Unpatriotic Conservatives; A war against America.

National Review Online ^ | March 19, 2003 | David Frum

[Restorer]

The CIA, in its present state, is viewed by its Capitol Hill overseers as incapable of targeting bin Laden.

Mr. Novak appears to have been entirely correct in this assertion.

[Stepan12]

The most amusing response to this old article that I know of is from Taki (can't spell or pronouce his last name). Taki sounded drunk when he wrote Dave Frum was a bum and then revealed that his fellow Paleos told him not to get angry and hysterical but Taki said he didn't care or maybe he just can't control himself (snicker).

[kalee]

ping

[Texasforever]

Now ya done it. LOL

[Rembrandt_fan]

It galls me no end to see Pat Buchanan trotted out as the token conservative on talking-head pundit shows on television. Buchanan is not a conservative, nor are Raimondo, Francis, Sobran, or any of the other 'paleos' mentioned in the article. They go so far right that they wrap around and become so closely identified with the far left in idealogical conformity as to be indistinguishable. The reason they carry the 'conservative' tag at all is that it pleases the left-leaning MSM to identify them as such, thus smearing legitimate conservatism, and--for the 'paleos' themselves, the Buchanan crowd, particularly--wraps them in a cloak of mainstream conservative respectability.

[carlr]

I think many are only happy when they are miserable.

Losing makes them miserable.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

Bump fer a read.

[ansel12]

This is a very good article.

There is a good reason why the Buchanan crowd is still seen as a fringe part of conservatism, it is because they still have one or two positions we agree with, but this writer does a good job of revealing the many reptilian aspects of their movement.

There is a reason why Buchanan is the favorite "conservative" spokesman for the left wing media.

[BlazingArizona]

an essay that could plausibly be read to liken Abraham Lincoln to Hitler. In the spring of 1981, Ronald Reagan was trying to persuade a balky Congress simultaneously to enact a giant tax cut and to authorize a huge defense buildup; to slow inflation, end fuel shortages, and halt Soviet aggression, from Afghanistan to Angola. It was not, in other words, a good moment to refight the Civil War.

This issue is Lew Rockwell's hobbyhorse. Though all libertarians fault Lincoln for using force to keep seceding states in the Union, thereby giving the nation a push toward centralization and away from states' rights, Rockwell became obsessed with this point. His blog has become a secular version of the Phelps church, cheering on al Qaeda and providing a gathering place for young conspiracy theorists and washed-up old anti-Semites.

[Mr. Brightside]

On September 30, 2002, Pat Buchanan offered this explanation of 9/11 during a debate on Chris Matthews's Hardball: "9/11 was a direct consequence of the United States meddling in an area of the world where we do not belong and where we are not wanted. We were attacked because we were on Saudi sacred soil and we are so-called repressing the Iraqis and we're supporting Israel."

'nuff said?

[okie01]

Buchanan is not a conservative, nor are Raimondo, Francis, Sobran, or any of the other 'paleos' mentioned in the article.

Absolutely correct.

The very first "conservative value" is self-defense.

In the absence of that commitment, the rest of one's values are at risk.

[em2vn]

P.T.qualifies as an ultra conservative.

[Inyokern]

Buchanan is not a conservative, nor are Raimondo, Francis, Sobran, or any of the other 'paleos' mentioned in the article.

Whenever the United States takes a position that, in the eyes of this crowd, benefits Israel or the Jews, this crowd wants to see the United States defeated. It is as simple as that. Buchanan has even come to the defense of Iran.

[Inyokern]

P.T.qualifies as an ultra conservative.

I disagree. I would classify Buchanan as a national socialist. It is an insult to conservatism to call Buchanan's beliefs just an extreme version of conservatism.

[JDoutrider]

4LTR

[stop_fascism]

I see Sobran as a tragic figure. A brilliant man who is destroying himself by his irrational hatred of jews. The others are just midgets. Buchanan is Roderick Spode come to life. I imagine he makes Mrs. B. call him Mein Fuhrer in their bedroom.

[Alien Gunfighter]

I didn't bother to read the article, but I'm sure by its lack of brevity that it is close to gospel.

[Tinian]

I disagree. I would classify Buchanan as a national socialist. It is an insult to conservatism to call Buchanan's beliefs just an extreme version of conservatism.

You nailed it.