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Vietnam, After All? (The only similarity between Iraq and Vietnam is the sound of the critics.)
National Review Online ^ | June 9, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/10/2006 4:44:31 AM PDT by namvet66

As with the formulaic type scenes of Homeric epic, there now arises a sense of familiarity with the current outcries over Haditha.

We do not really know yet what happened in that terrorist-infected hellhole, but it seems not to matter. Those who customarily decry the supposed loss of civil liberties are now the first to rush to judgment—reminding us that it is not always principle per se that they embrace, but a partisanship to be advanced at all costs.

Once we leave, the killing starts in earnest, not 20 or 30 per day, but wholesale slaughter of any Iraqis who taught school, or were clean shaven and wore Western dress, or fought to save Iraq.

(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: haditha; iraq; liberalism; media; msm; mylai; vietnam
Those of us who were around (and especially those like myself who had friends/acquaintances left behind in Vietnam, who had trusted us and worked with us) in the 70's are not likely to soon forget the bloodbath that followed our "unilateral disengagement" from Vietnam--leaving all those millions (including those in Laos and Cambodia) to fend for themselves and the consequences of our [in]actions.

The victims of "re-education camps," prisons, outright executions, pogroms, genocide (as well as the casualties of the boat people trying to escape) numbered in the MILLIONS!

There are other consequences to consider should we "bug out" as we did in Vietnam.

What would be the affect on our Military (most who gave much--some who gave all) as a result of this type of outcome?

Speaking from experience, I can venture to posit that we would see a profound disillusionment and a sense of despair, from those who believed in what they were fighting for ONLY, to have the rug pulled out from under them, leaving them to ponder, "Was it worth it?"

And, the answer would be self-evident; the same as the majority of us Nam Vets now believe. HELL NO!!!

Our cause was just; our duty and service was honorable; however, the cost--when measured against the outcome--can never, be justified.

1 posted on 06/10/2006 4:44:35 AM PDT by namvet66
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To: namvet66

Partisanship to be advanced at all costs!


2 posted on 06/10/2006 5:07:19 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: namvet66; 2111USMC; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; AlaskaErik; ...

USMC and Irey Ping


3 posted on 06/10/2006 5:13:04 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: namvet66
As a VN era vet, the only similarity I see with todays conflict is the micro-management by Washington and the media. So long as the American people allow this to continue, I see small hope of victory.
Of course, my idea of victory is the eradication of islam, much as was done to Nazism and Japanese militarism.
4 posted on 06/10/2006 5:15:53 AM PDT by Roccus (Cynical romantic or romantic cynic.....you decide.)
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To: namvet66

Dump Murtha! Click the logo and donate to Diana Irey for Congress!

5 posted on 06/10/2006 5:21:24 AM PDT by petercooper (Attention Libs: Please remove "Haven't gotten Zarqawi" from your DimocRAT talking points.)
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To: freema

BTTT


6 posted on 06/10/2006 5:22:13 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: namvet66
Liberals want us to lose. We must ensure that doesn't happen. For them the U.S is no good; for us, America is the last best hope of all mankind. Let that be a ringing call to arms in the defense of freedom and of our homeland so every patriot grave all over this broad Union will rest content with the knowledge their sacrifices ensure that government of people, for the people and by the people shall not soon perish from the earth.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

7 posted on 06/10/2006 5:26:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: namvet66

Great article. VDH is one of the best writers of our day.


8 posted on 06/10/2006 5:38:16 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: namvet66

More comments on the same article here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1646141/posts


9 posted on 06/10/2006 5:42:14 AM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: namvet66

It is a telling trait of liberals that they want ever more freedoms for themselves but not for others. They are selfish and self-centered egoists. They have never understood that freedom is not free nor is it for the few. As long as tyranny exists anywhere we must be vigilant everywhere. I agree with this post, it is just another data point that proves Michael Savage is right - liberalism is a mental disorder. It has not always been this way but our "cutting lose from the base" values of our founders has corrupted this ideology and it is becoming like a cancer on the body politic.


10 posted on 06/10/2006 5:42:39 AM PDT by MountainMenace
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To: petercooper

It lifts my heart and spirits so, every time I see FReepers pick up this torch!


11 posted on 06/10/2006 5:43:00 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: namvet66

What frustrates me is that these media traitors won't leave their Marxist compounds so they can be confronted face-to-face in our communities.

A few years ago a half dozen hippy scum marched in our small community to protest the war.

Two weeks later the vet groups organized a march to support the troops. About 3,000 showed up. And not a word in our MSM left wing press, although the local newspaper did a good job covering it.


12 posted on 06/10/2006 5:51:02 AM PDT by sergeantdave (And though getting up in the world attracts attention, it does not establish solid worth.)
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To: petercooper

Irey bookmark


13 posted on 06/10/2006 5:53:29 AM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: namvet66; Sic Luceat Lux; JLO; Calpernia; kristinn; All

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NEVER FORGET



Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965, Landing Zone Falcon

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set2.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set3.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm



NEVER FORGET

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14 posted on 06/10/2006 6:00:37 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: namvet66
One of the "Faker Quakers" at the Saturday anti-war protest in Olney, Maryland likes to carry a "Is It Vietnam Yet?" sign.

So we chant, "Is It Kent State Yet?"

15 posted on 06/10/2006 6:17:36 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Liberals saying "We Support The Troops" is like OJ looking for the real killers.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
"NEVER FORGET."

Don't worry friend, I (and many others) never will.

As a covert (USAF) Intel Agent(s), we often used Vietnamese Interpreters -- as most of us only spoke French and some Vietnamese -- when debriefing VC/NVA captives and Chieu Hoi as well as other operations and missions.

I can only imagine what happened to these men and women after we withdrew?

16 posted on 06/10/2006 6:26:33 AM PDT by namvet66 (Beam me up Scotty!!)
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To: All; goldstategop; kristinn; Clinton Is Scum; Alamo-Girl; JLO; Calpernia


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This morning a brilliant man of CLARITY...

.. Mr. ANTHONY CORDESMAN of http://www.csis.org ..

...appeared as a C-SPAN guest on 'Washington Journal' correctly stating about Iraq that:


1) There are will be no turning points in the Iraq War, only steady progress, even though our Media keeps looking for turning points (i.e. their constant Vietnam War 'Light at the end of the tunnel' media syndrome)

2) Setting deadlines in Iraq would guarantee the defeat of Freedom there

3) Helping a new government Democracy in Iraq succeed is the only good answer there, no matter what time frame it takes

4) Failure to succeed in Iraq will bring very bad things down upon an entire region of the world (in this case that contains 60% of the world's oil)

JOHN KERRY knows all this about Iraq, and knew it then about Vietnam's fight for Freedom as well, and yet he continues to call for deadlines for our withdrawal from Iraq. Always purposely helping our terrorist enemies in the process

In this process...

JOHN KERRY came back from the Vietnam War to call us American Soldiers fighting for the Freedom of others there...

...rapists & terrorists,

...instead the actual ones we were fighing there.


MEL GIBSON came back from filming our real Vietnam War story titled

.."WE WERE SOLDIERS"..
http://www.WeWereSoldiers.com

...very deeply inspired to finally film his long planned ultimate story of LOVE & Sacrifice titled...

.."The PASSION of the Christ"..!!
http://www.ThePassionOfTheChrist.com


I wonder who got it right..??







MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

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17 posted on 06/10/2006 6:45:26 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: namvet66; All


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As the old song goes..

"It's not your imagination"..!!

While staffing a Republican Party Election Campaign headquarters in Little Saigon, CA during the 2004 Presidential Election...

...I personally had my fingers placed in the long deep scars of now Free Vietnamese-American men and women who had had their stomachs maliciously cut open by Vietnamese Re-Education Camp prison guards. Scars that ran from the middle of their stomachs all the way down to their navels.

Men and women who were coming in by the droves to register to vote against a JOHN KERRY running for President ...that helped defeat Freedom for Vietnam long ago.

"Why did they do this to us?" these men and women asked me about their scars.

"Because they COULD" was my answer.

This cannot be allowed to happen again in this new LIBERTY Century, no matter the cost.

And it WILL NOT.


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18 posted on 06/10/2006 7:03:20 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: namvet66
"—followed by the old predictable liberal silence when the real killing begins."

Yes. How many tears did the Left shed for the victims of Pol Pot? The victims of passenger train, hospital, school bombings by NATO? The victims of "the bloodbath that followed our 'unilateral disengagement' from Vietnam"?

One of the most odious things about the Left is its dependble subordination of everything to the advancement of its morally vacuous agenda--which, in the final analysis, amounts to nothing more than a ruthless grasp for power.

19 posted on 06/10/2006 7:05:23 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush and his supurb leadership.)
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To: namvet66

20 posted on 06/10/2006 7:19:39 AM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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To: Roccus
I think the American people are more savvy today than they were during the Viet Nam period.

They have more immediate access to information. Of utmost importance, they have access to alternative sources of information, notably the internet and talk radio--uncontrolled by the Old Media propaganda machine. And the Leftists' Propaganda Machine (Old Media) has lost its influence.

As more and more people wise up, they see the Leftists, their Propaganda Machine, and their Political Machine (the Democrat Party) in the rear view mirror--and feel a shudder of disgust--and relief--come over themselves.

America is healthy, optimistic, and ascendant, unlike Europe, which is decadent, suicidal, and on the way to oblivion.

More and more, Americans see the Left for what it is: the utterly destructive disease of decadence that has doomed Europe.

More and more as they realize the reality of the Left, Americans want nothing to do with this odious, destructive, suicidal, and morally vacuous sickness.

21 posted on 06/10/2006 7:19:45 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush and his supurb leadership.)
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To: namvet66
It is surprising the list of characters are the same but some of the names are changed. I am glad we have no new John Kerry though he and a blimp named murtha are still in character. Jane fonda has been replaced by sheman. The news media is traitorous as ever with new young liars. The people are still in the dark!
22 posted on 06/10/2006 7:42:00 AM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: namvet66

Good post. I remember well the fiasco of the pullout from Vietnam. NEVER AGAIN!

http://www.irey.com/


23 posted on 06/10/2006 8:00:17 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 06/10/2006 8:15:49 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Savage Beast
I hope you're right, but I do not share your optimism. It has been my experience (reinforced by the apathy that surrounded the film "United 93") that the attack of 9/11 is falling down the memory hole of many Americans. To many, it was merely a TV show. The fact that almost half the country voted for that traitor who wished to deal with islamic terrorism as a 'nuisance', bolsters my cynicism.
We here at FR are aware of most of what is going on, but far too many Americans are more concerned with 'American Idol' than they are with Able Danger.
25 posted on 06/10/2006 9:19:15 AM PDT by Roccus (Cynical romantic or romantic cynic.....you decide.)
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To: Roccus; All

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We here on Freerepublic.com are most aware that the CLINTONS refused 3 free offers from the Sudan during the 1990's...

...to give us our terrorist enemy No. 1 OSAMA bin LADEN on a silver platter,

...before he could hit us real hard here at home after they had left our Oval Office.

The same CLINTONS who were on the side of our then terrorist enemy No. 1, Communist North Vietnam dictator HO CHI MINH, during the Vietnam War.

A Vietnam War that saw lifesaver Lt. RICK RESCORLA save the lives of 100's of his fellow hero soldiers in the heat of battle.

http://www.RickRescorla.com

A Vietnam veteran that went on to save 1,000's of lives at the World Trade Center's Tower II on September 11, 2001.

After he had already predicted what would all come to pass there.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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26 posted on 06/10/2006 1:39:39 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: freema
"USMC and Irey Ping"
Once again, Hanson nails it.
27 posted on 06/10/2006 2:00:20 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Amen, amen, amen.


28 posted on 06/10/2006 4:15:22 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

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Thank you for your support, freema. We appreciate.

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29 posted on 06/10/2006 5:12:02 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Back atcha, AR, a thousand fold.


30 posted on 06/10/2006 5:43:27 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
The scummy demorats care about nothing but the coming elections.
31 posted on 06/10/2006 6:42:02 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: All; namvet66; freema; Sic Luceat Lux



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NEVER FORGET



All during the Vietnam War...

...Communsit North Vietnam's Hanoi Radio and, its Media supporters in America, kept telling us over and over again that:


There wasn't a single Communist North Vietnamese Soldier inside a then Free South Vietnam

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1278933/posts


(White is Black, Black is White = The Communist Dialectic definition of what's real)



NEVER FORGET


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32 posted on 06/11/2006 9:18:38 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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