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The path to our destruction
JERUSALEM POST ^ | Jun. 5, 2006 | Caroline Glick,

Posted on 06/05/2006 5:37:28 PM PDT by Sabramerican

Our World: The path to our destruction Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST Jun. 5, 2006

Allegedly spurred on by images of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, and angered by what they saw as the mistreatment of Muslims at home, they became increasingly aggressive in their beliefs, according to media reports.

This is how London's Sunday Telegraph explained the decision of 17 Canadian Muslims to stockpile three tons of ammonium nitrate and plot acts of war against their country.

These men - all Muslims - who reportedly planned to blow up the headquarters of Canada's Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) in Toronto, are what Canadian officials refer to as "home-grown terrorists," and products of the "jihad generation." Before their arrests on Friday, they had never visited Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq or the Palestinian Authority. They chose the path of jihad in the streets and mosques of Toronto. They learned how to build bombs from the Internet. They trained for their mission in a training camp in Ontario.

Like the Telegraph, most media reports claim that these men were prompted to wage a war against their country because they believe that their fellow Canadians are launching war against Islam. But why would they think this?

Canadians are outspoken in their anti-Americanism. They have contributed generously to the Palestinians. It only took the Canadian government a few weeks after the Palestinian elections to announce it would fund a Hamas-led PA. Canadians overwhelmingly oppose the US-led war in Iraq and President George W. Bush.

A Canadian Muslim friend who lives in Ontario told me recently that he has been unwelcome in his local mosque since the September 11 attacks on Washington and New York. His fellow Muslims have blackballed him because he made public statements critical of the hijackers and of al Qaida and the Palestinians and supportive of the US and Israel. He informed me that while in absolute numbers, mosque attendance in Canada has dropped since Sept. 11, those who continue to attend are fervent in their devotion to jihad against the Western world.

That is, the Muslims who have been forced from the organized Canadian Muslim community are those who believe in Muslim integration in the West while those who remain within that community are radical separatists who cannot abide their pro-Western Muslim brethren.

My friend and his fellow pro-Western Muslims are doubly ostracized. Not only are they rejected by their fellow Muslims who decry their denunciations of jihad, they are also rejected by the intellectual and cultural elites in their countries who insist on apologizing for jihadists in the name of multiculturalism and anti-racism. The depth of my friend's isolation was made clear this weekend when, in the wake of the arrests of the Canadian jihad cell, Luc Portelance, the CSIS assistant director of operations told his countrymen, "It is important to know that this operation in no way reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada."

FOR ITS part, the Canadian Islamic Congress (whose leader, Mohamed Elmasry has openly stated his view that all Israeli citizens are legitimate targets for terrorist murder), attacked Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper for what it referred to as his decision to "paint today's arrests as a battle between 'us' and 'them.'" The CIC alleged that "Such statements put all Canadian Muslims in great danger," and demanded that the Canadian government fund "legitimate academic research to diagnose this serious social problem [of Canadian Muslims waging war against their country] and provide scientific solutions to it."

Justifications for the actions of Western born and raised jihadists - and indeed for all jihadists from Osama bin Laden down - like that published by the Telegraph are of course par for the course. As author Bruce Bower exhaustively demonstrates in his book While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within, there exists a unity of purpose between Islamic extremists and Western elites in Europe and throughout the world. Both sides wish to hide the fact that Islamists seek to dominate the Western world while painting the US and Israel as the greatest threats to international security.

There seems to be no limit to the willingness of Western elites to justify jihadist acts of war against their societies. The Telegraph's apology for the Canadian jihadist terror group came at the same time as Britain's counter-terror forces were conducting a desperate search for a chemical bomb they fear was built by two British born terrorists who were also arrested on Friday in London. The fact that Britain's own jihadists were planning to attack Londoners with sarin gas made no dent in the Telegraph's willingness to make excuses for radical Islamic warriors.

THIS PATTERN of collaborative dissimulation between leftist Western elites and jihadists manifested itself last week in Winnipeg, Canada. There, as the Ontario 17 steadily advanced their plans of war, Muslims in Manitoba launched an attack against a film that exposes the nature of the global jihad against the West. Last Monday and Tuesday the documentary film Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West launched its Canadian premiere in the city. (It will be premiering in Israel at Hebrew University on June 14.)

Obsession, was produced by the media watch group Honest Reporting. It effectively shows the depth of the hatred and indoctrination to jihad that is taking place worldwide. Interweaving clips from Arab television, recordings of mosque incitement, interviews with extraordinarily brave Muslim heroes like The Jerusalem Post's Khaled Abu Toameh and renowned historians such as Sir Martin Gilbert, Professor Robert Wistrich, and Daniel Pipes, the film seeks to fill the void left by the Western media and academia to alert regular citizens to the reality of the threat that jihadist ideology presents to their freedom.

In light of the film's purpose, (and having participated in the project and viewed the film several times, I can attest to its success), it is not surprising that the Muslim community in Winnipeg sought to have it banned. It is also not surprising that in reporting the protest, the Winnipeg Sun used the misleading headline, "Aspers sponsor hate film, say critics."

Ahead of last week's screenings, members of the Winnipeg Muslim community filed a complaint about it with the city police's hate crimes unit. Shahina Siddiqui, the president of the Islamic Social Services Associations told the press, "I want the police to identify this as hate propaganda. I want them to be aware who the sponsors are and what they are doing."

SO FOUR days before Friday's arrests, the Canadian Muslim community attempted to prevent Canadians from watching a film that explains why it is that Canadian born Muslims are trying to destroy their country. And four days before the arrests were made, the Winnipeg Sun maintained faith with its colleagues throughout the Western world by running a headline that gave its readers the sense that there was some legitimacy to the Muslims' complaint.

And even though the apparent ringleader of the terror cell served as a prayer leader and a member of the board of directors of his local mosque, in the wake of Friday's arrests, Canadian and other Western commentators and editors continued to argue that the arrested terrorists bore no relationship to the larger Canadian Muslim community.

It is against the backdrop of the refusal of Western elites to acknowledge the fact that there is a global jihad that the true danger of radical Islam becomes clear. Many argue that the forces of global jihad are no match for their enemies because they lack regular armies.

Yet because of the defiant, irrational and immoral refusal of Western political, cultural and media elites to acknowledge the threat that internal and external jihadist forces manifest to the very notion of human freedom, they make it impossible for their societies to take measures to protect themselves.


TOPICS: Canada; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: canada; carolineglick; cult; islam; israel; jihad; jihadists; muslims; trop; waronterror; wot; wwiv

1 posted on 06/05/2006 5:37:30 PM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
OH PLEASE "mistreatment of muslims"
Canadadians can't even say the word "terrorists" and "muslims" in the same paragraph!! WHAT "mistreatment"??????????????????????????

2 posted on 06/05/2006 5:49:01 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I see dumb people, they're everywhere. They don't even know they're dumb.)
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To: Sabramerican
They chose the path of jihad in the streets and mosques of Toronto

IT'S THE MOSQUES MY FRIENDS!!!

They are the dens of evil.

3 posted on 06/05/2006 5:49:25 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Sabramerican
I don't think that I would call them "Western Elete". I think I would charatterize them as "poorly educated joursalists" that have no understanding of history or geopolotics.
4 posted on 06/05/2006 5:54:36 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Sabramerican

The Canadian plotters began in 2004, under the rule of the most leftist anti-American government in the 'industrialized' world. They wanted to slaughter masses of Canadians, living under a government that already believed in subjugating itself to the wishes of Islamo-fascists whenever possible. That should tell our idiotic leftists all they need to know, that no amount of dhimmitude will work. They can submit and grovel all they want, and the jihadists will still want to slaughter them unless they convert. The jihadists will slash Noam Chomsky's throat just as happily as they will slash yours or mine, at least once they decide he has served his purpose as a "useful idiot." The MSM and fellow useful idiots will never understand what we are up against. If they haven't learned by now then they are incorrigible and ineducable.


6 posted on 06/05/2006 5:57:30 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Sabramerican
Allegedly spurred on by images of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan...

The very first words of the story are an attempt by the author to blame America. But you'll notice that America doesn't actually enter into the facts of the story in any way at all. Interesting.

7 posted on 06/05/2006 6:17:48 PM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: Sabramerican

"My friend and his fellow pro-Western Muslims are doubly ostracized"

Why not just give up this perversion of a religion?

Anyone who claims to be a moderate Muslim is a liar. There is nothing moderate about Islam and its founder Mohammed, who was nothing but a clever criminal monster.


8 posted on 06/05/2006 6:17:57 PM PDT by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few, than of all!)
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To: Sabramerican

Canadians are stuck in a tape loop that for them explains everything. In a manner of speaking, when you have a system of thought that is self-reinforcing, no matter what happens, I think you could call it a religion.

For Canadians, that religion tells them that whatever happens in life, whatever happens in the world, whatever happens on their street in their town, its America's fault.

If you think about it, it bears a weird inverted similarity to an islander's cargo cult.

They'll still be railing at the Americans right up to the moment the muslims cut their throats.


9 posted on 06/05/2006 6:21:58 PM PDT by marron
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To: Sabramerican

why is this reporter asking "why did they choose to go to war on leftist muslim-hugging Canada?"

the answer is simple: "Battle them wherever you find them, until they are humiliated and submit to the jizya"

sheesh! people who are puzzled about the motives of muslim terrorists really should just RTFM -> the Koran.


10 posted on 06/05/2006 6:24:57 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: Starve The Beast
If you had maybe bothered to read just one further sentence...for a total of two.

"This is how London's Sunday Telegraph explained......"

The author's purpose is exactly the opposite of what you stated.

11 posted on 06/05/2006 6:38:34 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
I don't think that I would call them "Western Elete". I think I would charatterize them as "poorly educated joursalists" that have no understanding of history or geopolotics.

from Spellchekistan?

12 posted on 06/05/2006 7:58:30 PM PDT by FDNYRHEROES (Always bring a liberal to a gunfight)
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To: Sabramerican

bump for later


13 posted on 06/05/2006 8:08:37 PM PDT by true_blue_texican (grateful texan! -- whoops! I'm sober tonight, what happened?)
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To: Sabramerican
I've said it before, and I say it again:

"WIPE THEM OUT - ALL OF THEM."

14 posted on 06/05/2006 11:06:06 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
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15 posted on 06/06/2006 5:53:32 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Sabramerican; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; dennisw; ...
Caroline Glick:

...Justifications for the actions of Western born and raised jihadists — and indeed for all jihadists from Osama bin Laden down - like that published by the Telegraph are of course par for the course. As author Bruce Bower exhaustively demonstrates in his book While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within, there exists a unity of purpose between Islamic extremists and Western elites in Europe and throughout the world. Both sides wish to hide the fact that Islamists seek to dominate the Western world while painting the US and Israel as the greatest threats to international security.

There seems to be no limit to the willingness of Western elites to justify jihadist acts of war against their societies. The Telegraph's apology for the Canadian jihadist terror group came at the same time as Britain's counter-terror forces were conducting a desperate search for a chemical bomb they fear was built by two British born terrorists who were also arrested on Friday in London. The fact that Britain's own jihadists were planning to attack Londoners with sarin gas made no dent in the Telegraph's willingness to make excuses for radical Islamic warriors.

...It is against the backdrop of the refusal of Western elites to acknowledge the fact that there is a global jihad that the true danger of radical Islam becomes clear. Many argue that the forces of global jihad are no match for their enemies because they lack regular armies.

Yet because of the defiant, irrational and immoral refusal of Western political, cultural and media elites to acknowledge the threat that internal and external jihadist forces manifest to the very notion of human freedom, they make it impossible for their societies to take measures to protect themselves.


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16 posted on 06/06/2006 6:11:42 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Sabramerican

But...but..but....all the leaders of the West keep telling us it is a "religion of peace" and all they want to do is be our "friends" and we'd just be "nice" to them and "sensitive" and "understanding"....well, golly gee, they'd just melt with all the "love" and we'd all be such "buddies"! [GAG!]

(sarcasm off)


17 posted on 06/06/2006 6:55:52 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: Tolik; Convert from ECUSA
"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways."
18 posted on 06/06/2006 6:58:51 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican

Well, we've sure as h@ll seen what the heart of Islam is, and it ain't pretty!


19 posted on 06/06/2006 7:03:47 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

You, sir, are disqualified from being Sec of State.

Truth is not allowed.


20 posted on 06/06/2006 7:09:26 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: kinoxi

can we kill the muzzies yet?


Sure I suggest you start with Sajjad H. Rizvi (Lance Cpl USMC). You might want to bring your big boy pads...and a lunch.
Shiite Muslim Marine fights the war on terrorism with Company L, 3/25
Marine Corps News ^ | Sep 20, 2005 | Cpl. Ken Melton
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488432/posts


21 posted on 06/06/2006 7:14:08 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Valin

You've got a good point.

I now believe we should have called off WWII, against the Japanese, because of Daniel K. Inouye and his comrades.


22 posted on 06/06/2006 7:22:57 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican

Apples & Oranges.


23 posted on 06/06/2006 7:30:26 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Valin

My initial response was ? ,but after further review...


24 posted on 06/06/2006 7:35:58 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Valin

If you say so.

On the other hand was there a single incident when a Japanese American GI turned his weapon of fellow Americans? Threw a granade into a tent full of Americans?




25 posted on 06/06/2006 7:38:45 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican

Come on, its jealousy, the French got it, so we have to have it too.


26 posted on 06/06/2006 7:39:57 AM PDT by jerryem (if its French, the wheels will fall off.)
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To: Sabramerican; Convert from ECUSA
My concern is not with the Muslims. I am not in business of deciding who is a good Muslim, and who is bad one. To me anybody who supports Jihad is bad regardless of the motivation. From the practical point of view we don't want to declare a billion plus people as our enemies. Divide and conquer sounds cynical, but is a good tactical advice. Those Muslims who don't support Jihad need to get support from us; but we, providing this support, still must remain suspicious. One of the ways to garner support of Muslims is through a message of strength: we are the strong horse, and don't make mistake of siding with our enemies, you are going to regret it.

What irks me beyond believe though, is an attitude of a huge part of the West that denies that this struggle even exists (as so well worded by Caroline Glick in this article), or if acknowledges its presence, blames it on Joooos, Bush, Halliburton, America or [fill in any other "nefarious" entity of your choice]. This denial does not make them any safer (as events in Canada, England, France and Spain show), obstructs efforts of those who do act, and sends dubious message to those Muslims who would not want to support Jihad, that maybe the Jihadists are the strong horse, so they should be afraid to help us, just in case... Lenin said the Bourgeoisie will sell the rope to hang it on; these useful idiots give it away for free.

27 posted on 06/06/2006 7:46:03 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

You're right. I'm sure there are millions of very decent people who are Moslems.

They were born Moslesm, so they're Moslem. But their aims in life is a pursuit of happiness and not jihad. And do the exceptions, excuse the rest? And how do we know who's who? Any huge Islamic demonstrations anywhere on Earth against the Jihadists? Why is the pro-Jihadist Islamic media so popular?

Do you know what was the first act of violence when Arafat ordered a war after returning from the failed Camp David summit with Clinton and Barak?

As part of OSLO, there were join Israeli-"Palestinian" security patrols. The very first act of violence was in one of those security patrol jeeps. The "Palestinian" suddenly turned and shot his Israeli "partner" to death.


28 posted on 06/06/2006 7:56:48 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican

Oh well. They wouldn't want me as Sec State anyway.


29 posted on 06/06/2006 8:07:37 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: Tolik; Sabramerican
"What irks me beyond believe though, is an attitude of a huge part of the West that denies that this struggle even exists (as so well worded by Caroline Glick in this article), or if acknowledges its presence, blames it on Joooos, Bush, Halliburton, America or [fill in any other "nefarious" entity of your choice]. This denial does not make them any safer (as events in Canada, England, France and Spain show), obstructs efforts of those who do act, and sends dubious message to those Muslims who would not want to support Jihad, that maybe the Jihadists are the strong horse, so they should be afraid to help us, just in case... Lenin said the Bourgeoisie will sell the rope to hang it on; these useful idiots give it away for free."

Exactly!
30 posted on 06/06/2006 8:09:25 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: Sabramerican

What's so surprising? The elites did the same kind of dissimulation re Stalin and the Soviets.


31 posted on 06/06/2006 8:16:55 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Sabramerican

I went to college in London with lots of kids from the middle east. Many were of Palestinian extraction, residing in countries like Jordan, the UAE, and Kuwait.

I would have said all along that their intentions toward me and toward my culture were tolerant and considerate.

But I have heard nothing from them since September 11. Not a damned thing. No condemnation, not a reference, not anything.

And so I have begun wondering what they really think.

Schooling was a long time ago, of course, and we were young adults.

Still, I take their silence as tolerance for terrorism. I am appalled by their silence, and starting to buy into the notion that our differences cannot be reconciled.


32 posted on 06/06/2006 12:04:26 PM PDT by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: Plymouth Sentinel

Why don't you contact a few you considered friends. Just ask what they think of the World situation. A nuclear Iran? Iraq? Israel giving them Gaza?

The response of British educated Arabs that- you considered good guys- would be of interest to many here.


33 posted on 06/06/2006 12:23:17 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: Sabramerican

They were born Moslesm, so they're Moslem. But their aims in life is a pursuit of happiness and not jihad. And do the exceptions, excuse the rest? And how do we know who's who? Any huge Islamic demonstrations anywhere on Earth against the Jihadists? Why is the pro-Jihadist Islamic media so popular?

I don't have any disagreement to anything you said in this post. But this whole question is what was bothering me for quite a while: And how do we know who's who? That's the million dollar question, isn't it? So, please, forgive my additional musing on the theme.

The guys who don't want to kill us - are they doing it because they are good Muslims or because they are bad Muslims? And the guys who claim authority of Quran in order to kill us - are they distorting and misinterpreting Quran? Or both peaceful and jihadist type of Muslims are correct in their interpretations? How can it be reconciled then?

What is clear to me that I don't want to answer these questions, but I want Muslims to answer them.

From my point of view there is only one acceptable answer: against Jihadists. Whatever peaceful Muslims need to destroy the Jihadists, we must help them. Whatever reformation of Islam needed for that or not, its totally up to them. I care only about the outcome. Until then it is a disservice to the truth to call Islam a "religion of peace". 

In the mean time its counterproductive and not serious to call a billion plus people as enemies or shout "kill them all" as some people on our side do. It is also stupid to ignore that the problem even exists - like our own fifth column insists - because only our unwavering insistence can convince Muslims to re-examine who is the bad Muslim is. Ignoring the problem only strengthen those for whom Jihadist is a good Muslim.

And when a good Muslim is a Jihadist, then the only outcome of our confrontation will be the eventual nuclear exchange that will be horrible (and for them even more horrible than for us).

So, the internal to Islam question who is the good and bad Muslim is extremely important to us, outsiders. Those who from their multicultural political correctness insist that we should not be forceful in helping out in this internal question only guarantee the victory of the worst outcome.

34 posted on 06/06/2006 1:19:16 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: observer5
There is nothing moderate about Islam and its founder Mohammed, who was nothing but a clever criminal monster.

You are correct.

Mohamed was nothing but Hitler on a camel.

35 posted on 06/06/2006 7:32:20 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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To: Valin

Every evil cult has some decent people in it.
Many Nazi's and Commie party members weren't bad people.
They just (unfortunately) chose to belong to a party with an evil ideology, most likely out of political expedience, fear, or societal/peer pressure. Likewise with many "good" Islamics...
It's a shame this decent man you referenced is a member of a brainwashed death cult, because that's the reality.


36 posted on 06/06/2006 10:04:56 PM PDT by FBD ("Rapid immigration is at odds with rapid assimilation.)
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To: Valin

"Shiite Muslim Marine fights the war on terrorism with Company L, 3/25
Marine Corps News ^ | Sep 20, 2005 | Cpl. Ken Melton
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488432/posts"



While the story you site is interesting, the following story is imprinted in my memory.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154979,00.html
Akbar Sentenced to Death for Grenade Attack
Friday , April 29, 2005

FORT BRAGG, N.C. — A military jury sentenced a soldier to death Thursday for a grenade and rifle attack on his own comrades during the opening days of the Iraq invasion, a barrage that killed two officers and that prosecutors said was driven by religious extremism.

... the early morning March 2003 attack also wounded 14 fellow members of the Army's 101st Airborne Division at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait.

~~snip

Akbar threw grenades into troop tents in the early morning darkness and then fired on soldiers in the ensuing chaos. Army Capt. Chris Seifert, 27, and Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone, 40, were killed.

Prosecutors say Akbar launched the attack at his camp — days before the soldiers were to move into Iraq — because he was concerned about U.S. troops killing fellow Muslims in the Iraq war.

~~snip

http://www.militarycity.com/valor/256523.html
Honor the Fallen: Army Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert


37 posted on 06/06/2006 11:12:27 PM PDT by Portrait of a Lady
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To: Sabramerican

That would be a good project, I'm certain.

And if I do that, I will let you know, if not post the results.


38 posted on 06/07/2006 4:10:16 AM PDT by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: Portrait of a Lady

Yes?


39 posted on 06/07/2006 5:12:50 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Sabramerican
Bumbing for later comments

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

40 posted on 06/07/2006 8:33:59 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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