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(Cardinal) Pell steps up war of words on Islam
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | June 6, 2006 | Linda Morris

Posted on 06/06/2006 6:11:04 AM PDT by NYer

THE country's most influential Catholic has offended Islamic leaders for the second time in a month by declaring Islam more warlike than Christianity.

Australia had not been much changed by the rising Islamic threat after September 11, 2001, the Catholic Archbishop of Sydney, Cardinal George Pell, said. But this could change depending "on how many terrorist attacks" Islamic extremists could "bring off successfully".

"The million-dollar question" was whether intolerance was a modern distortion of Islam or arose out of internal logic.

"It's difficult to find periods of tolerance in Islam. I'm not saying they're not there, but a good deal of what is asserted is mythical."

Dr Pell's comments came in an interview in Rome with John L. Allen, a well-regarded correspondent of National Catholic Reporter. Allen suggested that under the new Pope, Benedict XVI, a more hawkish climate has developed and Islam is being directly challenged on issues of terrorism and religious freedom.

Only last month Dr Pell stirred controversy when he asserted that the Koran was riddled with "invocations to violence", and Islam was not a tolerant religion.

Keysar Trad of the Islamic Friendship Association said Dr Pell's statement showed he had no understanding of Islam.


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KEYWORDS: cardinal; catholic; islam; koran; muslim; pell; quran

1 posted on 06/06/2006 6:11:08 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Let's be honest. Offending "peaceful" Islam is as innocent as still continuing to breathe. A great deal of these people appear to have been born pissed off and live their entire lives looking for an opportunity to explode in fits of rage.


2 posted on 06/06/2006 6:13:07 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

His Eminence George Cardinal Pell, DD STL MEd DPhil(Oxon) FACE
Cardinal Priest of the Title of S. Maria Domenica Mazzarello

Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


3 posted on 06/06/2006 6:13:12 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

How many people did Moe-hammad (Pork be Upon Him) kill? Thousands.

How many people did Christ kill? -1 (Lazarus puts him one up.)

I think we see which religion has the violent roots.


4 posted on 06/06/2006 6:17:28 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: NYer

>>Only last month Dr Pell stirred controversy when he asserted that the Koran was riddled with "invocations to violence", and Islam was not a tolerant religion.<<

DR.???? Calling Cardinal Pell, Dr. Pell is like calling President Bush, Mr. Bush.
Nothing else to do but backhandedly insult when the truth hurts.


5 posted on 06/06/2006 6:21:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: NYer
He wrote an article about this in a recent First Things.
6 posted on 06/06/2006 6:23:24 AM PDT by Scarchin (www.classdismissedblog.com.)
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To: NYer

***"It's difficult to find periods of tolerance in Islam. I'm not saying they're not there, but a good deal of what is asserted is mythical."***

I believe if you look it up, the periods of Tolerance in Islam were periods where they were killed down until they were weak. I believe that is what we must do now. Kill them down until they cant make war.

In reality thats how all wars are won. Political correctness be damned. Its the only way to win.


7 posted on 06/06/2006 6:23:58 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: NYer
"The million-dollar question" was whether intolerance was a modern distortion of Islam or arose out of internal logic.

"It's difficult to find periods of tolerance in Islam. I'm not saying they're not there, but a good deal of what is asserted is mythical."

Good on The Cardinal! We need soem clergy like this. As for the Million Dollar Question, history seems to provide the answer.

8 posted on 06/06/2006 6:25:25 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: NYer
"The million-dollar question" was whether intolerance was a modern distortion of Islam or arose out of internal logic.

"It's difficult to find periods of tolerance in Islam. I'm not saying they're not there, but a good deal of what is asserted is mythical."

Good on The Cardinal! We need soem clergy like this. As for the Million Dollar Question, history seems to provide the answer.

9 posted on 06/06/2006 6:25:46 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: mgc1122
"Offending "peaceful" Islam is as innocent as still continuing to breathe."

Dead on correct!

Words like these keep me optimistic because so many of us still have a sense of survival.

10 posted on 06/06/2006 6:26:56 AM PDT by lormand (Understanding the threat of Islamofasicsm is essential to survival)
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To: NYer
THE country's most influential Catholic has offended Islamic leaders for the second time in a month by declaring Islam more warlike than Christianity.

I didn't even realize that Christianity was "warlike." As I see it, Christ never advocated war, killing, beheading, political takeover or any other of a host of issues sponsored by the Koran. The Bible doesn't advocate world conquest in the name of the Living God.

Islam and Christianity are diametrical ideologies, polar opposites. It's even safe to say that Islam counters Judeo-Christianity directly as even evidenced by most muslim controlled states' social and political policies and laws.

11 posted on 06/06/2006 6:27:06 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: NYer
Just waiting now, for the usual lunatics to start comparing the Catholic church of 600 years ago with the "tolerant" muderous islam of today.

At its worst, the Catholic church was an incompetent also-ran in sheer brutality and murderousness of the typical muslim culture that we are "lucky" enough to be experiencing today.

12 posted on 06/06/2006 6:27:22 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: NYer

Good for him. If a Cardinal can be a mensch, he is one.


13 posted on 06/06/2006 6:27:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sgtbono2002

"In reality thats how all wars are won."


Wars are not won by men dying for their country. They are won by men killing other men who die for THEIR country.

To paraphrase Patton (I think).


14 posted on 06/06/2006 6:27:40 AM PDT by Blzbba (Beauty is just a light switch away...)
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To: atomicpossum
How many people did Christ kill? -1

Lol!

15 posted on 06/06/2006 6:30:34 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
More and more I am saying if I ever leave the US I'm moving to Australia.
16 posted on 06/06/2006 6:34:18 AM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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".....The million-dollar question was whether intolerance was a modern distortion of Islam or arose out of internal logic....."

Very good. He gets to the crux of the problem for the West.

17 posted on 06/06/2006 6:34:21 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: NYer
Straight from the Koran:

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

I mean honestly, WTH is someone reading that supposed to believe or think, that muslims want to befriend anyone that's Christian or Jewish? That'd be not only self-imposed ignorance, but pure idiocy.

18 posted on 06/06/2006 6:37:17 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: netmilsmom

You'll also notice that media references to Martin Luther King Jr. almost always use the title "Dr. King", not "Rev. King" or "Rev. Dr. King". They also do a great job of managing not to quote any of the phrases where he invokes the Almighty when talking about the source of authority for his objectives.


19 posted on 06/06/2006 7:03:24 AM PDT by RonF
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To: NYer

“The bully bishop from central casting.”


20 posted on 06/06/2006 7:10:10 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: NYer
THE country's most influential Catholic has offended Islamic leaders for the second time in a month by declaring Islam more warlike than Christianity.

Its amazing how Muslims are so offended by the truth.

21 posted on 06/06/2006 7:12:05 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Give 'em Hell Cardinal Pell...Hehehehe...(can I say that???)


22 posted on 06/06/2006 7:23:15 AM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: sgtbono2002

"Kill them down until they cant make war."

Sadly, I agree with you. And since it only took 19 of them on 9/11, we need to get busy!


23 posted on 06/06/2006 7:29:02 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: netmilsmom
DR.????

"Dr." is normal British (and hence Aussie) usage in reference to a bishop or senior clergyman, either Catholic or Anglican. It's not meant as an insult.

24 posted on 06/06/2006 7:43:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: el_texicano
Give 'em Hell Cardinal Pell...Hehehehe...(can I say that???)

You already did :-) It's more than appropriate, especially today.

25 posted on 06/06/2006 8:04:57 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: atomicpossum

Our Crusades period was fairly short compared to the Islam wars that raged in the Middle East, Africa, and parts of Europe, plus they helped topple one of the oldest empires: Byzantium (lasted longer than Rome).


26 posted on 06/06/2006 8:14:43 AM PDT by thebaron512
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To: Fruitbat

Take your Post and every time Allah is mentioned substitute the word Satan and you have the crux of the Islamic religion.


27 posted on 06/06/2006 9:36:56 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: livius

>>"Dr." is normal British (and hence Aussie) usage in reference to a bishop or senior clergyman, either Catholic or Anglican. It's not meant as an insult.<<

Ooops! I guess it is better to keep my mouth shut and not show how ignorant I am.


28 posted on 06/06/2006 9:46:11 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: el_texicano

Whatever way "hell" is said in Arabic, that is what His Eminence should continue giving those Islamist murderers.


29 posted on 06/06/2006 9:59:00 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: netmilsmom

It's an easy mistake to make - after all, they usually ARE looking for some way to insult him!


30 posted on 06/06/2006 10:01:13 AM PDT by livius
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To: sgtbono2002
Take your Post and every time Allah is mentioned substitute the word Satan and you have the crux of the Islamic religion.

LOL... I hear ya.

31 posted on 06/06/2006 1:17:36 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

I truly believe Allah and Satan are one and the same.

I have read nothing to change mind.

Lucifer the angel who challenged god himself is still doing it.


32 posted on 06/06/2006 1:54:44 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

Allah is a mental machination and contrivance of Mohammed's.

Mohammed himself questioned his possibly being demon possessed on his "dreams." I question it too.

Either way, it's amazing to me how just about every religion is based on simply what someone says and writes, but little else and nothing concrete.


33 posted on 06/06/2006 2:04:04 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: netmilsmom
No, it's actually all right in this case - I teach at a Jesuit school and I wondered about this, so I asked some of the priests there who know His Eminence quite well.

His Eminence prefers to be referred to as Dr Pell, when he is writing or speaking, or being quoted on matters of general theological knowledge and theory. When talking about Catholic doctrine or matters of pure religion, he, of course, wishes to be referred to by his religious title.

But being a Cardinal doesn't make him an expert on other faiths - his academic status is more relevant in those cases.

34 posted on 06/06/2006 4:04:50 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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"Allen suggested that under the new Pope, Benedict XVI, a more hawkish climate has developed and Islam is being directly challenged on issues of terrorism and religious freedom."

Take it from a "National Catholic Reporter" writer to say that. The fact is that there is nothing "hawkish" about Christians confronting Islam as the supporter of terrorism and religious persecution it has become. It is virtually a duty to do so, and I hope this is being the case under Benedict XVI's watch.


35 posted on 06/07/2006 6:41:26 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: trisham

Both a mensch and a "Righteous Gentile" in my book.


36 posted on 06/07/2006 6:44:32 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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