at an islamic site as well as FR.

But then we always knew WHAT side he was in bed with... the BOSNIAN islamic side!!

21 posted on 06/05/2006 7:36:24 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: caveat emptor

I say HANG "EM HIGH!! The lot of them... and send ALL their families to a SOMALIA!!


22 posted on 06/05/2006 7:38:58 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: caveat emptor
"Seen any reliable reports of this canard yet?"

No. And we are not likely to see any before at least the preliminary hearing.

The Crown will keep the facts close to the vest until it has to be disclosed to the defense. Some of it will come out at the preliminary hearing and we may see it then unless the court puts a gag order on.

The courts are adverse to seeing the cases tried in the media. Where there is a conflict between the public's right to know and the right of the accused to a fair trial, the courts tend to lean in favour of the right to a fair trial so public disclosure is often postponed until the jury has heard it first,

Especially in cases attracting huge public attention. (Example, the Bernardo/Homolka serial murders.)

BTW, criminal cases in Canada no longer go to the Grand Jury. Instead, there is a preliminary hearing before a provincial court judge (i.e magistrate level) in which the Crown has to show that there is an arguable case to take to a jury. The defense has the right to cross-examine witnesses at prelim and may, but need not, present evidence at that stage.

23 posted on 06/05/2006 8:01:32 PM PDT by Clive
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