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'US Military Hides Many More Hadithas'
Inter Press Service News Agency ^ | June 7, 2006 | Aaron Glantz and Alaa Hassan

Posted on 06/08/2006 11:44:00 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BAGHDAD, Jun 6 (IPS) - An Iraqi doctor who was in Haditha during a deadly U.S. raid last year says there are many more stories like that in Haditha that are yet untold.

The Pentagon admitted last week that U.S. Marines killed 24 civilians -- including a 66-year-old woman and a four-year-old boy -- in the Western Iraqi town last November. Before that, the military had maintained the civilians were killed by a roadside bomb.

"There are many, many, many cases like Haditha that are still undercover and need to be highlighted in Iraq," Dr. Salam Ishmael, projects manager with the organisation Doctors for Iraq, and former chief of the junior doctors in Baghdad's Medical City Hospital told IPS.

In Haditha itself, he said, the U.S. military cut electricity and water to the entire city, attacked the hospital and burned the pharmacy.

"The hospital has been attacked three times. In November 2005 the hospital was occupied by the American and Iraqi Army for seven days, which is a severe breach of the Geneva Conventions," he said.

"In one of these attacks, the U.S. soldiers used live ammunition inside the hospital. They handcuffed all the doctors and destroyed the entire contents of the medical storage. It ended with the killing of one of the patients in his bed."

The Iraqi Red Crescent reported at the time that nearly 1,000 families had been forced to flee their homes in Haditha following the launch of the U.S.-led military operation.

The Pentagon has responded to allegations of a massacre at Haditha by withdrawing the concerned soldiers from Iraq and investigating them for criminal misconduct. Authorities also say they will launch a new round of "ethical training" for American troops before they are sent overseas.

Joseph Hatcher served in the western Iraqi town of Dawr from February 2004 until March last year. He said his cultural training before deployment consisted of a three-hour class and a pamphlet he was given.

"It's just here's where you are on a map, because you'd be surprised how many people don't know that," Hatcher told IPS. "The only language training we received was a hand-out flip book type flyer which was how to say things like 'go down on your hands and knees' and 'don't resist'. We didn't learn how to make any kind of conversation."

During his time in Iraq, Hatcher took part in many house-to-house raids similar to the one in Haditha. He said none of the members of his unit spoke Arabic, and usually they went in without a translator.

"We would use very little language at all in house raids," he said.. "You point a barrel of a gun at somebody and pull them to the ground. It's fairly standard. There's no way to know if you're getting anyone of value.. You just arbitrarily raid an entire block."

Salam al-Amidi worked as translator for the U.S. military in the northern city of Mosul, which has been controlled by insurgents for over a year. He said he was the only translator for more than 5,000 U.S. troops.

He said the U.S. military relies mostly on paid informants in deciding which houses to raid.

"Maybe that person wanted revenge on that family and came and told us that he saw someone selling weapons. We would just go to that house at three in the morning, we'd break the door, and break everything in the house."

The Washington Post reported Monday that Marines went to the home of a 52-year-old disabled Iraqi, took him outside and shot him four times in the face. Like the killings in Haditha, the involved Marines are being investigated. All eight have been removed from Iraq and are being held at Camp Pendleton in California.

Increasingly, though, politicians are arguing that military justice is not enough.

"The test will be whether the leadership in the Department of Defence and the Administration does not try to confine these incidents in small compartments but looks to see if this is part of a large systemic problem," Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island said on Fox News Sunday. (END/2006)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: haditha; iraq; massacre; military; raids; translators
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So say they. What say you, those of you over there?
1 posted on 06/08/2006 11:44:03 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: churchillbuff; delacoert; Allegra; MikeinIraq

What say you?


2 posted on 06/08/2006 11:45:33 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Just A Nobody; Coop; bnelson44

Amazing, eh?


3 posted on 06/08/2006 11:46:03 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

freak-ing bull-shit!


4 posted on 06/08/2006 11:46:13 AM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Nightrider

This doctor is a known terrorist sympathizer. Case closed.


5 posted on 06/08/2006 11:46:58 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And exactly WHY? are supposed to believe this guy (besides the fact that he is not American and not military).


6 posted on 06/08/2006 11:48:05 AM PDT by newcthem (When are our congress-men going to start getting paid in Pesos?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I say a regime of brutality reigned in Haditha at the time of the US raid. I say the media is covering up this reality.

I say read the London Telegraph article from August 2005 that details the elaborate brutality that locals were being inflicted with.

The full story is not being told-- that is for sure.

the article notes that men were being shot for wearing shorts. Terrorists were performing public excutions in Haditha, filming them, and children in the community watched them like cartoons.

It was a horrendous environment.


7 posted on 06/08/2006 11:48:28 AM PDT by lonestar67
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To: Nightrider

File this under Fiction. Almost a complete lie from start to finish.


8 posted on 06/08/2006 11:48:48 AM PDT by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Consider the source, terrorist sympathizers and George Soros-y propaganda mill "press service".


9 posted on 06/08/2006 11:49:10 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I hope these people exhaust the available supply of virgins in their eternity.


10 posted on 06/08/2006 11:49:17 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Wondering how many Hadithas happened during WWII, WWI, Korean War, Civil War?

War is hell. No justification for what happened if it did. But I wonder if most people could restrain themselves under similar circumstances. Even those with the best training.
11 posted on 06/08/2006 11:50:21 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: nikos1121
"This doctor is a known terrorist sympathizer. Case closed"

Sucker's suffering great pain over his pal Zarqawi's death
12 posted on 06/08/2006 11:50:45 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Nightrider

'preciate that, did not realize this was the case...yeah: case closed.


13 posted on 06/08/2006 11:50:55 AM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I'm sick of this lying bullshit.


14 posted on 06/08/2006 11:51:48 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks


Yeah, you shouldn't attack hospitals - even if we are shooting at you...


15 posted on 06/08/2006 11:56:12 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks


I think they get their news/information from the tooth fairy...


16 posted on 06/08/2006 11:56:41 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"In one of these attacks, the U.S. soldiers used live ammunition inside the hospital.

As opposed to blanks?! In a war zone?!

This is so stupid, all I can say is YGBSM.
18 posted on 06/08/2006 11:58:52 AM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: rasool

i've no doubt you are correct....however, i give the marines, et al the benefit of the doubt....we KNOW that atrocities are committed by the insurgents, militas, etc...like my original response...if they are shooting at you, they are the ENEMY.....whining MSM or no.....


19 posted on 06/08/2006 12:03:24 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: armydawg1

it's gone under...:-) sheesh! it's hard enough to fight a war without the entire 'loyal' opposition coming done on you....


20 posted on 06/08/2006 12:05:05 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Nightrider

Anyone want to bet that this will be above the fold tomorrow and Zarqawi will be on page 9?


21 posted on 06/08/2006 12:06:12 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: nikos1121

addressed my response to myself....MSM is getting to me....


22 posted on 06/08/2006 12:06:26 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Nightrider

This hospital (and the entire town) was already confirmed to be overrun by insurgents. Another anti-U.S. hit piece courtesy of the terorrist loving MSM.


23 posted on 06/08/2006 12:10:48 PM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

24 posted on 06/08/2006 12:12:12 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yeah, the Zarqawi story will be carried beyond today only if they can spin it to further demoralize our troops.


25 posted on 06/08/2006 12:12:12 PM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: EQAndyBuzz

the betting post is closed....bets are off....


26 posted on 06/08/2006 12:12:15 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: AmericanYankee

should have figured...look at the post directly below yours....my sentiments entirely


27 posted on 06/08/2006 12:13:20 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Somebody needs to start making sure these commie libs are taking their meds everyday. This whole Zarqawi thing has them all on the brink of suicide.


28 posted on 06/08/2006 12:14:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Lynch Mob.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This Dr. Ishy sounds like he was probably Zarks PR man.


30 posted on 06/08/2006 12:15:26 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There's nothing to hide.

Haditha is a lie.


31 posted on 06/08/2006 12:17:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"The Pentagon admitted last week that U.S. Marines killed 24 civilians -- including a 66-year-old woman and a four-year-old boy -- in the Western Iraqi town last November.

This is a lie!
32 posted on 06/08/2006 12:18:15 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: rasool
American soldiers shouldn't be singled out and especially blamed for their part in this ugly phenomenon, but some of them very clearly have blood on their hands.

You are a complete tool. But, oh my, what a reasoned and enlightened response you've given. You're just so progressive.

I hope you meet up with a bunch of Rangers or Marines on the street someday - try and impress them with your BS liberal spin.

33 posted on 06/08/2006 12:18:39 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Inter Press Service is related to the Institute for Policy Studies, which is in turn related the Nation. This press service generates opinion pieces rather than news articles. AP and Reuters are pretty bad. Inter Press Service is basically the Nation's news service. Think Pravda, Tass or Xinhua.


34 posted on 06/08/2006 12:21:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The lies recently laid upon our troops, for the most part, have been dismissed after investigations. In general, at large, some investigations are continuing.

That was good news.

An F-16 smoked AZ at 6:15 pm Baghdad time. And that was great news. Betcha AZ was armed the time too....no mention of that. The terrorist sympathizers had to respond with more false accusations.

35 posted on 06/08/2006 12:26:42 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"In one of these attacks, the U.S. soldiers used live ammunition inside the hospital. They handcuffed all the doctors and destroyed the entire contents of the medical storage. It ended with the killing of one of the patients in his bed."

BS!

36 posted on 06/08/2006 12:28:40 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: dhs12345

YOu know something... maybe this was the scenario...

Our troops are in the most dangerous area of the country.
Time and time again they show restraint are still able to achieve goals of engagement.
We make slow but steady progress in taking back control of the area.
Locals work to undermine our presence.
Some of our best soldiers are killed because of people like the good doctor there enabling the terrorists.
Our troops retaliate aggressively and in the process civilians are killed.
These civilians are taken, by our troops, to the hospital where the good doctor works.
War is hell...sorry but some time innocent and good people get hurt on both sides.
Having said...a clear message goes out to those on the ground that the Marines are here until the job is done so get used to it.
In summary, the doctor and those others like him who were the beloved puppets of Saddam are now in the minority. You are therefore either with us or against us.

Bottom line:War is hell and this happens in all wars. It's not premeditated.


38 posted on 06/08/2006 12:34:03 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Zhang Fei; Enchante; Peach; Sam Hill

And the Institute for Policy Studies is related to Mary McCarthy, Joe Wilson, VIPS, etc.

My, what a shocking surprise -- NOT!

Pinz


39 posted on 06/08/2006 12:34:57 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Charter Snowflake, Rummy fan)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

Are we ever going to be rid of the 70's leftists?


40 posted on 06/08/2006 12:36:14 PM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: rasool
"but some of them very clearly have blood on their hands."

You should keep your stupid remarks to yourself and let people think you a fool then to post them and remove all doubt. FYI, there has not been any final determination made as to whether these people were killed in crossfire, by the "bad guys" which is more likely since killing innocents is their M.O. or by Marines. So I suggest you keep your accusations to yourself.

Semper Fi,
Kelly
41 posted on 06/08/2006 12:38:23 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: nikos1121

"This doctor is a known terrorist sympathizer. Case closed."

Of course, to the MSM, that means his credibility is several times that of any US serviceperson -- because the MSM is also a bunch of terrorist sympathizers!


42 posted on 06/08/2006 12:38:36 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Copyright 2005 States News Service
States News Service

October 6, 2005 Thursday

LENGTH: 325 words

HEADLINE: OPERATION RIVER GATE CONTINUES

BYLINE: States News Service

DATELINE: WASHINGTON

BODY:
The following information was released by the Marine Corps:

Approximately 350 Iraqi Security Force soldiers and 2,500 Marines, soldiers and sailors from Regimental Combat Team - 2 continued Operation Bawwabatu Annaher (River Gate) in the cities of Haditha, Haqlaniyah and Barwana.

Iraqi Security Forces and Marines were attacked with a roadside bomb in Haditha late this afternoon. Examination of the blast site revealed electrical wiring leading to Qaryat Al Khadfah mosque. Iraqi soldiers and Marines discovered the initiating device for the explosive inside the mosque. In addition, numerous artillery rounds, pre-wired and ready to use as roadside bombs, were hidden on the mosque grounds. No Iraqi soldiers or Marines were injured by the bomb's blast.

Iraqi soldiers and U.S. Marines and soldiers are clearing the three Euphrates River Valley cities. In the past 24 hours, the combined Iraqi and U.S. forces have discovered two weapons caches, one in Haqlaniyah and the other in Haditha, consisting of more than 40 mortar and artillery rounds, two complete mortar systems, small-arms and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

This morning, Marines discovered an insurgent-planted improvised explosive device. Upon conducting a controlled detonation of the device, electrical service was disrupted in Haqlaniyah and Bani Dahir due to the bomb's proximity to an electrical source. Marines are working with local officials to restore electrical service in those towns.

Iraqi soldiers are continuing to provide security for Haditha General Hospital's patients and personnel.

Since Operation River Gate began, Iraqi soldiers and U.S. forces have located 10 improvised explosive devices.

The operation's goal is to deny Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) the ability to operate in the three Euphrates River Valley cities and to free the local citizens from the insurgents' campaign of murder and intimidation of innocent women, children and men.

LOAD-DATE: October 11, 2005


43 posted on 06/08/2006 12:39:42 PM PDT by eyespysomething (In a fight between Batman and Darth Vader, the winner would be Chuck Norris.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We didn't learn how to make any kind of conversation."

Does he think the Army was supposed to teach every soldier to speak conversational Arabic?
44 posted on 06/08/2006 12:41:04 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Copyright 2005 Congressional Quarterly, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
FDCH Federal Department and Agency Documents
REGULATORY INTELLIGENCE DATA

October 6, 2005 Thursday

LENGTH: 1006 words

HEADLINE: U.S. SOLDIER KILLED IN BAGHDAD; OPERATION RIVER GATE CONTINUES

AGENCY: DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

SIC-MAJOR-GROUP: 09 - General Classification

snip:
During the operation, Iraqi soldiers are providing security for Haditha General Hospital's patients and personnel. The hospital is the largest medical facility in western Anbar province and was targeted in spring by a suicide car bomber. River Gate has not disrupted essential civilian services, such as electricity, water and access to medical care, officials said.


45 posted on 06/08/2006 12:41:04 PM PDT by eyespysomething (In a fight between Batman and Darth Vader, the winner would be Chuck Norris.)
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To: rasool

spot on! we sit safely in front of out tv's or computers (courtesy of those on the front lines) without a clue to just what a hell these young men are going through every single day....KIDS, never knowing when the breath they draw may be their last...sheesh...sorry, this jsut tears me up! kids and the effrontery of the MSM with their so-called 'loyal' opposition.....


47 posted on 06/08/2006 12:44:37 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

AMERICAN MILITARY kills terrorists, and the UN KILLS INNOCENTS, SCAMS FOOD FROM THE STARVING FOR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PROFIT, AND RAPES WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN AFRICAN REFUGEE CAMPS. MUZZIES TAKE A DULL BUTCHER KNIFE TO SEVER THE HEADS OF INNOCENTS!

If civilians hide and aid the enemy, they are LEGITIMATE TARGETS! KILL ALL TERRORISTS!

LLS


48 posted on 06/08/2006 12:46:40 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
So? There probably are more "Hadithas". Good. That means our troops are digilent and relentless. And one of those "Haditha" incidents was - if we are to believe today 's news - the death of a terrorist.

If the Iraqis are unhappy with our tactics, they can always ask us to leave. I don't believe that the the Iraqi government has such a request on the table.

50 posted on 06/08/2006 12:52:30 PM PDT by detroitdarien
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