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Man with links to 9/11 pilot deported (Slice of Life DownUnder)
NZPA ^ | 10 June 2006 | Staff reporter

Posted on 06/09/2006 5:42:36 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter

Man with links to 9/11 pilot deported

10 June 2006

A man the Government says had a direct link with a September 11 terrorist has been deported from New Zealand because he was a threat to national security.

Immigration Minister David Cunliffe confirmed today Yemeni national, Rayed Mohammed Abdullah Ali, was deported because his continued presence in New Zealand posed a threat.

"He was directly associated with persons responsible for the terrorist attacks in the United States on September 11, 2001," Mr Cunliffe said in a statement.

He was deported under the rarely used Section 72 of the Immigration Act 1987, which required the approval of the Governor General.

Mr Cunliffe said immigration officials and police arrested the man in Palmerston North 13 days ago on May 29 and he was deported to Saudi Arabia the next day. He had arrived in New Zealand in February.

"The individual's identity became apparent only after he arrived in New Zealand. He used a variation of his name in applying for entry to New Zealand. Once his real identity became known, he was identified as having close connections to people involved with the September 11 2001 attacks in the United States, and had been named in the 9/11 Commission Report.

"Initially, he lived in Auckland where he undertook some English language training, the stated purpose of his visit. He then shifted to Palmerston North where he was building up his flying hours flying with an instructor. He'd previously trained as a pilot in the United States."

Mr Cunliffe refused to give further details citing security reasons.

"I am advised, however, that at no point was there any specific risk to New Zealanders during the man's time in this country."

Mr Cunliffe said the American report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States had said the man lived and trained with Saudi Arabian Hani Hanjour, who is believed to have piloted American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.

Rayed Abdullah was a leader at the Islamic Cultural Centre in Phoenix and reportedly gave extremist speeches at the mosque, the report said.

It also said another associate of Hanjour, Faisal al Salmi, had flight training with Rayed Abdullah but wanted to keep his training secret.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said al Salmi was deceptive when he was asked if he had taken flight training at the behest of an organisation.


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Note the flying lessons...!

Good work by NZ Law Enforcement, should send a clear message of NZ's stance on WOT.

Too bad we didn't deport this creep to GITMO.

1 posted on 06/09/2006 5:42:38 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: DieHard the Hunter

They should've deported him to a 6-foot open grave.


2 posted on 06/09/2006 5:54:22 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I KNOW SOME BAPTISTS WHO WOULD GLADLY TAKE HIM!


3 posted on 06/09/2006 5:58:19 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: alpha-8-25-02

?


4 posted on 06/09/2006 6:16:13 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Sure wish you would elucidate.


5 posted on 06/09/2006 6:34:19 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I thought about you when I heard this guy was deported from NZ.


6 posted on 06/09/2006 8:30:03 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: Cindy; Grampa Dave; Travis McGee; Squantos

another wannabe hijacker


7 posted on 06/09/2006 11:31:48 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Thanks piasa for the ping to this article and thread.
I'm going to add this link here.
(Please note all the hyptertext links in this article.)

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2006/06/011764print.html
June 09, 2006

"Roommate of 9/11 hijacker took flight lessons in New Zealand last month"


8 posted on 06/09/2006 11:40:32 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Hi DieHard the Hunter.
Thanks for starting this thread.
Updates (if any) are appreciated.


9 posted on 06/09/2006 11:41:16 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
This article refers to Hani Hanjour and his associates too- you may want to include it:

(snip)...It's part of the routine for air travel since 9/11. Fifteen minutes after KLM Flight 685 took off from Amsterdam for Mexico City on April 8, Mexican authorities forwarded the names of all the passengers to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. The reason: the flight was scheduled to pass through U.S. airspace after making a long swing over Canada. The information was then passed on to the U.S. National Targeting Center, based at a secret address in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. That's when the routine became extraordinary: by the time the Boeing 747 had finished its three-hour crossing of the Atlantic, Homeland Security screeners were on high alert. The names of two Saudi passengers aboard the KLM flight had begun producing "hits" on the screening center's lists of 70,000 suspect foreigners.

One of these hits—from an FBI database of terror suspects known as TIPOFF—smacked investigators right between the eyes. The two Saudis, the database reported, were brothers and pilots who had attended the same Arizona flight school as 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour. Soon the multiplicity of U.S. terror databases started pumping out similar hits.
Fearing that Flight 685 might be a 9/11-style plot in the making, U.S. authorities refused the plane overflight rights, and Canada rejected a request to land. Much to the chagrin of its 278 passengers, the KLM jet made an exhausting odyssey back to Amsterdam.

Was it a plot? The KLM 685 incident—which was not widely publicized by the U.S. government—is an illustration of just how hard it has become to tell ordinary guys from bad guys in the war on terror. Washington's concern about the KLM flight seems legitimate: in the past year, U.S. counterterrorism officials have cited intelligence indicating that Al Qaeda might be planning to use foreign-based airliners to launch attacks against the U.S. homeland. One U.S. counterterrorism official told NEWSWEEK that the two passengers were "bad dudes." And a European intelligence official said the two have "extensive but secondary" links to Al Qaeda.

At least one of the two Saudis had previously been deported from the United States, according to Homeland Security sources. A former neighbor in Arizona, who asked to remain anonymous, recalled that federal officials in full body armor rushed the Saudi's empty house several weeks after 9/11 and later arrested him. During FBI questioning, a law-enforcement official told NEWSWEEK, the Saudi acknowledged knowing Hani Hanjour. Upon further questioning, he also conceded that he had known another of the 9/11 hijackers.
---------- "Mystery Flight," (More info about 2 pass. of KLM flight on the no fly list)by Mark Hosenball and Michael Hirsh, With Michael Isikoff and John Barry in Washington, Friso Endt at Schiphol airport (Amsterdam), Andrew Murr in Phoenix, Joseph Contreras in Miami, Christopher Dickey in Paris and Ruth Tenenbaum in New York , Newsweek, Apr. 25, 2005 issue


10 posted on 06/09/2006 11:50:21 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Thank you piasa, I will.


11 posted on 06/09/2006 11:52:10 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

> Thanks for starting this thread.
> Updates (if any) are appreciated.

Yer welcome! We are watching this issue with great interest DownUnder.

Kia Kaha!
"DieHard"


12 posted on 06/10/2006 12:59:16 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

> They should've deported him to a 6-foot open grave.

Ah, yes -- there is something to be said for instant gratification, indeed.

But patience -- and a few Waterboard Lessons -- may yield promising results with this particular Specimen.


13 posted on 06/10/2006 1:01:54 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I appreciate your watching.

New Zealand is a beautiful country.


14 posted on 06/10/2006 1:08:52 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

> Updates (if any) are appreciated.

More here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10385963

(Read with filters on: NZ Herald is our national newspaper and very, very Left)


15 posted on 06/10/2006 1:09:40 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I lived in California all my life, so I do understand liberal.
Thanks for the info.


16 posted on 06/10/2006 1:22:14 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

> I lived in California all my life, so I do understand liberal.

I grew up in British Columbia (in the 60'--'80's, a Conservative enclave except for a brief lapse of judgment in the '70's) and nearly died of toxic shock when the NDP took over our Province early '90's.

Not even *that* prepared me for what lies to the Left of Liberal...

Helen Clark's several NZ Labor governments have taught me all I need or ever want to know about the Left.


17 posted on 06/10/2006 1:45:25 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Well, I'm glad you found FreeRepublic.com.
It's a breath of fresh air for people who prefer
the facts rather than liberal lies, political correctness
and fuzzy feelings.


18 posted on 06/10/2006 1:47:50 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: DieHard the Hunter
More:

Club Questioned over terror suspect


Source: Radio New Zealand
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/746452

Jun 10, 2006

An aero club used by a man linked to the September 11 attacks says police alerted them to their investigation about a month ago.

The government says Rayed Mohammed Abdullah Ali was deported at the end of last month because he posed a threat to national security.

The US government says Ali trained as a pilot with the man believed to have flown a passenger jet into the Pentagon.

Since arriving in New Zealand in February, Ali had been flying light aircraft at the Manawatu aero club.

The club says it questioned Ali about his background, but had no reason to believe he had fundamentalist views.
The Yemeni man was living in Palmerston North.

A US report says Ali trained as a pilot in Phoenix, Arizona, with the man believed to have flown an airplane into the Pentagon, during the 2001 attacks.

The 9-11 Commission Report says Ali reportedly gave extremist speeches at the Islamic Cultural Centre in Phoenix.

On May 29, New Zealand police and immigration officials raided his house in Palmerston North and sent him back to Saudi Arabia the next day.

Immigration Minister David Cunliffe says Ali posed a threat to national security because of his direct association with those responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks and the nature of his activities in New Zealand.

Cunliffe says Ali undertook English language training in Auckland before moving to Palmerston North to build up his flying hours.

Ali came to New Zealand in February.

Cunliffe says the man's identity only became apparent after he arrived in New Zealand because he used a variation of his name when applying for entry.
19 posted on 06/10/2006 5:02:51 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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More... Source: Sunday Star Times (NZ)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3696966a10,00.html

How did we let 9/11 suspect in?


11 June 2006
By STAFF REPORTERS

Border controls to detect terrorist threats failed when a Saudi Arabian pilot linked with the 9/11 hijackers was able to enter New Zealand unquestioned and live here for four months, a terrorism expert says.

Auckland University political studies lecturer Dr Paul Buchanan said the Security Intelligence Service was "clueless" about Rayed Mohammed Abdullah Ali's arrival and the public needed to be reassured that security systems were adequate after his deportation.

He is questioning why police, immigration or the SIS did not flag the potential risk of Rayed, 28, who was deported 12 days ago as a threat to national security.

Rayed flatted with Hani Hanjour, the pilot who flew American Airlines Flight 77 into Washington DC's Pentagon building on September 11, 2001, and is named 13 times in a 9/11 Commission report. He was also on an FBI suspect list developed after the US attacks.

Rayed was admitted to New Zealand in February on a student visa and studied at an English language school in Auckland before shifting to Palmerston North in April where he joined the Manawatu Aero Club to increase his flying hours.

The Sunday Star-Times understands SIS agents questioned flying school staff around the country about six weeks ago and police visited Manawatu Aero Club three weeks ago to tell it Rayed was under surveillance.

Staff have been ordered not to disclose further details.

A copy of Rayed's passport, shown to the Star-Times yesterday, records his surname as Raed - different to that on the FBI lists.

Immigration Minister David Cunliffe said that was why immigration officials had not picked up Rayed as a threat. Cunliffe said Rayed was considered a threat to national security on three grounds - his direct association with those responsible for the 9/11 attacks, the nature of his activities in the US prior to and at that time, and the nature of his activities in New Zealand.

Rayed was granted a student visa in Dubai.

Manawatu Aero Club president Grant Hadfield said they had conducted background checks on Rayed when he approached the club, as the Civil Aviation Authority had recommended flight schools do on foreigners after the 9/11 attacks. The checks included verifying details in his logbook and asking him about his beliefs, but not doing an internet search on his name. A Google search quickly reveals Rayed's background.

Rayed lived with an Indian and a Chinese flatmate in a modest unit in Cook St, Palmerston North, where neighbours yesterday described him as "an average guy".

His flight instructor and landlord Captain Ravindra Singh said Rayed, a Yemeni citizen, had found it difficult to enrol in an aviation course here. Singh said people had been suspicious of Rayed because of his ethnicity, but he had found him "genuine" - despite the fact he owed Singh $1200 in rent and flying fees. Singh was forced to hand Rayed's flying logbook to police after Rayed was deported.

Rayed was arrested and escorted back to Saudi Arabia under section 72 of the Immigration Act, which requires sign-off by the governor-general and has been used only once before, to expel a Russian spy in 1991.

Buchanan said the vetting of Rayed's application for a student visa had clearly failed to raise the alert about his past acquaintances.

"The question then is how did they find out? Was it internal? The New Zealand police? Immigration? And where was the SIS? They were entirely clueless when he arrived."

Cunliffe refused to go into details, saying such matters were "operational". He said he had full confidence the system worked effectively to catch Rayed who had been a genuine threat to national security.

"The government does not use the section 72 removal procedure lightly. It involves the highest level of government."

There is no appeal under section 72, though Cunliffe said Rayed could have claimed refugee status to delay deportation, but had not.

Cunliffe would not say when the alert was raised, but confirmed Rayed was under surveillance for some time before his deportation.

He also refused to comment on whether Rayed had been on his own in New Zealand or whether there were ongoing inquiries into his presence here.

Buchanan said his hunch was that Rayed would have been up to no good in New Zealand and that the authorities had been alerted by a member of the public or through monitoring of mosques.

"Maybe they were alerted by an amateur, someone at the flight school perhaps, and that is embarrassing."

New Zealand had a large number of flight schools with loose vetting that could make it an attractive place to train for a terrorist attack elsewhere, he said.
20 posted on 06/10/2006 5:12:04 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; DaveLoneRanger; Cindy; piasa

Ping!

(Test-driving the "Ping" thing -- I'm still learning the ropes on FR, so if I got it wrong, let me know).

This is an issue that is growing arms-and-legs by the minute in New Zealand. I posted a couple updates, earlier in this thread (dunno if I did this right, appreciate feedback by FReepmail).

I shall watch our media sources with interest and post further germane updates as-and-when available.

I resent Terrorists using New Zealand as a safe-haven to learn flying lessons. What do they think we are? A soft-touch??? Our cops are pretty good: they can catch spies with ease: if in doubt, ask the French, ask the Israelis. And now, ask al Qaeda.


21 posted on 06/11/2006 3:07:53 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; DaveLoneRanger; Cindy; piasa

From today's NZ Herald here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10394658

Expelled Saudi knew two hijackers

Saturday August 5, 2006
By Geoff Cumming

The Saudi student expelled from New Zealand as a national security threat knew not one but two September 11 hijackers, according to Government papers.

An Immigration Service analysis mentions a "direct association" between the student, Rayed Mohammed Abdullah Ali, and Nawaf al-Hazmi, a hijacker on American Airlines Flight 77, which flew into the Pentagon...


22 posted on 08/04/2006 4:36:55 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Thanks for that update DieHard the Hunter.


23 posted on 08/04/2006 4:37:51 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: DieHard the Hunter; DaveLoneRanger; Cindy; piasa

More here from today's NZ Herald (excerpt): http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=574&ObjectID=10394559

Saudi student pilot in the wrong place at the wrong time

Saturday August 5, 2006
By Geoff Cumming

Arizona may seem as unlikely a magnet as New Zealand for Muslim students aiming to study overseas. Yet well before New Zealand climbed on the international education bandwagon in the late 1990s, Arizona had established a niche with students from the Middle East.

It would emerge only after September 11, 2001 that among the thousands drawn to the Grand Canyon state's desert climate, universities and many flying schools were members of an al Qaeda cell.

Two months before the attacks on New York and Washington, the FBI's Phoenix office alerted head office that "an inordinate number" of Middle Eastern students were training as pilots at Arizona flight schools. One was a Saudi Arabian who attracted little attention - Rayed Mohammed Abdullah Ali, the English language student thrown out of New Zealand in May as a threat to national security.

Ali's goal, then as now, was to become a commercial airline pilot. His burden in the post-September 11 climate is convincing authorities that he has no other intent...


24 posted on 08/04/2006 4:51:58 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Thanks for that update, toow DieHard the Hunter.


25 posted on 08/04/2006 5:03:38 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

sp=too


26 posted on 08/04/2006 5:04:00 PM PDT by Cindy
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