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1 posted on 06/07/2006 5:42:44 PM PDT by jmc1969
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.308 would be my caliber of choice.


2 posted on 06/07/2006 5:44:45 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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Bring back the M-14 with 3 round fire capability! 7.62 will put them down to stay!


3 posted on 06/07/2006 5:45:35 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amensty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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Right.

4 posted on 06/07/2006 5:45:41 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Make Love, Not Cartoons. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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This is just cyclical news. This issue comes up about 4 times a year.
5 posted on 06/07/2006 5:46:47 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Make Love, Not Cartoons. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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History often repeats itself when fighting Muslims or fanatics.

The .45 round was created to put down people like that.


6 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:23 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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The M-16 ammo has the advantage of being light weight and easier to carry, but I'd still rather weigh myself down a little more and use .308 in combat, assuming my rifle is good.


7 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:31 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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As American troop casualties in Iraq Detroit and Washington DC continue to mount, concern is growing they may be outgunned.
8 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:41 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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It took a shot to the head with a pistol to finally bring him down. But before he died, he killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded seven more.

Most likely high on drugs; bring back the dum-dum bullet.

9 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:45 PM PDT by demlosers
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Good grief! This has been an issue since Vietnam and CBS just discovered our troops are undergunned? Somehow I doubt the seriousness of their concern.


10 posted on 06/07/2006 5:48:29 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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The M16 can be chambered to handle much more powerful cartridges. They've tested the new Remmington 6.8 SPC and several others. The problem is that it's taking far too long to make a decision.


11 posted on 06/07/2006 5:48:30 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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"There is no such thing as a well-aimed shot in combat, because combat is fought by scared 18-year-olds who haven't been trained enough and are in a place they've never seen before," Sprey says.

Wow, I am surprised he admitted that. He's right, if you are going to give rifles to people who aren't well trained they should be light, etc. However, the real issue is not what rifle is being carried, but rather why the soldiers aren't properly trained.

12 posted on 06/07/2006 5:50:22 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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It's just goofy to send our guys over there with Phasers on stun.


14 posted on 06/07/2006 5:50:52 PM PDT by RobRoy
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.223 is an excellent varmint round, but illegal to use on deer sized game in most states. I have often wondered about that.


15 posted on 06/07/2006 5:52:43 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Uh...I don't think so.

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16 posted on 06/07/2006 5:54:35 PM PDT by randita
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These guys crack me up. The media HATES the war- they detest the military and look at them as though they're from another planet...and YET- they are concerned that combat soldiers may or may not have adequate firepower?

pppffftttt..


17 posted on 06/07/2006 5:55:10 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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OK ten responses and I hadn't seen it, so I have to say it.

This is the Haditha one-two. If the holes in the victims are from AK-47's, the press is laying the groudwork to say the Marines did it anyway. Plain and simple, folks.

20 posted on 06/07/2006 5:59:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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Oh, fer cripes' sake! Do we have to fight THIS battle again???? And from media who don't know a 5.56 mankiller from a 6.5 Mannlicher.

This is just more media buzz to undermine confidence in our equipment. The 5.56 will kill a raghead just as dead as dropping an anvil on him.

22 posted on 06/07/2006 6:00:31 PM PDT by IronJack
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When I was in the Army I remember hearing a story about how we got the M16. Don't know if it's true, but basically some general who was buddies with an arms manufacturer signed a deal for the M16s without the approval of Congress. The government, wanting to avoid embarrassment, simply went along with it seeing as how thousands of them had already been ordered and paid for.

On another note, the M16 would be the perfect weapon for our enemies to use against us. The premise is that the M16 will not kill, but rather wound and incapacitate a combatant. The result is that you take out two soldiers for every one hit - the second one being taken out of the fray to attend to his wounded comrade. Like I said, it would be a perfect tactic to use against us since those in the US military do all they can to never leave a wounded man behind. However, the enemies we face today have no problems purposely blowing themselves up. Frankly, the two for one tactic will not work against people who don't care for human life and are eager to die.

The time for the M16 has passed. We desperately need something with much more stopping power.


26 posted on 06/07/2006 6:03:53 PM PDT by frankiep (Visualize Whirled Peas)
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Old news, about 40 years old. I prefer the M-14, though the plastic rifle can be chambered for .308. But what's with

the small-caliber 5.56, essentially a .22-caliber civilian bullet, is far better suited for shooting squirrels than the enemy

I presume the Major doesn't care to eat his squirrels.

27 posted on 06/07/2006 6:04:16 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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There is no doubt that, given the same circumstances, a 7.62 round will have more stopping power than a 5.56 round. I've seen wounds cause by an AK-47 round - 7.62 - and an M-16 - 5.56 - and in both instances the subjects were just a dead. In the heat, over a long distance, with all the body armor used in Iraq, I'd take the M-16 where I could carry more ammo. It was the same in Nam.
Why do we go through this again and again? This seems more appropriate over a few beers with old soldiers and foggy memories.


38 posted on 06/07/2006 6:14:07 PM PDT by caisson71
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