Posted on 06/07/2006 8:37:51 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
Edited on 06/07/2006 11:34:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Constitutional Amendment on Marriage Fails
Wednesday, June 07, 2006 WASHINGTON A constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman stalled Wednesday in a 49-48 vote, but conservative backers say they are pleased to have had the vote nonetheless.
"For thousands of years, marriage the union between a man and a woman has been recognized as an essential cornerstone of society. ... We must continue fighting to ensure the Constitution is amended by the will of the people rather than by judicial activism, said Senate Majority leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., after the vote.
A constitutional amendment needs two-thirds votes to pass, but first had to get through the procedural cloture vote, which requires 60 senators to agree to end the debate and move toward final passage.
Shy 11 votes to go to a final debate, few crossed the political aisle to vote against their party's majority position. Republican Sens. John McCain, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Judd Gregg, Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chafee and John Sununu voted against the cloture vote. Democratic Sens. Ben Nelson and Robert Byrd voted for it, as they did in 2004. Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel and Demcratic Sens. Chris Dodd and Jay Rockefeller were absent.
.......and we're off to the campaigns!.............
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U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
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McCain's GOP opponents in '08 have quite a lot of ammo.
Whoever runs against McCain in the primaries in 2008 better use this against McCain.
Stick a fork in ole RINO for he is done.
We got a majority. That's progress. Press on!
The good point is that our senators are all on record. That's a good thing!
And he is all too happy to give them more, as long as it wins him fawning media profiles and appearances on the Sunday news programs.
John McCain is the political equivalent of the crossdresser. He can't figure out what he is and when all is said and done he will end up as the old maid with a buzz cut.
Let the states ban it individually and leave it alone on a national level.
They are generally conservative. I wonder why they went with the Dems on this.
The political careers of these losers needs to end.
I notice that the gays are now real strong in "conservative" NH too!
I will vote for every Pub on my ticket but him.
I should know. He's my Senator and I haven't voted for him the last two times.
He aint makin it through a Pub primary. Not with this kind of baggage.
From the way he's "grown" in the last 15 years, he'll be attending a wedding with a man and his rabbit in another ten.
Thanks for not providing it.
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
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What a surprise! Wait for the next election, "gentlemen".
Well who didn't see this coming.
Good. Now perhaps the Senate can move forward with more pressing matters, like terrorism and illegal immigration and abolishing the death tax.
Sorry. Didn't mean to direct my last post to you. :)
wow, some would differ and without the profanity
I believe we do have a majority in defense of marriage. The difficulty (as with the isssue of illegal aliens) is that Senate rules are frequently used to thwart the will of the majority while avoiding an actual vote. The use of cloture votes and filibusters enables Senators to claim to have been on either side of an issue, depending on who their audience happens to be.
LOL!!
Not going to play well, especially in the primaries. McCain's chances on the GOP nomination, R.I.P.
None of those "real" problems mean squat if there is no family left in America.
How do you come to the conclusion that recognizing what is already obvious is discrimination?
Welcome to FR by the way : )
If you don't think gay activism along with judicial activism isn't a "real" problem in this country then you're beyond help.
And refusing cloture to allow a final vote wastes more time. If cloture requires 60 votes and ratification requires 67 votes, then it would have been less waste of time to vote for cloture, then have an actual vote on the amendment which would have resulted in the amendment failing.
ding ding... and we have a winner.
leave this crap to the states.
as for McCain, I think he just put the nail in his "presidential hopes" coffin.
Then where will you stand after all but two states ban it, but a federal judge somewhere rules to overturn the will of the people of those 48 states by making their states accept the marriage license of a homo couple from Massachussetts? Then where will you stand if the Supreme Court, because W doesn't get the opportunity to make 2 more appointments, rules that the "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution means that MA and VT can override the will of the people of the other 48 states?
"beyond help"?
What, you mean there's something two days of worthless babble from the Senate on a no-go Amendment can't fix!?
Right on the money!
He's BEEN done.
Just because "you" don't think gay marriage is a serious issue doesn't mean "we" all go along with your opinion.
We are not all from Massachusetts and haven't been exposed to the heavy propoganda that the gays have unleashed there. Thank God.
How do you like the fact that a couple of liberal activist judges in your state can dictate to the legislature what it can do by making up rulings out of whole cloth?
Have you considered the possibility that those who attach importance to issues for reasons other than the immediate impact on their wallets might simply be more sophisticated and forward-thinking than you?
"We are not all from Massachusetts"
So maybe you shouldn't try telling them what to do.
Let the states ban it individually and leave it alone on a national level.
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What was your opinion of the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v Texas? I did not hear people saying that what was law in Texas should stay (or be overturned) in Texas. That was the Supreme Court ruling that has taken the issue of so-called same sex marriage away from the states' jurisdictions.
Isn't there a problem with that? If Utah were to allow polygamy (which they got rid of in order to win statehood) and I lived in Provo and had seven wives, I'd be fine. Utah laws says I can.
What happens when I move to Texas?? Is my marriage recognized by my new home state?
It seems to me that leaving the definition of marriage to the states is a non-starter. This requires a national policy.
Troll...
Liberal activism's most successful power source has been the courts (not counting the MSM and the educational system.) And notice also that Clarence Thomas may be the only justice truly willing to undo bad precedent. On a few moral issues, Scalia will do it, because it pleases him, but only Thomas is willing to go the whole way. And so the courts will go on, seemingly unchecked. A flaw in the system? Is there a systemic fix?
With the volume of "same-sex" marriage litigation currently being pursued by gay groups, the ACLU, and others, I seriously doubt that the states could long resist the federal judiciary if it imposes "same-sex" marriage by decree.
US gay-rights groups claim victory after US switches vote in UN
leave this crap to the states.
Spoken like someone who arrived in the middle of the conversation and just jumped right in.
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