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Constitutional Amendment on Marriage Fails
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Posted on 06/07/2006 8:37:51 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh

Edited on 06/07/2006 11:34:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Constitutional Amendment on Marriage Fails

Wednesday, June 07, 2006 WASHINGTON — A constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman stalled Wednesday in a 49-48 vote, but conservative backers say they are pleased to have had the vote nonetheless.

"For thousands of years, marriage — the union between a man and a woman — has been recognized as an essential cornerstone of society. ... We must continue fighting to ensure the Constitution is amended by the will of the people rather than by judicial activism,” said Senate Majority leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., after the vote.

A constitutional amendment needs two-thirds votes to pass, but first had to get through the procedural cloture vote, which requires 60 senators to agree to end the debate and move toward final passage.

Shy 11 votes to go to a final debate, few crossed the political aisle to vote against their party's majority position. Republican Sens. John McCain, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Judd Gregg, Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chafee and John Sununu voted against the cloture vote. Democratic Sens. Ben Nelson and Robert Byrd voted for it, as they did in 2004. Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel and Demcratic Sens. Chris Dodd and Jay Rockefeller were absent.


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All the usual (RINO) suspects crossed the aisle so that two men or two women may walk down the aisle (or a man and a horse, for that matter).
1 posted on 06/07/2006 8:37:53 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: andy58-in-nh

.......and we're off to the campaigns!.............


2 posted on 06/07/2006 8:38:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: andy58-in-nh

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to the Consideration of S. J. Res. 1 )
Vote Number: 163 Vote Date: June 7, 2006, 10:02 AM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
Vote Counts: YEAs 49
NAYs 48
Not Voting 3
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name

Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Not Voting
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Nay
Hagel (R-NE), Not Voting
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---49
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
NAYs ---48
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCain (R-AZ)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting - 3
Dodd (D-CT)
Hagel (R-NE)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Grouped by Home State

Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Nay Pryor (D-AR), Nay
California: Boxer (D-CA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Colorado: Allard (R-CO), Yea Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Not Voting Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Nay Carper (D-DE), Nay
Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Nay Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Idaho: Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Nay Obama (D-IL), Nay
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Nay Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Nay Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Nay Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Maryland: Mikulski (D-MD), Nay Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Minnesota: Coleman (R-MN), Yea Dayton (D-MN), Nay
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Lott (R-MS), Yea
Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Yea Talent (R-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Nay Burns (R-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Hagel (R-NE), Not Voting Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Nay
New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay Sununu (R-NH), Nay
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Domenici (R-NM), Yea
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Nay
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Dole (R-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Nay Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Ohio: DeWine (R-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Oregon: Smith (R-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Pennsylvania: Santorum (R-PA), Yea Specter (R-PA), Nay
Rhode Island: Chafee (R-RI), Nay Reed (D-RI), Nay
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Nay Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Frist (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Vermont: Jeffords (I-VT), Nay Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Virginia: Allen (R-VA), Yea Warner (R-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Nay Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Wyoming: Enzi (R-WY), Yea Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

3 posted on 06/07/2006 8:41:00 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: andy58-in-nh

McCain's GOP opponents in '08 have quite a lot of ammo.


4 posted on 06/07/2006 8:41:18 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Red Badger

Whoever runs against McCain in the primaries in 2008 better use this against McCain.

Stick a fork in ole RINO for he is done.


5 posted on 06/07/2006 8:41:51 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: andy58-in-nh

We got a majority. That's progress. Press on!


6 posted on 06/07/2006 8:44:30 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: So Cal Rocket

The good point is that our senators are all on record. That's a good thing!


7 posted on 06/07/2006 8:44:35 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Mr. Mojo
McCain's GOP opponents in '08 have quite a lot of ammo.

And he is all too happy to give them more, as long as it wins him fawning media profiles and appearances on the Sunday news programs.

8 posted on 06/07/2006 8:45:50 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Mr. Mojo

John McCain is the political equivalent of the crossdresser. He can't figure out what he is and when all is said and done he will end up as the old maid with a buzz cut.


9 posted on 06/07/2006 8:46:07 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: andy58-in-nh
Good. No "discrimination" should be enshrined in the Constitution.

Let the states ban it individually and leave it alone on a national level.

10 posted on 06/07/2006 8:46:18 AM PDT by zarf (John Edwards is the most annoying person in America.)
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To: So Cal Rocket
What's with the 2 New Hampshire Senators?

They are generally conservative. I wonder why they went with the Dems on this.

11 posted on 06/07/2006 8:48:40 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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The political careers of these losers needs to end.


12 posted on 06/07/2006 8:48:50 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I notice that the gays are now real strong in "conservative" NH too!


13 posted on 06/07/2006 8:50:07 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: cvq3842
I wouldn't vote for McCain if someone tied me up and repeatedly kicked me in the groin until I pulled the lever for the RINO.

I will vote for every Pub on my ticket but him.

I should know. He's my Senator and I haven't voted for him the last two times.

He aint makin it through a Pub primary. Not with this kind of baggage.

From the way he's "grown" in the last 15 years, he'll be attending a wedding with a man and his rabbit in another ten.

15 posted on 06/07/2006 8:51:19 AM PDT by Bassfan (No cheese please)
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To: BostonCreamPie
I was looking for a well-reasoned answer.

Thanks for not providing it.

16 posted on 06/07/2006 8:51:20 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Mr. Mojo
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay

Kerry (D-MA), Nay

****************

What a surprise! Wait for the next election, "gentlemen".

17 posted on 06/07/2006 8:51:29 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: zarf
"Let the states ban it individually and leave it alone on a national level"

Agreed, this was a band-aid fix for activist judges. Instead of fixing the problem all it'd do is turn the constitution into a dictionary.
18 posted on 06/07/2006 8:51:32 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Well who didn't see this coming.


19 posted on 06/07/2006 8:51:36 AM PDT by JimWforBush (Setec Astronomy)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Good. Now perhaps the Senate can move forward with more pressing matters, like terrorism and illegal immigration and abolishing the death tax.


20 posted on 06/07/2006 8:52:43 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Mr. Mojo

Sorry. Didn't mean to direct my last post to you. :)


21 posted on 06/07/2006 8:53:05 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BostonCreamPie

wow, some would differ and without the profanity


22 posted on 06/07/2006 8:53:12 AM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I believe we do have a majority in defense of marriage. The difficulty (as with the isssue of illegal aliens) is that Senate rules are frequently used to thwart the will of the majority while avoiding an actual vote. The use of cloture votes and filibusters enables Senators to claim to have been on either side of an issue, depending on who their audience happens to be.


23 posted on 06/07/2006 8:53:39 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Siena Dreaming
"I was looking for a well-reasoned answer. Thanks for not providing it."

LOL!!

24 posted on 06/07/2006 8:54:15 AM PDT by Bassfan (No cheese please)
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To: Mr. Mojo
McCain's GOP opponents in '08 have quite a lot of ammo.

Not going to play well, especially in the primaries. McCain's chances on the GOP nomination, R.I.P.

26 posted on 06/07/2006 8:55:26 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: BostonCreamPie

None of those "real" problems mean squat if there is no family left in America.


28 posted on 06/07/2006 8:57:03 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: zarf
Good. No "discrimination" should be enshrined in the Constitution.

How do you come to the conclusion that recognizing what is already obvious is discrimination?

29 posted on 06/07/2006 8:57:10 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.)
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To: BostonCreamPie

Welcome to FR by the way : )


30 posted on 06/07/2006 8:57:31 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: BostonCreamPie

If you don't think gay activism along with judicial activism isn't a "real" problem in this country then you're beyond help.


31 posted on 06/07/2006 8:57:35 AM PDT by Bassfan (No cheese please)
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To: BostonCreamPie
Because it's a stupid f****ing waste of time, maybe?

And refusing cloture to allow a final vote wastes more time. If cloture requires 60 votes and ratification requires 67 votes, then it would have been less waste of time to vote for cloture, then have an actual vote on the amendment which would have resulted in the amendment failing.

32 posted on 06/07/2006 8:57:39 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: BostonCreamPie

ding ding... and we have a winner.

leave this crap to the states.

as for McCain, I think he just put the nail in his "presidential hopes" coffin.


33 posted on 06/07/2006 8:59:58 AM PDT by fhlh (Polls are for Strippers.)
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To: BostonCreamPie
I agree with the previos poster; the states that want the ban will ban it themselves.

Then where will you stand after all but two states ban it, but a federal judge somewhere rules to overturn the will of the people of those 48 states by making their states accept the marriage license of a homo couple from Massachussetts? Then where will you stand if the Supreme Court, because W doesn't get the opportunity to make 2 more appointments, rules that the "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution means that MA and VT can override the will of the people of the other 48 states?

34 posted on 06/07/2006 9:00:45 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Bassfan

"beyond help"?

What, you mean there's something two days of worthless babble from the Senate on a no-go Amendment can't fix!?


35 posted on 06/07/2006 9:01:37 AM PDT by notigar
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To: jwalsh07
John McCain is the political equivalent of the crossdresser. He can't figure out what he is and when all is said and done he will end up as the old maid with a buzz cut.

Right on the money!

36 posted on 06/07/2006 9:01:49 AM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

He's BEEN done.


37 posted on 06/07/2006 9:02:10 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: BostonCreamPie
This is grandstanding and we all know it

Just because "you" don't think gay marriage is a serious issue doesn't mean "we" all go along with your opinion.

We are not all from Massachusetts and haven't been exposed to the heavy propoganda that the gays have unleashed there. Thank God.

38 posted on 06/07/2006 9:02:14 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: BostonCreamPie
Also, I live in a state that has the dreaded "Gay Marriage," and so far the sky hasn't fallen.

How do you like the fact that a couple of liberal activist judges in your state can dictate to the legislature what it can do by making up rulings out of whole cloth?

40 posted on 06/07/2006 9:03:44 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: BostonCreamPie
Also, I live in a state that has the dreaded "Gay Marriage," and so far the sky hasn't fallen. In fact, nobody even cares. We're all too worried about our taxes and the ridiculous costs of real estate.

Have you considered the possibility that those who attach importance to issues for reasons other than the immediate impact on their wallets might simply be more sophisticated and forward-thinking than you?

41 posted on 06/07/2006 9:04:33 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Siena Dreaming

"We are not all from Massachusetts"

So maybe you shouldn't try telling them what to do.


42 posted on 06/07/2006 9:05:11 AM PDT by notigar
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To: zarf

Let the states ban it individually and leave it alone on a national level.

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What was your opinion of the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v Texas? I did not hear people saying that what was law in Texas should stay (or be overturned) in Texas. That was the Supreme Court ruling that has taken the issue of so-called same sex marriage away from the states' jurisdictions.


43 posted on 06/07/2006 9:05:26 AM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: fhlh
leave this crap to the states.

Isn't there a problem with that? If Utah were to allow polygamy (which they got rid of in order to win statehood) and I lived in Provo and had seven wives, I'd be fine. Utah laws says I can.

What happens when I move to Texas?? Is my marriage recognized by my new home state?

It seems to me that leaving the definition of marriage to the states is a non-starter. This requires a national policy.

44 posted on 06/07/2006 9:05:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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To: BostonCreamPie
Also, I live in a state that has the dreaded "Gay Marriage,"?

Troll...

45 posted on 06/07/2006 9:05:41 AM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: andy58-in-nh
It's actually pretty interesting to watch our system in action. State gubmints overruled by fed courts. Fed courts challenged by fed legislature. fed courts overrule. fed legislature attemps to overrule fed courts. legislature overrules itself.

Liberal activism's most successful power source has been the courts (not counting the MSM and the educational system.) And notice also that Clarence Thomas may be the only justice truly willing to undo bad precedent. On a few moral issues, Scalia will do it, because it pleases him, but only Thomas is willing to go the whole way. And so the courts will go on, seemingly unchecked. A flaw in the system? Is there a systemic fix?

46 posted on 06/07/2006 9:06:07 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: zarf
What is discriminatory about preventing judges, especially Federal judges, from changing the plain meaning of words by fiat? Marriage by its nature is dependent on sexual complementarity. If it is not, then all traditional state marriage laws would, by definition be "discriminatory", and subject to litigation and judicial remedy.

With the volume of "same-sex" marriage litigation currently being pursued by gay groups, the ACLU, and others, I seriously doubt that the states could long resist the federal judiciary if it imposes "same-sex" marriage by decree.

47 posted on 06/07/2006 9:06:38 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: JimWforBush
I posted this link on another thread. I knew how this was going to come down before the vote. WE are being fed nothing but BS from the time we wake up till we go to sleep. Bush's speeches are nothing but hallow rhetoric to try and placate us. Who still believes what he says in his speeches?

US gay-rights groups claim victory after US switches vote in UN

48 posted on 06/07/2006 9:06:54 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: fhlh
ing ding... and we have a winner.

leave this crap to the states.

Spoken like someone who arrived in the middle of the conversation and just jumped right in.

50 posted on 06/07/2006 9:07:36 AM PDT by rogue yam
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