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'Stop the sniping at the UN' [Says UN Deputy Secretary-General to USA.]
The Scotsman ^ | 09JUN06 | ALEX MASSIE

Posted on 06/09/2006 12:21:46 AM PDT by familyop


Deputy secretary-general Mark
Malloch Brown said the US needs
to tell its people why the UN matters
Picture: AFP/Getty



THE United Nations' British second-in-command was at the centre of a furious diplomatic row with the United States yesterday.

The UN deputy secretary-general, Mark Malloch Brown, antagonised Washington after suggesting that the US administration was happy to use the UN as a diplomatic tool while failing to defend it from critics at home.

Mr Malloch Brown told a conference in New York that "the prevailing [US] practice of seeking to use the UN almost by stealth as a diplomatic tool while failing to stand up for it against its domestic critics is simply not sustainable. You will lose the UN one way or another."

Washington, he said, was too happy to tolerate "too much unchecked UN-bashing and stereotyping".

His comments provoked a furious response from John Bolten, the pugnacious American ambassador to the UN. "I spoke to the secretary-general this morning, I said 'I've known you since 1989 and I'm telling you this is the worst mistake by a senior UN official that I have seen in that entire time," said Mr Bolten.

Mr Malloch Brown told reporters after his speech. "You [the US] have to engage to help make this institution a better institution. And you need to engage, if I dare say so, with your own public opinion to explain better why the UN matters to American interests."

He argued that good news about the UN rarely reached the US. "Much of the public discourse that reaches the US heartland has been largely abandoned to its loudest detractors such as Rush Limbaugh and Fox News."

"The UN's role is in effect a secret in middle America even as it is highlighted in the Middle East and other parts of the world," he said.

A recent Gallup poll reported that 64 per cent of Americans had a poor opinion of the United Nations and the organisation is frequently and routinely portrayed as an anti-American body that coddles and makes excuses for dictatorial regimes around the world while proving itself unable to live up to the lofty goals it sets itself. Sex scandals involving UN peacekeepers, the corrupt administration of the UN's oil-for-food programme in Iraq and the organisation's reluctance to support the US-British invasion of Iraq have all fed American dissatisfaction with the UN.

"Americans complain about the UN's bureaucracy, weak decision-making, the lack of accountable modern management structures and the political divisions of the general assembly here in New York," acknowledged Mr Malloch Brown. "And my response is, 'guilty on all counts'."

However, he said he UN could only change and reform its practices if the US were committed to the organisation. "In the eyes of the rest of the world, US commitment tends to ebb much more than it flows. And in recent years, the enormously divisive issue of Iraq and the big stick of financial withholding have come to define an unhappy marriage."

Tensions between Washington and the UN will come to a head later this month when its budget runs out. Washington, by far the biggest financial contributor to the UN, has insisted that it implement reforms before the US will agree to fund a new budget.

Mr Malloch Brown's "condescending, patronising tone about the American people" was the worst part about the speech said Mr Bolton.

"Fundamentally and very sadly, this was a criticism of the American people, not the American government, by an international civil servant," Mr Bolton said. "It's just illegitimate.

"When a member of the [UN] secretariat criticises ... the intelligence of the people of a member government, that's a very questionable activity. Even though the target of the speech was the United States, the victim, I fear, will be the United Nations."

He called on Mr Annan to "personally and publicly" repudiate his deputy's speech. But Mr Annan's spokesman said the secretary-general stood by Mr Malloch Brown's comments.

Mr Malloch Brown's speech was delivered at a conference sponsored by two think tanks, the Center for American Progress and the Century Foundation.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ambassador; bolton; brown; cap; centuryfoundation; deputy; general; john; malloch; mallochbrown; mark; markbrown; markmallochbrown; markmbrown; nations; secretary; shadowgov; un; united; usausausa
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How dare our USA Ambassador to the UN backtalk one of our masters--we being lowly "colonials," "American Yanks-septic tanks" and the like? [Little irony, sarcasm and humor there.]
1 posted on 06/09/2006 12:21:50 AM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

""The UN's role is in effect a secret in middle America even as it is highlighted in the Middle East and other parts of the world," he said."

Nope its not a secret. We just don't like what the UN does. If there are any lingering doubts look to Africa and all of the UN "successes" there.

The UN is completely corrupt and lacks any perspective for the individual. All that matters to the UN is where they can steal money and the wishes of the latest dictator.


2 posted on 06/09/2006 12:29:20 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: familyop
Let's try this on for size and shove it down his throat:
(NOTE: *= putting the shoe on the other foot)

The *US ambassador John Bolten*, antagonised *The UN* after suggesting that the *UN* administration was happy to use the *US* as a diplomatic tool while failing to defend it from critics *around the world*.

Mr *John Bolten* told a conference in New York that "the prevailing *[UN]* practice of seeking to use the *US* almost by stealth as a diplomatic tool while failing to stand up for it against its *foreign* critics is simply not sustainable. You will lose the *US* one way or another."

*UN headquarters*, he said, was too happy to tolerate "too much unchecked *US*-bashing and stereotyping".
3 posted on 06/09/2006 12:34:31 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: driftdiver

We're just darned tired of giving the UN $Millions and then have them vote against our interests most of the time. And, then there's all these corrupt........well, you get my drift.


4 posted on 06/09/2006 12:36:18 AM PDT by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: driftdiver

I note how he went to great pains to mention "middle America."

Ah yes! The flyover states! Anyone in Middle America willing to lend the UN a vacant barn for its new HQ? I'm beginning to think that they've been in New York far too long.


5 posted on 06/09/2006 12:38:39 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: familyop
OK... We'll stop sniping at the UN if they agree to stop being low-life crooks, the friends of tyrants, and abettors of mass murder.
6 posted on 06/09/2006 12:40:00 AM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I want us out of the U.N. for good. It does nothing for us. We end up having to police the world ourselves, at our expense, because the U.N. is nothing but a debating club and talks itself and everyone else to death. It is a useless organization, whose work could be taken up by private organizations for half the price. Get the U.S. out of it, Mr. Ambassador, and sell the U.N. property, which is worth a gazillion, to a private developer. The U.N. is nothing but a drain on our brains and our pocketbooks.


7 posted on 06/09/2006 12:43:14 AM PDT by flaglady47
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To: All

That U.N. sure did rise to the occasion when our U.S. Embassy in Iran was taken over and AMERICANS WERE HELD AS PRISONERS for 444 days.
The silence from the U.N. was deafening. Their inaction was worse.
Or, am I remembering wrong?


8 posted on 06/09/2006 12:44:15 AM PDT by poetknowit
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To: familyop

It's bad enough I have to wet-nurse Montgomery,I don't have to stand for that!
-George Patton, "Patton"


9 posted on 06/09/2006 12:45:36 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: familyop

Kofi used to be a hot-dog cart vendor at McCallaster College in Minnesota.

Now, he's running the friggin UN. Bizzare.


10 posted on 06/09/2006 12:48:21 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: familyop

Screw him and the UN.


11 posted on 06/09/2006 12:49:23 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

I took the little UN tour when in New York last week. You would think that the UN had the answer to all the worlds problems...


12 posted on 06/09/2006 12:51:10 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: familyop; Peach; Fedora; Dog
Mr Malloch Brown's speech was delivered at a conference sponsored by two think tanks, the Center for American Progress and the Century Foundation. Well, there we go- another reason to despise the UN:
* Center for American Progress aka CAP :
I'm reading Madam Hillary which is a more interesting book than I thought it would be.
Page 28 mentions that Hillary has organized and gotten funding (with the help of Soros and others) for several think tanks including the Center for American Progress. The Center has a 501(c)4 designation which permits the propoganda section to be more aggressively partisan.
Sara Wartell, a veteran of the Clinton administration, is the Center's chief operating officer. The Center focuses on hot button issues in Washington with an eye to influencing Congress, the public and the media through a sophisticated rapid response media campaign.
The rapid response media campaign is run by Debbie Berger, the daughter of Sandy Berger!
----82 posted on 08/11/2004 3:46:40 PM PDT by Peach

13 posted on 06/09/2006 1:01:28 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: flaglady47
I agree, except the UN building should be preserved as a museum to forever document and preserve the crimes against humanity that have occurred there, something like Auschwitz.
14 posted on 06/09/2006 1:03:16 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: familyop

Bolten is a star performer in the UN, this whiny Brit lecturing about middle America is quite ridiculous. Atleast middle America has more class,culture and morals than the soccer mad British yobbos residing in their stinkin cities.


15 posted on 06/09/2006 1:06:13 AM PDT by GregH
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Maybe Mark Malloch Brown is just going by the talking points he was given:

...The Center for American Progress and its sister organization, the American Progress Action Fund, are at the vanguard of liberal attempts to regain the initiative in the national political debate. Founded in 2003 with millions of dollars from donors hoping to more effectively counter the Bush White House and conservative groups, CAP relentlessly attacks conservatives and distributes talking points to its ideological allies.
Unfortunately, however, the group has also shown a repeated willingness to distort the facts in order to achieve its objectives. In a number of recent cases, CAP has twisted the words of its conservative opponents, misleading thousands of readers of its influential Progress Report newsletter. These tactics show that state of the art spin is increasingly indistinguishable from outright dishonesty.
----------- "Distortion report : How the Center for American Progress twists quotations," By Brendan Nyhan, spinsanity.org, October 28, 2004

16 posted on 06/09/2006 1:10:33 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: familyop
His comments provoked a furious response from John Bolten, the pugnacious American ambassador to the UN. "I spoke to the secretary-general this morning, I said 'I've known you since 1989 and I'm telling you this is the worst mistake by a senior UN official that I have seen in that entire time," said Mr Bolten.

Go Bolton!
17 posted on 06/09/2006 1:18:32 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: CheyennePress
Anyone in Middle America willing to lend the UN a vacant barn for its new HQ?

Might I suggest an Indonesian chicken coop?

18 posted on 06/09/2006 1:27:05 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Finalapproach29er

If you ask me, he is still pushing a bunch of wieners around, just gets better pay and perks.


19 posted on 06/09/2006 1:28:28 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: familyop

And Mark Malloch Brown is said to be a pro-US reformer. We have very few friends in the UN nest of snakes.


20 posted on 06/09/2006 1:52:19 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Smokin' Joe

Better yet - since they (supposedly) need a new HQ - we could move them off of Manhattan altogether and they could build a brand new HQ right here:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bv.html

Just King Koffi, the Koffikleptocrats, and assorted pinheads - all by themselves in the far reaches of the South Atlantic with the penguins and seals. Maybe we could even fly Mr. Bolton in once every 6 months or so to yell at 'em. (I'd bet he'd prefer teleconferencing with them, though.) Since it's Norwegian territory, they could hand out the Nobel prizes there, too.


21 posted on 06/09/2006 1:52:57 AM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: familyop

Screw you Malloch, and the pony you rode in on.


22 posted on 06/09/2006 2:04:12 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: familyop
One easy way for the sniping to stop at the UN would be for them to disband the organization and go home.

Worked for all that sniping at the League of Nations.
23 posted on 06/09/2006 2:04:58 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Now that Zarqawi is dead, who will the Democrats nominate in 2008?)
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To: familyop

Yes, I believe they come in "Pathetic Socialist Boot licker Scum" size too, Malloch.

24 posted on 06/09/2006 2:08:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Bogolyubski
LOL! Just air drop them and wait for a position change on global warming...it shouldn't be too long before they are all for it.

The Indonesian chicken coop did have the added bonus of getting them to take a serious look at H5N1 (Bird Flu), though...and somehow the trimmings (droppings?) seemed appropriate...

25 posted on 06/09/2006 2:13:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: familyop
Gallup poll reported that 64 percent of Americans had a poor opinion of the United Nations

And we all know how tight Rush & Fox are with the Gallup folks.

Memo To Mark Malloch Brown RamaLama DingDong:

Kiss ( 22% of ) Our American "Arse", is it?

26 posted on 06/09/2006 2:15:30 AM PDT by TeddyCon
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To: Finalapproach29er; familyop
re :we being lowly "colonials

Oh good another Brit Yank freeper war. pity you yanks are all one shot wonders.

Only joking I do like ya really but come out with a better anti Brit rant that I can sink my teeth into.

Jokes about teeth always go down well, because I can then come out with my joke about the USN getting rid of Carriers because they can use the average American butt as a flight deck.

;)

27 posted on 06/09/2006 2:48:06 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh

LOL!


29 posted on 06/09/2006 2:52:08 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or your with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: MadIvan; vimto
LOL what is it about certain yank freepers, one British diplomat winds them up and its refighting every war we ever had with them, as well as war we served together.
30 posted on 06/09/2006 2:57:27 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh

So we have the people in the Ozarks, and you have the people to your north. ;-)


31 posted on 06/09/2006 2:58:53 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or your with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: familyop

Thank God for Ambassador Bolton. All we'd need is the likes of Madeline Allnuts down in Turtle Bay.


32 posted on 06/09/2006 3:05:11 AM PDT by hershey
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To: familyop

If the UN mattered, it wouldn't need a pep squad.


33 posted on 06/09/2006 3:05:56 AM PDT by hershey
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To: tonycavanagh; vimto
I'll tell you what makes me angry enough to tear off heads. If a single American does something stupid, people here, rightly, will say that individual was or is an idiot.

If a single Briton does something stupid, with certain Freepers, it's an indictment of the entire nation, making us nothing more than an English-speaking variant of France. Frankly, given the number of soldiers who have died in the field, this is a disgusting point of view.

Furthermore, what this perspective fails to realise is that there are idiots in every nation. The idiots in America are not the end of that country. The idiots in Britain are not the end of ours.

Regards, Ivan

34 posted on 06/09/2006 3:06:54 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: familyop

Okay. Let's say that the corruption, effectiveness ... are all improved dramatically. It still doesn't matter. Millions of us here in the US are simply not on the "world government" program and we never will be. The UN shouldn't be anything more than a debating society; a forum for discussion on what ultimately turn out to be bilateral or multilateral agreements. The world perception that "unilateral" action is forbidden and that UN approval is required for everything derives from the UN's vision of itself as the grand federal structure over the world.

We have no intentions of subjecting ourselves to world government regardless of how sincere or efficient that government may be. This complainer just doesn't get it. Bolton is right. The guy is directly attacking our intelligence. Cut off the budget!


35 posted on 06/09/2006 3:18:35 AM PDT by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: MadIvan

What gets me is the lack of understanding on the part of
Mr. Brown, here in America the government doesn't CONTROL
the people or what they think.

Off to work now will check in later, don't let the anglobashers get you'all down. We know who our allies are.


36 posted on 06/09/2006 3:22:32 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tonycavanagh
"one Brit having a go is worth more than every Brit serving alongside you yanks, well it is according to you"

And no, I don't really see with such generalized perception. To be more sincere for a moment, the British enlisted soldiers I've met were far more respectable than RSA members and other political chatterers who discussed international issues with me.
37 posted on 06/09/2006 3:23:26 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or your with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: familyop
Washington, he said, was too happy to tolerate "too much unchecked UN-bashing and stereotyping".

To the second in command at the UN; This is just a reminder that here in the US we do in fact have REAL Freedom of Speech and REAL Freedom of the Press. That means our government does not have the ability to censor or stifle information from the American people. It is the first blatant call for dhimmitude coming from the UN.

The real headline to this story should have been:

UN Attacks US for Freedom of the Press

38 posted on 06/09/2006 3:28:30 AM PDT by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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To: familyop
...Mr Annan's spokesman said the secretary-general stood by Mr Malloch Brown's comments.

Yeah, he would.

The United Nations is one of the largest sucking holes that our tax money goes down each year.

The likes of Annan and all the other gun-grabbing, liberal, one-world do-nothing pieces of dog excrement steal every penny they can, and what they can't steal for themselves, they direct into the coffers of the likes of Mugabe and other lowlifes around the world.

We need to get the hell out of the UN.

And turn that building in NY into a detention center for all the illegal invaders that we catch, before we send them back to the pus holes from whence they came.

We could start with Kofi Annan.

39 posted on 06/09/2006 3:29:43 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I received my own copy of the koran from CAIR. As a sworn enemy of islam, I desecrate it daily.)
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To: familyop
I'd say this entitles us to criticise all we like.


40 posted on 06/09/2006 3:32:49 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: familyop
re :So we have the people in the Ozarks, and you have the people to your north. ;-)

LOL not bad for a colonial

41 posted on 06/09/2006 3:42:23 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: familyop

How do we start the process of revoking Diplomatic immunity?

I've had enough...Get out! Get out and take all of Ali Babba's thieves with you. Turn that prime real estate into condo's.
Don't give those bastards a dime of my tax money.


42 posted on 06/09/2006 3:42:46 AM PDT by halfright (****TAG LINE CENSORED BY ADMIN MOD****)
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To: familyop

Pompous jackass...


43 posted on 06/09/2006 3:45:16 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: familyop

Perhaps this Brit twit doesn't know that the Middle American knows too much about the outlaws in the UN....about the parody it has become when it seats Saudi Arabia and Libya on the Human Rights Commission, when it shovels our tax dollars into Sadaam's pockets all those years while Iraq's starving children fronted for the "Oil for Food" rip-off. No, thanks to Rush and Fox, we know way too much about this vile cluster of crooks from all over the world. We consider it a waste of money, a place where inferior nations poke a ridiculously long-suffering USA in the nose while we feed their citizens because their governments are too evil and stupid to manage workable countries. Get the US out of the UN! It should have been done back in the '80s when the great Ronald Reagan was President.


44 posted on 06/09/2006 3:47:36 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: familyop
Sex scandals involving UN peacekeepers, the corrupt administration of the UN's oil-for-food programme in Iraq and the organisation's reluctance to support the US-British invasion of Iraq have all fed American dissatisfaction with the UN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Notice the WORD "reluctance."

This is typical spin, the UN refused outright to enforce its mandate and rules against Iran, with France , Germany and Russia in opposition, fueling an Oil for food ( actually oil for WMD which were hastily removed, where did the latest generation of French surface to air missles found at Bagdad International come from?)scandal, ALL WITH THE DESIGN TO WEAKEN THE US DOLLAR AND GIVE UNTIMELY STRENGTH TO THE EURO. So we "reluctantly" invaded Iraq.

Never has a president of the US been more right.The USA is hauling ash for Europe, and actually protecting it from a social devolution towards Muslim rule.

The UN needs to be shut down in NYC and extridited to the Hague. The sooner the better. Then we should run a couple of passenger aircraft into it's buildings as part of the demolition process.

45 posted on 06/09/2006 4:04:46 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: Finalapproach29er
Kofi used to be a hot-dog cart vendor at McCallaster College in Minnesota.

Hot Dog Vendor & the Weiner.

46 posted on 06/09/2006 4:17:04 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker ("If a fence doesn't work then why does Bush have one around the White House?")
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To: CheyennePress

"Anyone in Middle America willing to lend the UN a vacant barn for its new HQ?"

Move the UN HQ to any country other that the US and then quit the UN.


47 posted on 06/09/2006 4:20:40 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: MadIvan

well said; there appears to be a lot of people willing to shoot their mouths off without thinking.


48 posted on 06/09/2006 4:35:13 AM PDT by Mac1
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To: familyop

UN OUT OF US... US OUT OF UN... NOW!

LLS


49 posted on 06/09/2006 4:38:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: familyop
Mr Malloch Brown's speech was delivered at a conference sponsored by two think tanks, the Center for American Progress and the Century Foundation.

Both "think tanks" are joined at the hip to Soros.

50 posted on 06/09/2006 5:00:31 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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