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Official: Marines believed to plan killing
AP ^ | 6/6/06 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 06/06/2006 4:26:35 PM PDT by bnelson44

WASHINGTON - U.S. military investigators believe the killing of an Iraqi civilian on April 26 was planned by a small group of Marines who shot the man and then planted a shovel and an AK-47 rifle at the scene, a senior Pentagon official said Tuesday.

The AK-47 and the shovel, which were taken from another home before the shooting, were meant to make it look like the man had been digging a hole for a roadside bomb and was killed in an exchange of gunfire, the official said.

Seven Marines and a Navy corpsman are being investigated in this case, but no charges have been filed. All eight were removed from duty with the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment in Iraq and are being held at Camp Pendleton, Calif.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anonymoussource; drivebymedia; iraq; marines; navy
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What do we know about this?
1 posted on 06/06/2006 4:26:39 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: bnelson44
AP, anonymous source. Go figure.

EXTREMELY dissapointing if true.

2 posted on 06/06/2006 4:29:37 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: bnelson44

The MSM seems intent on demonizing our Marines. Who do they think protects their fat butts? The unattributed / anonymous / Iraqi stringer reporting that is the basis for most of this is nothing more than a well run psy-op in my opinion.


3 posted on 06/06/2006 4:29:49 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: bnelson44

I just love this whole; "Unnamed official whose department and possible access to information must remain secret: I believe that investigators believe..." kick that the media's been on the last few years. It's just an excuse to publish erroneous information and avoid responsibility.

Well, our "sources" said...


4 posted on 06/06/2006 4:30:28 PM PDT by Renderofveils
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To: bnelson44
More BS. Coulda-Woulda-Shoulda. AP says it all: ZERO credibility
5 posted on 06/06/2006 4:30:34 PM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: bnelson44

I'm sure it's from "anonymous sources". Geez! The media gets increasingly transparent in their hysterical accusations!


6 posted on 06/06/2006 4:30:49 PM PDT by Antoninus II
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To: bnelson44

I don't see any reason to believe it.


7 posted on 06/06/2006 4:30:52 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1400 knives and counting!)
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To: bnelson44
More BS planted by the terrorists, sucked up like sugarwater by the [media] enemy within.
8 posted on 06/06/2006 4:31:26 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: bnelson44
"...a senior Pentagon official said Tuesday."

How many felonies were committed by this "senior pentagon" chair warmer by leaking info about an ongoing investigation?

And in related news ...

Senior Pentagon Official Caught Having Sex With Chicken... news at 11


9 posted on 06/06/2006 4:36:33 PM PDT by Grim
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To: bnelson44

I'd like to know any possible motive for these guys to kill a civilian in the first place, much less fashion an elaborate coverup.


10 posted on 06/06/2006 4:38:41 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: bnelson44
The Washington Post reported on Monday that the Iraqi victim at Hamdaniya was Hashim Ibrahim Awad al-Zobaie, a 52-year-old disabled man shot four times in the face. His family told the Post that a small group of U.S. servicemen came to them last week and offered the family money in exchange for supporting the Marines‘ version of the killing.

I don't buy ANY of that.

11 posted on 06/06/2006 4:39:23 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: bnelson44
The AK-47 and the shovel, which were taken from another home before the shooting, were meant to make it look like the man had been digging a hole for a roadside bomb and was killed in an exchange of gunfire, the official said.

Unless the investigators have a Ouija Board or a crystal ball, the only way they could "believe" this is for someone who was there to have described it.
The question then becomes: how reliable is this "witness"?
Might not the dead Iraqi actually been doing exactly what the scene suggests?
Nailing a bunch of Marines (legally) in the process is simply a bonus.

12 posted on 06/06/2006 4:39:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Antoninus II

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1644592/posts

Letter From Iraq
Here's an email we received from a U.S. military officer who asks us to withhold his name:

I am currently stationed here in Iraq and have been here for the past 11 months; I am an adviser to the Iraqis and meet them on a daily basis. I have been in many locations in the country and am involved on a daily basis together with the Iraqis fighting the insurgency.

The media manipulation by the insurgents is brilliant and extremely effective. The press has become a puppet for the insurgents; the insurgents know exactly what they are doing with these "massacres" (quoted here because the investigation has not been completed, nor have any charges been filed) and the political nightmare they will cause the current administration. Bodies are produced for film, and there is zero fact-checking by the media--the media eat up this "news" like there is no tomorrow. A couple of hundred bucks paid by the insurgents to a few guys/ladies in the town where this "massacre" occurred to make up some bad news and pine for the BBC's or CBS's or whoever's cameras is a nice month's salary for many and money well spent by the insurgency.

All the Arabs (Sunni and Shia), Kurds and Chaldeans I have come to know well here will tell you that Arabs are emotional people who tend to exaggerate. A lot. Experience has shown that "50 insurgents hiding out in XX location" is five, at most 10. "Three hundred dead" at the morgue is at most 40. "A huge cache with WMD" is 45-50 weapons. It is a cultural norm and is accepted over here as a norm. It is reported in the West as fact. With no fact-checking.

When we convoy, all in the town/village know when and where there is a bomb/IED/VBIED that is targeting coalition forces. This is not so true in Baghdad, but in the outlying towns all know. What is the culpability for those people in the village/town? Would the Marines be guilty in the U.S. under the same circumstances?

I do not know whether or not the Marines are guilty. A Marine's job is to "close with and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver," and I can guarantee its effectiveness. But the insurgents have the ear of the press. Hopefully the politics will be put aside for the investigation and the facts will be told, whatever they may be.


13 posted on 06/06/2006 4:41:56 PM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: Publius6961

"The AK-47 and the shovel, which were taken from another home before the shooting"

I'm sorry - according to the Drive-By Media, weren't these supposed to be UNARMED civilians?


14 posted on 06/06/2006 4:42:04 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Conservatives know the names of Tookie's VICTIMS!!)
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To: Jack Black

Next thing these monsters will do is encourage calling Marines "baby-killers" and want to spit on them.

These idiots may still think it's 1968 and they are reliving their glory days but they have miscalculated: People like me won't stand for this crap against our brave men and women in the military and will do something about it!


15 posted on 06/06/2006 4:42:16 PM PDT by Fledermaus (So now I'm being told that if I don't give in to the RINO's it will be worse? HOW?)
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To: Fledermaus

I'm sure they'll find source material in "The Collected Anti-American Speeches of John Kerry"


16 posted on 06/06/2006 4:43:04 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Conservatives know the names of Tookie's VICTIMS!!)
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To: bnelson44; SoCalPol

This from SoCalPol on another thread:


NBCSanDiego.com
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Jeremiah Sullivan III

Lawyer Of Sailor Accused Of Killing Iraqi Breaks Silence
Navy Corpsman, 7 Marines Allegedly Kidnapped, Killed Man In April

POSTED: 3:42 pm PDT June 6, 2006
UPDATED: 3:55 pm PDT June 6, 2006

SAN DIEGO -- The attorney for a local sailor accused of the killing of an Iraqi civilian speaks out about the case for the first time.

At an afternoon news conference, Jeremiah J. Sullivan III said his client, a Navy Corpsman, is shackled and being held in solitary confinement in the Camp Pendleton brig. Seven Marines are also accused of kidnapping and killing an Iraqi man on April 26. Sullivan said his client has not been charged with a crime and that he is being treated worse than a terrorist.

Although he did not reveal the sailor's name, Sullivan did say that his client is 20 years old, has served two tours of duty in Iraq and is the recipient of a purple heart. Sullivan said the investigation started after the Iraqi man's family asked the Marines for reparations.

Sullivan said his client --- along with the Marines -- was inappropriately interrogated for a long period and was threatened with the death penalty. He said that the allegations are a crushing blow to a sailor who has never complained about putting his own life on the line for his country.

"We're all sitting here waiting," said Sullivan on Tuesday. "Wwhere are the charges? Where is the investigation? Why are our clients still shackled in custody? Why are our clients required to walk across the rec yard with shacked hands, feet, and the defense has received nothing?"

Sullivan said he believes his client will be charged within the week and that he expects that his client -- who he said would plead not guilty -- and the Marines will face murder and kidnapping charges.

Previous Stories:
May 29, 2006: Pendleton Marines Held In New Iraqi Death Investigation
Copyright 2006 by NBCSandiego.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


17 posted on 06/06/2006 4:44:37 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: bnelson44

I honestly don't trust a damned think the media says on these subjects. Folks need to be patient and wait for the investigations to play out. If some friend asks questions, tell them to do the same.


18 posted on 06/06/2006 4:45:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Senators, what have you done with those Conservatives we sent to Congress? (CyberAnt Inspired))
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To: bnelson44

We know nothing, the reporter knows nothing...and I bet the anonymous source knows nothing either.

They are really, really barking up the wrong tree if they think attacking our military is a good strategy.


19 posted on 06/06/2006 4:47:10 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: bnelson44
"What do we know about this?"

Well we know that nothings proved.
We know that marines are entitled to presumption of innocence.
we know that its disgusting how some in the press are practically salivating at the thought of American war crimes.

And we know it will be really bad and hopefully isolated if any of it is true.
20 posted on 06/06/2006 4:47:17 PM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: atomicpossum

Doesn't it strike you odd that the Marines are only ever accused of killing the disabled, women and children in prayer and the elderly?

That stinks right there.


21 posted on 06/06/2006 4:48:25 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: SE Mom

why would they be shackled and in solitary confinement? Even IF they are guilty this kind of treatment is highly unusual.


22 posted on 06/06/2006 4:54:50 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: bnelson44
Trial-by-traitor-media; the Marines have not been charged yet. However ...

Still not charged with crime, sailor wears shackles

The sailor is a hospital corpsman who was assigned to 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines and, along with 7 Marines, is being held in the brig at Camp Pendleton.

The attorney believes that his client and the 3/5 men are getting hammered because of the ongoing 3/1 investigation. “There’s no question,” he said, noting comments made by senior leaders, including President Bush. “There’s a huge prejudicial effect,” he added.

23 posted on 06/06/2006 4:55:55 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God Bless Our Troops...including U.S. Border Patrol, America's First Line of Defense)
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To: DoughtyOne

"I honestly don't trust a damned think the media says on these subjects"

I honestly don't trust a damned thing the media says on ANY subject.


24 posted on 06/06/2006 4:56:01 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: bnelson44
Why the solitary confinement? We are missing something.
25 posted on 06/06/2006 4:57:28 PM PDT by TankerKC (¿José puede usted ver?)
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To: bnelson44

The media has gone off the deep end.

Remember... if you see a serviceman/woman, please be sure to THANK THEM for their hard work in protecting our country.


26 posted on 06/06/2006 5:00:10 PM PDT by fhlh (Polls are for Strippers.)
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To: bnelson44

What would be the motive? None of the stories that I've seen have indicated any theory of motive.


27 posted on 06/06/2006 5:01:45 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: driftdiver

EXACTLY.

If the allegations of this lawyer are true- this is a hell of a thing.


28 posted on 06/06/2006 5:01:46 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Buck up!!


29 posted on 06/06/2006 5:04:19 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: driftdiver

Good point.


30 posted on 06/06/2006 5:06:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Senators, what have you done with those Conservatives we sent to Congress? (CyberAnt Inspired))
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To: bnelson44

The MSM hates our Marines, hates our President, and hates America bringing democracy to the world.

Expect things to get worse from them.


31 posted on 06/06/2006 5:06:32 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: bnelson44

AP?

Ha ! I don't believe one single word of this - none of it makes any sense.


32 posted on 06/06/2006 5:08:09 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: radar101

This is a really important letter. Well done, officer.


33 posted on 06/06/2006 5:08:45 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: bnelson44

In war, sometimes, people just need to be killed.


34 posted on 06/06/2006 5:08:54 PM PDT by Search4Truth (The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I honestly don't trust a damned think the media says on these subjects. Folks need to be patient and wait for the investigations to play out.

Agree.

35 posted on 06/06/2006 5:09:07 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: radar101; Leatherneck_MT

This story gets more ridiculous with each passing day. Why can't they let our men and women do their jobs without getting pissed on from the media. This is just sickening! Why not just kick them all out, for cryin' out loud! They are doing nothing but harrassing our troops who are fighting for their (and our) lives! Yeah, I'm pissed!


36 posted on 06/06/2006 5:09:23 PM PDT by derllak
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To: SE Mom

this lawyer was just on the Michael Savage show.


37 posted on 06/06/2006 5:10:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: SE Mom
Jeremiah J. Sullivan III said his client, a Navy Corpsman, is shackled and being held in solitary confinement in the Camp Pendleton brig.... Sullivan said his client has not been charged with a crime and that he is being treated worse than a terrorist.

Where's John McCain on THIS treatment????

Boy, this makes my blood boil.

38 posted on 06/06/2006 5:14:17 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

"Where's John McCain on THIS treatment????"

John McCain is so detached from reality that I don't believe he knows what planet he's on.

Why isn't the MSM complaining about this guys treatement? They can't handle the known terrorists and enemies of the US to be put in jail let alone solitary.

This guy is probably in jail because the DOD leadership are afraid of the MSM. Doesn't sound like they have much evidence if they only found out about it after the family asked for money.


39 posted on 06/06/2006 5:18:11 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

He's not just in jail, he's shackled and in solitary.

Words fail me.


40 posted on 06/06/2006 5:20:14 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I could spit nails..every day, lately.

There are just no words for this- terrorists at Gitmo receive better than this.


41 posted on 06/06/2006 5:20:14 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: SE Mom

I want to know whose decision this was!


42 posted on 06/06/2006 5:21:22 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

we must have some freepers knowledgeable of military protocols for those under arrest, in brigs, etc. who can we ping?


43 posted on 06/06/2006 5:24:07 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Gordongekko909
EXTREMELY dissapointing if true.

There are those of us who hope it isn't true and would be very upset if it turns out to be true. Then there are those who hope it is true and will be devestated if it is not true. Those who hope it is true put on airs of being morally superior. They hope it is true because it would hurt the U.S. That's all they can think about or ask about -- what would hurt the U.S.?

44 posted on 06/06/2006 5:25:23 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Right Cal Gal

They have the right to an AK-47 and 30 rounds, per our governance of the country. A variation on the 2nd, if you will.


45 posted on 06/06/2006 5:28:44 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tonk- who're our local USMJ experts?

This seems extreme.


46 posted on 06/06/2006 5:31:21 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: bnelson44
What a minute. I read a few hours ago that there was NO EVIDENCE of any Marine wrong doing. That the victims were caught in the middle between the Marine and the terrorist insurgents!
47 posted on 06/06/2006 5:33:27 PM PDT by George - the Other (Ever notice how Narrow-Minded atheists are?)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Sullivan said his client has not been charged with a crime and that he is being treated worse than a terrorist.

If Osama bin-Ladin was captured and put in chains, the usual suspects would be crying to high heaven and they would be eager to explain that Osama isn't really guilty of anything. But let an American soldier be accused of a crime, not only is he automatically assumed to be guilty, he must be mistreated, too, and that will be just fine with the talking heads.

48 posted on 06/06/2006 5:34:01 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: oceanview; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Cobra64; SandRat
we must have some freepers knowledgeable of military protocols for those under arrest, in brigs, etc. who can we ping?

Maybe the freepers listed above can offer some insight?

49 posted on 06/06/2006 5:35:53 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Gordongekko909
EXTREMELY dissapointing if true.

Not to me. This is in no way comparable to the breakneck clip at which Muslims kill Muslims there and a lot more savagely. I feel terrible when 43 Shiites are killed by a bomb in their Mosque. Not over this incident - if it's true. Iraq is a gawd awful Muslim snake pit and some of it might be rubbing off on our honorable troops
50 posted on 06/06/2006 5:36:13 PM PDT by dennisw (We should return to calling them Muhammadans -- Worshippers of Muhammad and maybe Allah)
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