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Why Did "Rights Group" Delay Revealing Haditha "Massacre"?
Sweetness & Light ^ | June 7, 2006 | N/A

Posted on 06/07/2006 3:56:26 PM PDT by Sam Hill

The man Time Magazine first described as a "budding journalism student" Thaer Thabit al-Hadithi is now portrayed as an "Iraq Investigator" by the DNC's Associated Press.

But excerpts from the AP's article raises some questions about him and his group's only other member, Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani:

Secretary-General of the Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring, and also a Haditha resident who witnessed parts of the incident, Thaer al-Hadithi, gives a detailed account of the alleged massacre of 24 Iraqis by U.S. Marines last year, to an Associated Press reporter at the offices of the group in Baghdad, Iraq Tuesday, June 6, 2006.

Iraq Investigator Tells AP About Haditha

June 7, 2006

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A small group of U.S. Marines alleged to have killed up to two dozen Iraqi civilians conducted a house-to-house hunt that stretched over three hours, while other Marines in Haditha did not intervene, according to an Iraqi human rights investigator.

The Associated Press interview of the activist is the most detailed account yet of Iraqi accusations that Marines went on a rampage after a comrade was killed by a bomb. Two separate U.S. military investigations of the incident are under way.

Thaer al-Hadithi, a member and spokesman for the Hammurabi human rights association, a Sunni Muslim group, recounted with the help of a satellite map when and where Iraqi civilians cowered and sometimes died.

The case, which came to public attention two months ago because of a video released by the Hammurabi group, is threatening to further weaken popular support for the Iraq war in the United States and has tarnished the military’s image in Iraq and around the world...

Hammurabi chairman Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani told the AP on Tuesday that his group was investigating other violations of Iraqi civil rights by Western forces in the mainly Sunni Arab provinces of Anbar and Salaheddin to the west and north of Baghdad. He said the group also was looking into violations by Iraqi security forces, militias and tribal clans.

"We are also against terrorism," he said...

Al-Hadithi did not attend any of the meetings between victims’ families and the U.S. military, but he based his account of what the Marines officer said on briefings from Hammurabi’s Haditha representative and conversations with the families.

Al-Mashhadani, Hammurabi’s chairman, who lectures on economics at Baghdad’s al-Mustansiriyah University, said the organization was publicizing the Haditha incident to make sure it’s not repeated...

But back in March when this story first was reported by Time Magazine we were told by Time reporter Ghosh that Thaer Thabit (aka Thabet) al-Hadithi did not want his name known out of concern for his personal safety.

Why start a human rights group if you want to remain anonymous?

But that is just the start of the many questionable aspects of Thabit’s accounts.

Bear in mind that this "budding journalism student" waited until the next day to videotape this alleged atrocity, which supposedly happened on his very doorstep.

Not that this same "budding journalism student" and self-proclaimed human rights watcher did not bother to turn over his video to a media outlet or a real human rights group from November 2005 until March 2006. A four month delay.

That’s how eager they were to make sure such a crime is never again repeated.

And look at the Thabit's partner at Hammurabi, Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani .

Al-Mashhadani is described in a December 15, 2005 article from the Institute For War And Peace as an election monitor. In fact, he expressed great satisfaction with the turnout in the Iraqi elections:

Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani, an election monitor in Baghdad with the non-governmental organisation Hamurabi, said no major violations occurred in Baghdad. He expected 90 per cent turnout in Sunni Arab areas.

(Which is quite ironic, given that only 150 people out of 90,000 dare to risk their lives to vote in the earlier October referendum in Haditha.)

But if Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani was talking to the media in December about the election turnout, why didn't he tell them then about this alleged atrocity at Haditha that had just occurred three weeks before?

Wasn't that the purpose in starting the Hammurabi group?

It just doesn't make sense.


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Why did they wait four months to tell anyone about this?
1 posted on 06/07/2006 3:56:28 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Howlin; Deb; kcvl; Mo1; Enchante; nopardons; veronica; KJC1; stocksthatgoup; mewzilla; backhoe; ...

Fishy time line ping.


2 posted on 06/07/2006 3:58:23 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

bttt


3 posted on 06/07/2006 3:59:22 PM PDT by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: Sam Hill

It takes time to manufacture quality evidence.

They learned that from Dan Rather.


4 posted on 06/07/2006 4:00:25 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Sam Hill

This rat gets bigger and bigger every day...and smells more and more.


5 posted on 06/07/2006 4:02:13 PM PDT by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Sam Hill
He looks like a go***mn child pornographer.
6 posted on 06/07/2006 4:05:59 PM PDT by Jaysun (In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.)
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To: Sam Hill
Because it was a set up.
7 posted on 06/07/2006 4:06:10 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Sam Hill

The propaganda arm of Al-Qaeda.


8 posted on 06/07/2006 4:09:15 PM PDT by magslinger (WWJBD? What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: Sam Hill

Terrorist: "Trust me. Trust NBC,ABC,CBS,PBS, and al-Jazerra.
And don't get any ideas or look at my computer."

9 posted on 06/07/2006 4:10:23 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Sam Hill

Thank you for this info. Very interesting. These guys should be watched very closely.


10 posted on 06/07/2006 4:11:16 PM PDT by The Blitherer ("These are not dark days, these are great days." W. S. Churchill)
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To: Sam Hill

Too far away from the Congressional elections at that point. Whether this guy is actually trying to hurt Bush or not isn't as relevant as the fact that the publicity machine he must use, is.


11 posted on 06/07/2006 4:11:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sam Hill

Excellent job. Thank you for your posts on this topic (and many others of interest).


12 posted on 06/07/2006 4:12:50 PM PDT by KJC1 (Ant overboard! Hammerhead shark feeding frenzy!)
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To: Sam Hill
"Why did they wait four months to tell anyone about this?"

An excellent question! The answer lies with one or more of the following points: (1) wait for optimal propaganda moment; (2) wait for optimal personal propaganda contact such as meeting the TIME mag. bozo from Beserkley; (3) takes time to manufacture the desired evidence; (4) prompt coalition investigation in Nov. 2005 could have blown apart the propaganda set-up, now it's difficult or impossible to disprove jihadist assertions..... And so on....... these fraudulent "human rights" jihadists must be exposed and discredited. Whatever went on in Haditha, these two are far from credible sources for anything.
13 posted on 06/07/2006 4:13:44 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Sam Hill
"Why did they wait four months to tell anyone about this?"

They didn't. They spoke to Capt McConnell about it, no later than early Dec. That includes Iraqi Time employees. Those employees pressed Time to do a story, because the bad press release gave it the appearance of a coverup. Time spoke to to Lt Col Johnson in Jan.

14 posted on 06/07/2006 4:19:38 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Enchante
Back in March when this story first was reported by Time Magazine we were told by Time reporter Ghosh (via Democracy Now!) that Thaer Thabit (aka Thabet) al-Hadithi did not want his name known out of concern for his personal safety:

AMY GOODMAN: And then, this Haditha journalism student, who is this student?

APARISIM GHOSH: We’d rather not say, for his own protection, but he’s a young local man. It’s not uncommon in Iraq for young people to have video cameras and cameras, and there's so much going on in their lives that they have plenty to shoot.

AMY GOODMAN: And you got a hold of this, or Hammurabi Human Rights got a hold of this.

APARISIM GHOSH: He brought the tape to Hammurabi Human Rights, which is a local human rights group, and they brought it to us once they found out that we were inquiring about this.


15 posted on 06/07/2006 4:21:08 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill; potlatch; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; Howlin


I smell Michael Moore and his terrorist cameramen again


16 posted on 06/07/2006 4:31:56 PM PDT by devolve (fx AMERICANS_KILLED_IN_2003_BY_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_REPORT_4380+4745=9125 NO__NUEVO__TEJAS!)
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To: airborne

It takes time to manufacture quality evidence.

They learned that from Dan Rather.
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Actually, they probably learned from Rather that if the timing was right you didn't need any evidence. Simply make up the story to fit your desired outcome and start yelling to the MSM traitor brigade. As Rush has said many times, "It isn't the evidence, its the seriousness of the charge."


17 posted on 06/07/2006 4:33:01 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: Sam Hill

Okay, there is one time line that has confused me from the beginning of this...

I thought that Muslims believe that they have to bury their dead on the day they die...

If this is true,...could this so-called massacre happen, the guy with the video camera go to the house, video all of this...and then the Marines or whoever, go to the house and take the bodies to the hospital...all in one day??


18 posted on 06/07/2006 4:33:42 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Sam Hill; delacoert; Coop; Velveeta; Txsleuth; txflake; jazusamo

Beyond fishy. It's false propaganda.

The Sweetness and Light guys (gals?) are doing good work


19 posted on 06/07/2006 4:34:39 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Did I read somewhere that one of our guys had meetings with local leaders for weeks after and no one mentioned this "massacre" to him either?


20 posted on 06/07/2006 4:38:41 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Sam Hill
The man has the look of the weasel, that is, the pathological liar.
Listening to Mike Savage interviewing the wife of a marine who is in jail and shackled even when talking to his own wife. The marines who fight the war are treated worse than any terrorist who murders innocent people and they did nothing but volunteer for the service.
An evil day when American soldiers are put in jail for doing their job.
Politicians are such scum.
21 posted on 06/07/2006 4:41:43 PM PDT by kindred ( Ro.5:6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.)
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To: roses of sharon

Yes. Lt. Kimber met with locals for weeks after and did not hear boo about a "massacre".


22 posted on 06/07/2006 4:44:41 PM PDT by pissant
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To: devolve
[I smell Michael Moore and his terrorist cameramen again]

I smell scum pond left wing propaganda pushing liars along with the stench of cowardly right wing politicians. The best thing that could happen to America is the disappearance of the whole political establishment of America. Perhaps some other world aliens could abduct and torture the left wing fools(perhaps talking to them incessantly without meaning or content as they do to unsuspecting citizens)as a repayment for what they do all good willed citizens and soldiers.
23 posted on 06/07/2006 4:49:50 PM PDT by kindred ( Ro.5:6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.)
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To: pissant; roses of sharon
"Yes. Lt. Kimber met with locals for weeks after and did not hear boo about a "massacre"."

Kimber is a Capt with India Co. Capt McConnell spoke with the locals and they were not happy about these families being killed. McConnell told them it was a mistake.

24 posted on 06/07/2006 4:57:45 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
I did not say he was there for the firefight. From The AP and FrontPage:

Notably, Kimber says he heard nothing about a civilian massacre during weekly meetings with the Haditha City Council and talks with local leaders. "It would have been huge, there would have been no question it would have filtered down to us," he said. "We reported no significant atmospheric change as a result of that day."

25 posted on 06/07/2006 5:07:56 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Sam Hill

Something else that stinks about this accusation, is the fact that the mayor of Haditha thanked the US and the Marine Corps for liberating his city from terrorists when this operation was concluded. Nothing came out from anyone until four months later.


26 posted on 06/07/2006 5:07:59 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: spunkets

BTW, do you have a reference/link where Capt McConnell says it was a mistake?


27 posted on 06/07/2006 5:12:51 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
This was Kilo Co. Kimber was not involved and his talks with the city council are not related. McConnell's the one that talked to the mayor's group about the incident. If Kimber is involved at all, nothing about that's been mentioned.

""It would have been huge, there would have been no question it would have filtered down to us," he said."

I suppose Capt Kimber never knew about the bad press release.

28 posted on 06/07/2006 5:15:15 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Sam Hill
Have you looked at this article?

Haditha: Reason for Doubt

I don't think there's a thread on it.

29 posted on 06/07/2006 5:16:35 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: spunkets

If he had not heard of it while working next to Kilo, and having weekly meetings with the Haditha city council AND local leaders, that tells me this whole massacre business is MUCH MUCH less than meets the MSM's eye.

Go see this. The MSM's source.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645216/posts


30 posted on 06/07/2006 5:19:04 PM PDT by pissant
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To: delacoert

There are already two threads on that one.


31 posted on 06/07/2006 5:22:26 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
"BTW, do you have a reference/link where Capt McConnell says it was a mistake?"

Yes, the fact that he agrees that everyone in the 2 houses were all collateral damage means just that. See the original Time article for the account of his telling the mayor it was a mistake.

32 posted on 06/07/2006 5:22:36 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

I thought we realized that the Time article was mostly bunk. But yes, I'll go back again and look.

And paying $$ to dead civilians families does not implicate crime, only that they were collateral damage. And I'm growing alot more confident that the Marines did not kill them.


33 posted on 06/07/2006 5:25:07 PM PDT by pissant
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To: spunkets

LOL, when I sent you to a thread link it was this one. I thought we were on another thread. I'm having a hard time keeping them all straight.


34 posted on 06/07/2006 5:27:15 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Sam Hill; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645267/posts


35 posted on 06/07/2006 5:28:41 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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Why did they wait four months to tell anyone about this?

PR scam!!!

And the MSM swallowed the bait whole!

36 posted on 06/07/2006 5:31:54 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: pissant
" I'm growing alot more confident that the Marines did not kill them."

Sgt Wuterich, Capt McConnell, Lt Col Chessani and the Marine Corps agree that they did kill them. The folks from Kilo Co say that it was a mistake.

"paying $$ to dead civilians families does not implicate crime"

In this case it means the action taken was a mistake.

37 posted on 06/07/2006 5:33:48 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: pissant
"If he had not heard of it while working next to Kilo, and having weekly meetings with the Haditha city council AND local leaders, that tells me this whole massacre business is MUCH MUCH less than meets the MSM's eye."

Capt Kimber claims he was away from town during all of it. He went public claiming just that. He's claiming he never heard anything about it, he was out of town and that the Marine Corps is unjustly punishing him for it. Last I heard he was promising to go on SoCal radio claiming he's the same. link If Kimber is now saying he knows all about this, then he was probably relieved for lack of confidence, because he can't get anything straight.

38 posted on 06/07/2006 5:38:48 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
From the Time article, the only reference I could find to a mistake is this:

Emad Jawad Hamza, led an angry delegation of elders up to the Marine camp beside a dam on the Euphrates River. Hamza says, "The captain admitted that his men had made a mistake. He said that his men thought there were terrorists near the houses, and he didn't give any other reason."

That's some guy named Hamza talking, not the Captain.

39 posted on 06/07/2006 5:39:18 PM PDT by pissant
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To: spunkets

Read his quote. He does not KNOW about the "massacre" because he was fighting elsewhere that day. But he DOES know that following the "massacre" he heard nothing about it. From his fellow Marines, from Haditha City leaders and councilmen WHO HE WORKED WITH after that day. He heard about it from the press, which heard about if from the Hammurabi sources mentioned in this article.


40 posted on 06/07/2006 5:42:46 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SE Mom

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/


41 posted on 06/07/2006 5:43:48 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: pissant
" That's some guy named Hamza talking, not the Captain."

Hamza's the mayor. You have 2 choices. Either the story he told Hamza, that it was a mistake is true, or not. McConnell told Maj. Watt and 3rd battalion intel the same thing.

42 posted on 06/07/2006 5:45:38 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Sam Hill

The stench of lies...


43 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:43 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: spunkets

A 3rd choice is that Hamza is not getting his quotes quite right. Do you think a mayor could survive in Haditha if he did not have at least tacit approval of the terrorists? I'm not willing to take him at his word, or at least I would need more than his word.

So which article is Maj. Watt telling the press that McConnell said it was a mistake?


44 posted on 06/07/2006 5:50:06 PM PDT by pissant
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I cut it out of the AP article, just because I didn’t want to confuse the timeline point. But the article noted that Thaer Thabit al-Hadithi worked at the Haditha hospital under Dr. Walid Abdul-Hameed al-Obeidi, before he decided he wanted to become a journalist/human rights activist:

A native of the town, al-Hadithi was an administrator in the Haditha’s main hospital before he took leave to work with Hammurabi, which was set up 16 months ago.

Dr. Walid Abdul-Hameed al-Obeidi is the head of the Haditha hospital, where he serves at the pleasure of the terrorists.

He is the doctor who claims US soldiers kept him prisoner for a week, beat him up regularly and threatened his life.

He’s also behind the claim that all of the victims were shot at close range. And he probably signed the death certificates.

What a small world, huh?

45 posted on 06/07/2006 5:52:10 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: pissant
" I'm not willing to take him at his word, or at least I would need more than his word. "

There's only 2 choices, because the Marines involved did kill the 2 families. Either they killed them by mistake, or they killed them deliberately.

46 posted on 06/07/2006 5:53:48 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Sam Hill

It's a small, phony pile of dung, best I can tell.


47 posted on 06/07/2006 5:54:10 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Sam Hill

Fishy indeed!


48 posted on 06/07/2006 5:58:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: spunkets

No, the terrorists could have killed some of them. That is a distinct possibility. But I'll take your bait.

If they killed them by mistake, in the course of a firefight, then that is NOT a massacre. Unfortuante, yes, but not a massacre. And there is NO INDICATION from anyone OTHER than the iraqi "witnesses" that it was such. The entire MSM is relying on the massacre meme, meaning they believe the "witnesses". If it was a "massacre" Kimber would have heard about it, it would not have taken months for the video to be given to the MSM, the witnesses would not be these shady, terrorist approved citizens.

Did you know that the Hammurabi Human Rights group was also responsible for the trumped up charges at Ishaqi? The one where the men were just cleared from.


49 posted on 06/07/2006 6:06:33 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Found it. Thanks


50 posted on 06/07/2006 6:07:50 PM PDT by delacoert
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