Skip to comments.Why Did "Rights Group" Delay Revealing Haditha "Massacre"?
Posted on 06/07/2006 3:56:26 PM PDT by Sam Hill
The man Time Magazine first described as a "budding journalism student" Thaer Thabit al-Hadithi is now portrayed as an "Iraq Investigator" by the DNC's Associated Press.
But excerpts from the AP's article raises some questions about him and his group's only other member, Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani:
Secretary-General of the Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring, and also a Haditha resident who witnessed parts of the incident, Thaer al-Hadithi, gives a detailed account of the alleged massacre of 24 Iraqis by U.S. Marines last year, to an Associated Press reporter at the offices of the group in Baghdad, Iraq Tuesday, June 6, 2006.
Iraq Investigator Tells AP About Haditha
June 7, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq A small group of U.S. Marines alleged to have killed up to two dozen Iraqi civilians conducted a house-to-house hunt that stretched over three hours, while other Marines in Haditha did not intervene, according to an Iraqi human rights investigator.
The Associated Press interview of the activist is the most detailed account yet of Iraqi accusations that Marines went on a rampage after a comrade was killed by a bomb. Two separate U.S. military investigations of the incident are under way.
Thaer al-Hadithi, a member and spokesman for the Hammurabi human rights association, a Sunni Muslim group, recounted with the help of a satellite map when and where Iraqi civilians cowered and sometimes died.
The case, which came to public attention two months ago because of a video released by the Hammurabi group, is threatening to further weaken popular support for the Iraq war in the United States and has tarnished the militarys image in Iraq and around the world...
Hammurabi chairman Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani told the AP on Tuesday that his group was investigating other violations of Iraqi civil rights by Western forces in the mainly Sunni Arab provinces of Anbar and Salaheddin to the west and north of Baghdad. He said the group also was looking into violations by Iraqi security forces, militias and tribal clans.
"We are also against terrorism," he said...
Al-Hadithi did not attend any of the meetings between victims families and the U.S. military, but he based his account of what the Marines officer said on briefings from Hammurabis Haditha representative and conversations with the families.
Al-Mashhadani, Hammurabis chairman, who lectures on economics at Baghdads al-Mustansiriyah University, said the organization was publicizing the Haditha incident to make sure its not repeated...
But back in March when this story first was reported by Time Magazine we were told by Time reporter Ghosh that Thaer Thabit (aka Thabet) al-Hadithi did not want his name known out of concern for his personal safety.
Why start a human rights group if you want to remain anonymous?
But that is just the start of the many questionable aspects of Thabits accounts.
Bear in mind that this "budding journalism student" waited until the next day to videotape this alleged atrocity, which supposedly happened on his very doorstep.
Not that this same "budding journalism student" and self-proclaimed human rights watcher did not bother to turn over his video to a media outlet or a real human rights group from November 2005 until March 2006. A four month delay.
Thats how eager they were to make sure such a crime is never again repeated.
And look at the Thabit's partner at Hammurabi, Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani .
Al-Mashhadani is described in a December 15, 2005 article from the Institute For War And Peace as an election monitor. In fact, he expressed great satisfaction with the turnout in the Iraqi elections:
Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani, an election monitor in Baghdad with the non-governmental organisation Hamurabi, said no major violations occurred in Baghdad. He expected 90 per cent turnout in Sunni Arab areas.
(Which is quite ironic, given that only 150 people out of 90,000 dare to risk their lives to vote in the earlier October referendum in Haditha.)
But if Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani was talking to the media in December about the election turnout, why didn't he tell them then about this alleged atrocity at Haditha that had just occurred three weeks before?
Wasn't that the purpose in starting the Hammurabi group?
It just doesn't make sense.
Fishy time line ping.
It takes time to manufacture quality evidence.
They learned that from Dan Rather.
This rat gets bigger and bigger every day...and smells more and more.
The propaganda arm of Al-Qaeda.
Terrorist: "Trust me. Trust NBC,ABC,CBS,PBS, and al-Jazerra.
And don't get any ideas or look at my computer."
Thank you for this info. Very interesting. These guys should be watched very closely.
Too far away from the Congressional elections at that point. Whether this guy is actually trying to hurt Bush or not isn't as relevant as the fact that the publicity machine he must use, is.
Excellent job. Thank you for your posts on this topic (and many others of interest).
They didn't. They spoke to Capt McConnell about it, no later than early Dec. That includes Iraqi Time employees. Those employees pressed Time to do a story, because the bad press release gave it the appearance of a coverup. Time spoke to to Lt Col Johnson in Jan.
AMY GOODMAN: And then, this Haditha journalism student, who is this student?
APARISIM GHOSH: Wed rather not say, for his own protection, but hes a young local man. Its not uncommon in Iraq for young people to have video cameras and cameras, and there's so much going on in their lives that they have plenty to shoot.
AMY GOODMAN: And you got a hold of this, or Hammurabi Human Rights got a hold of this.
APARISIM GHOSH: He brought the tape to Hammurabi Human Rights, which is a local human rights group, and they brought it to us once they found out that we were inquiring about this.
I smell Michael Moore and his terrorist cameramen again
It takes time to manufacture quality evidence.
They learned that from Dan Rather.
Actually, they probably learned from Rather that if the timing was right you didn't need any evidence. Simply make up the story to fit your desired outcome and start yelling to the MSM traitor brigade. As Rush has said many times, "It isn't the evidence, its the seriousness of the charge."
Okay, there is one time line that has confused me from the beginning of this...
I thought that Muslims believe that they have to bury their dead on the day they die...
If this is true,...could this so-called massacre happen, the guy with the video camera go to the house, video all of this...and then the Marines or whoever, go to the house and take the bodies to the hospital...all in one day??
Beyond fishy. It's false propaganda.
The Sweetness and Light guys (gals?) are doing good work
Did I read somewhere that one of our guys had meetings with local leaders for weeks after and no one mentioned this "massacre" to him either?
Yes. Lt. Kimber met with locals for weeks after and did not hear boo about a "massacre".
Kimber is a Capt with India Co. Capt McConnell spoke with the locals and they were not happy about these families being killed. McConnell told them it was a mistake.
Notably, Kimber says he heard nothing about a civilian massacre during weekly meetings with the Haditha City Council and talks with local leaders. "It would have been huge, there would have been no question it would have filtered down to us," he said. "We reported no significant atmospheric change as a result of that day."
Something else that stinks about this accusation, is the fact that the mayor of Haditha thanked the US and the Marine Corps for liberating his city from terrorists when this operation was concluded. Nothing came out from anyone until four months later.
BTW, do you have a reference/link where Capt McConnell says it was a mistake?
""It would have been huge, there would have been no question it would have filtered down to us," he said."
I suppose Capt Kimber never knew about the bad press release.
I don't think there's a thread on it.
If he had not heard of it while working next to Kilo, and having weekly meetings with the Haditha city council AND local leaders, that tells me this whole massacre business is MUCH MUCH less than meets the MSM's eye.
Go see this. The MSM's source.
There are already two threads on that one.
Yes, the fact that he agrees that everyone in the 2 houses were all collateral damage means just that. See the original Time article for the account of his telling the mayor it was a mistake.
I thought we realized that the Time article was mostly bunk. But yes, I'll go back again and look.
And paying $$ to dead civilians families does not implicate crime, only that they were collateral damage. And I'm growing alot more confident that the Marines did not kill them.
LOL, when I sent you to a thread link it was this one. I thought we were on another thread. I'm having a hard time keeping them all straight.
And the MSM swallowed the bait whole!
Sgt Wuterich, Capt McConnell, Lt Col Chessani and the Marine Corps agree that they did kill them. The folks from Kilo Co say that it was a mistake.
"paying $$ to dead civilians families does not implicate crime"
In this case it means the action taken was a mistake.
Capt Kimber claims he was away from town during all of it. He went public claiming just that. He's claiming he never heard anything about it, he was out of town and that the Marine Corps is unjustly punishing him for it. Last I heard he was promising to go on SoCal radio claiming he's the same. link If Kimber is now saying he knows all about this, then he was probably relieved for lack of confidence, because he can't get anything straight.
Emad Jawad Hamza, led an angry delegation of elders up to the Marine camp beside a dam on the Euphrates River. Hamza says, "The captain admitted that his men had made a mistake. He said that his men thought there were terrorists near the houses, and he didn't give any other reason."
That's some guy named Hamza talking, not the Captain.
Read his quote. He does not KNOW about the "massacre" because he was fighting elsewhere that day. But he DOES know that following the "massacre" he heard nothing about it. From his fellow Marines, from Haditha City leaders and councilmen WHO HE WORKED WITH after that day. He heard about it from the press, which heard about if from the Hammurabi sources mentioned in this article.
Hamza's the mayor. You have 2 choices. Either the story he told Hamza, that it was a mistake is true, or not. McConnell told Maj. Watt and 3rd battalion intel the same thing.
The stench of lies...
A 3rd choice is that Hamza is not getting his quotes quite right. Do you think a mayor could survive in Haditha if he did not have at least tacit approval of the terrorists? I'm not willing to take him at his word, or at least I would need more than his word.
So which article is Maj. Watt telling the press that McConnell said it was a mistake?
A native of the town, al-Hadithi was an administrator in the Hadithas main hospital before he took leave to work with Hammurabi, which was set up 16 months ago.
Dr. Walid Abdul-Hameed al-Obeidi is the head of the Haditha hospital, where he serves at the pleasure of the terrorists.
He is the doctor who claims US soldiers kept him prisoner for a week, beat him up regularly and threatened his life.
Hes also behind the claim that all of the victims were shot at close range. And he probably signed the death certificates.
What a small world, huh?
There's only 2 choices, because the Marines involved did kill the 2 families. Either they killed them by mistake, or they killed them deliberately.
It's a small, phony pile of dung, best I can tell.
No, the terrorists could have killed some of them. That is a distinct possibility. But I'll take your bait.
If they killed them by mistake, in the course of a firefight, then that is NOT a massacre. Unfortuante, yes, but not a massacre. And there is NO INDICATION from anyone OTHER than the iraqi "witnesses" that it was such. The entire MSM is relying on the massacre meme, meaning they believe the "witnesses". If it was a "massacre" Kimber would have heard about it, it would not have taken months for the video to be given to the MSM, the witnesses would not be these shady, terrorist approved citizens.
Did you know that the Hammurabi Human Rights group was also responsible for the trumped up charges at Ishaqi? The one where the men were just cleared from.
Found it. Thanks
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