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Help! I am failing in dealing with this...
Vanity | 06/07/2007 | Self

Posted on 06/07/2006 11:10:49 AM PDT by Positive

Well, I've been around here for 8 years or so...

I don't think I have ever asked Freepers for help for myself. I have asked for help for a person in distress who is from the UK and was having a crisis in Fresno, CA...Freepers came through.

So here is my problem...my 18 year old daughter, who was raised by her mother since our split 8 years ago, announced at her high school graduation last Sunday that she will be attending San Francisco State University.

I have spoken with her about it, and the conversation was confrontational and unproductive...

Please, anybody, would you share with me any information that might cause her to reconsider...she knows I'm a conservative, she "knows" she's a liberal...in fact, of course, as is usually the case when one is 18 she "knows" everything....


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1 posted on 06/07/2006 11:10:52 AM PDT by Positive
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To: Positive
Tell her congratulations and roll with it.
2 posted on 06/07/2006 11:12:23 AM PDT by TankerKC (¿José puede usted ver?)
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To: Positive

So, don't pay the tuition. Let her pay for it.If she is paying, it's her dime.


3 posted on 06/07/2006 11:12:35 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Positive

Who's paying her way through college?


4 posted on 06/07/2006 11:13:16 AM PDT by Arpege92 (If you don't stand behind our troops...please feel free to stand in front of them!)
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To: Positive

Is she paying for her own education? If so, she can procure it where she likes.

If, on the other hand, you are paying for her education, you get to pick the venue.
BTW, how did she apply to this particular school without your knowing?


5 posted on 06/07/2006 11:13:27 AM PDT by Xenalyte (There are some things money can't buy, like a dinosaur.)
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To: Positive

Find out if it is a good school, Liberal or not. If so, roll with it.


6 posted on 06/07/2006 11:13:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Positive

Let her go. There's nothing you can do at this point; she's 18 and can theoretically think for herself.

You might have to resign yourself to having a liberal daughter, because reality sure won't smack her in the Bay Area.


7 posted on 06/07/2006 11:13:45 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Positive
Why argue about it?

Will you be able to say or do antything that will change her mind? Or will you just "drive" her to do it?

8 posted on 06/07/2006 11:14:03 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Moose Once Bit my Sister. Yeah. She Turned Moose-lim.)
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To: PzLdr

Tell her that the best happy hour is at either Chili's in the Stonestown mall or the Elephant Bar in Daly City.

Best pool table and karaoke is at Molloy's in Colma.


9 posted on 06/07/2006 11:14:24 AM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: Positive
Don't worry about it - her first paycheck in which taxes take 50%+ will start to wake her up. Then when she works hard at 80 hours a week and gets a place of her own but is forced to move when section 8 housing moves in will have her dancing mad and looking around. When she starts have children she will be a "Ditto Head"
10 posted on 06/07/2006 11:14:36 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Positive

Pray she majors in something that will earn a decent living. Once she starts her career, taxes and interaction in the business world should aid in her "awakening" to real life and conservatism.


11 posted on 06/07/2006 11:15:24 AM PDT by edpc
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To: Positive
Golden rule is in effect....

He who has the gold makes the rules....

12 posted on 06/07/2006 11:15:34 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (All of the answers remain available; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions!)
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To: Positive

Tell her it's her decision, but you will not support it financially.
Actions have consequences. She'll learn more from that then 8 years at SF State.


13 posted on 06/07/2006 11:15:36 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Spktyr

Sometimes immersion into a liberal enclave can be an eye-opening experience. Seeing the hypocrisy firsthand.

Some of what she observes make not register for a couple years. And some may be dismissed as an "abberation".


14 posted on 06/07/2006 11:15:40 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: Positive

Who is paying for her education? My parents contributed $ to my college education and with that came their input on the best colleges to attend and those they would pay for (and not).
If it is any consolation, my parents also considered me a liberal (and I probably was) until I started paying taxes with my first real job. Also, the friends I made in college are still my best friends and we are all now staunch conservatives.


15 posted on 06/07/2006 11:15:41 AM PDT by ebersole
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To: Positive

First hand knowledge of the liberal insanity can in the long run make one understand why they are wrong and why conservatism is best.


16 posted on 06/07/2006 11:15:53 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Positive
I have spoken with her about it, and the conversation was confrontational and unproductive...

Please, anybody, would you share with me any information that might cause her to reconsider

As one father to another, I get the feeling that this ship has passed. As someone else said, "roll with it"....

17 posted on 06/07/2006 11:16:12 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: Positive

Tell her you've done some research and you now believe San Francisco State University is the perfect place for her to meet a young man she can marry who will take care of her the rest of her life.


18 posted on 06/07/2006 11:16:21 AM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: Positive

Is she getting the in-state rate?


19 posted on 06/07/2006 11:16:41 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: TankerKC

You know that they know everything at that age, don't you? (I did...). Most will learn EVERYTHING the hard way. (I did). Regardless of our wonderful experience and knowledge. It's stupid but seems to be a universal truth.


20 posted on 06/07/2006 11:16:44 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Positive
Congratulate her and wish her well. Given that she's 18 and was raised by her mother in recent years, I don't think there's much point in try to browbeat her into choosing a college of your liking.
Only time will tell if her viewpoint and yours will converge, but you certainly get to determine the nature of your personal relationship with her.
21 posted on 06/07/2006 11:16:54 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: TankerKC

You are going to have to look long and hard to find any college or univesity that hasn't been infected. They're even in the church colleges.


23 posted on 06/07/2006 11:17:15 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Crawdad

Tell her you think it is wonderful she is moving closer to Michael Savage.


24 posted on 06/07/2006 11:17:18 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: Positive

If she's paying, then wish her luck. If she expects you to pay.. tell her the bad news..

At any rate, if you're paying for college, don't pay up front.. Have your offspring come up with the money and you reimburse after you see the grades. This can be semester by semester or what ever you agree upon. And don't pay for classes that are below a certain grade..

It keeps them focused... and they appreciate how much work it takes to come up with the money


25 posted on 06/07/2006 11:17:31 AM PDT by tje
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To: Positive
Call the governor. Tell the CIA. Cause her to have a permanent limp. Tie her down and put her in the cellar. Pay the mob to whack her. Send her to Australia. Set her up on Federal cocaine trafficking charges and get her a 20 year sentence. Turn her gay and send her to a Pagan commune.

Or, on the other hand, you could just let her live her life.

26 posted on 06/07/2006 11:17:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That's the spirit! She has the rest of her lifetime to become conservative. She might become a NRA Lifetime regardless.


27 posted on 06/07/2006 11:18:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Positive
Statistics show that young people lean liberal, then become more conservative as they hit the real world.

She may just have to go thru a few of those processes and the quicker she does the quicker she may change her view.

This, of course, will require you stepping out of the way as hard as that is...

28 posted on 06/07/2006 11:18:05 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Positive
There are worse universities, she could be going to Berkeley. If she "knows" she's a liberal then she's going to find fertile ground in ANY major university. This is a problem that should have been resolved long ago. As someone else said, roll with it and do your best to help her understand life henceforth.
29 posted on 06/07/2006 11:18:18 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Positive

Yeah, my 18 year old daughter knows everything also.
At least she did not pick out too crappy a school.


30 posted on 06/07/2006 11:18:21 AM PDT by MountainDad
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To: Positive

Who pays her tuition?


31 posted on 06/07/2006 11:18:25 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Positive

My daughter (more conservative than me!) had an $80,000 scholarship to Northwestern in Illinois. She went ahead and made a campus visit to Texas A&M even though she believed sh was going to Northwestern and called that weekend to tell me that she really wanted to go to A&M after the visit. She had already been accepted so it was an answer to this mother's prayer.


32 posted on 06/07/2006 11:18:30 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Positive

Tell her to keep away from any Lacrosse players they might have?


33 posted on 06/07/2006 11:18:57 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (What is it about "illegal" you don't understand?)
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To: TankerKC
Tell her congratulations and roll with it.

Ditto. I told my son I would pay for his college and he won't go.

34 posted on 06/07/2006 11:19:00 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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I love it


35 posted on 06/07/2006 11:19:01 AM PDT by ebersole
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To: Positive

I agree with the others: Just refuse to pay the tuition.

If she's paying for it herself, you can try to talk her into another university. Otherwise, there's not much you can do.

As a divorced dad, are you required to pay her college tuition? If so, don't you have a say as to which school she attends?

I tell my kids that, when they grow up, get jobs, and move out on their own, then they can start making their own decisions. As long as their father and I are paying their bills, it's up to us. That's what my parents always told me. I paid my own college tuition.


36 posted on 06/07/2006 11:19:27 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Positive
Ditto what PzLdr said. Don't pay the tuition. If it's her intent to get a toy degree (i.e. "Medieval Lesbian Literature" or "Undocumented Migrant Health Policy Studies"), then she can pay her own way. You are under no obligation as her father to help her to do stupid things.
37 posted on 06/07/2006 11:19:29 AM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: Lazamataz

Don't worry. If she's observant at all, a few years of liberal outrage will turn her mind right. It happened to me.


38 posted on 06/07/2006 11:19:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Positive
Give her a copy of Atlas Shrugged and let her go..........
39 posted on 06/07/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: Positive

I'd be more worried about what she's planning on majoring in, than what school. I'm no fan of SFSU.. but if she's planning on majoring in business she'll be ok.. if she's planning on majoring in womens studies... or some other ephemerial crap major, I'd sit down and just have a long talk with her about the financial cost and reward of such a foolish endeavor.

I was conservative long before I reached college and no school would have changed my mind on those principles even if I wound up at the most uberliberal university around.


40 posted on 06/07/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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"Tell her you've done some research and you now believe San Francisco State University is the perfect place for her to meet a young man she can marry who will take care of her the rest of her life."

Might work...

41 posted on 06/07/2006 11:20:10 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive

Was it Winston Churchill who said "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you don't have a heart. If you're not a republican when you're 40, you don't have a brain."?


42 posted on 06/07/2006 11:20:14 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: Positive
Give her a hug, wish her the best and just be there for her if necessary.

That's what Dad's are for.

43 posted on 06/07/2006 11:20:22 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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"Is she getting the in-state rate?"

Yes, she is a resident of Riverside County.

44 posted on 06/07/2006 11:21:44 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Positive

First, you have no choice. If you weren't the primary Parent, you just cannot expect that she will hew to your ideals.

Second, few college students really get involved in politics other than jsut spewing the tripe they feed them. All the blather and defiance they exhibit usually amounts to no real effect. It's just youthful blather with little thought of knowledge behind it.

Third, this is an opportunity for you and your daughter to take a new direction in your relationship. One that is adult oriented. You have the opportunity to discuss issues adult to adult (even though she is still young). You will be able to discuss the garbage she is learning in college, counter her blather with your own well founded Conservative facts, and both of you can act as adults in so doing.

If you do it right, you can actually gain respect for each other by discussing things like level headed and thoughtful adults. If she begins to get shrill with her leftism learned from the college, you have the chance to remind her that adults can discuss things with passion but not hatred!

Like many people, she may end up more conservative as the years go by and you might be a bedrock from which she might discover that conservatism.

Like I said, you might have an opportunity here for something good in the long run.

If she stays a leftist, lock your door and never let her come back!! Ha, ha.


45 posted on 06/07/2006 11:22:15 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Positive

Chill out. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience usually comes from bad judgement. She has to figure this out for herself. At least she is going to college and not hooking up with some bum, bad group of friends or knocked up. There is a bright side here...


46 posted on 06/07/2006 11:22:22 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (In West Virginia, even the road less traveled is paved, courtesy of Byrd.)
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To: Positive

What's the issue? You should back off. She should be liberal at 18. SFSU is a fine school.


47 posted on 06/07/2006 11:22:49 AM PDT by againstallhope
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To: Positive

Don't make it an issue or she will dig her heels in even harder. If it helps, my daughter is attending a liberal leaning private university. She's turned into a "greenie" and I hear constant comments about how the products I buy and use are destroying the rain forest (eyeroll). We're in Texas and she has an over abundance of sympathy for the plight of the "poor" illegals for which I could cheerfully slap her. But on the plus side she attends a campus church, thinks friends who drink and drive are stupid, she rejects drugs, she recognizes her English professor's lesbian agenda and resents having it crammed down her throat. She was raised with conservative values and I have faith a dose of life in the real world will revise some of her opinions. It's an age of experimenting with different ideas and being exposed to different ethics and value systems. Just pray!


48 posted on 06/07/2006 11:25:58 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: synbad600

Not exactly. Since Churchill was in Britain, he used the term "conservative", not "Republican".


49 posted on 06/07/2006 11:26:36 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Lazamataz
Turn her gay and send her to a Pagan commune.

Isn't this redundant? After all, she's going to SF State.

50 posted on 06/07/2006 11:27:28 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Moose Once Bit my Sister. Yeah. She Turned Moose-lim.)
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