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Is Modern Civilization Fragile?
Reason ^ | June 9, 2006 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 06/10/2006 6:43:49 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: mcashman

Well put. Building civilizations is what we (Humans) do.

To hell with the doomsayers!

(Once again) WELL SAID!


81 posted on 06/11/2006 2:39:08 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: after dark

Our civilization is vulnerable to destruction because people are to segmented and specialized.We are dependent on engineering and technology but few people are well educated in those areas

And that has always been the case.


82 posted on 06/11/2006 2:46:13 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: blam
Percentages? Probably about the same.

Really?

The U.S. Census Bureau claims that as of 1 July 2005, Orleans county had a population of 437,186. According to Wikipedia, 1,836 people died as a result of Katrina.

Counting ONLY Orleans county, that comes to 0.004%. Are you sure a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude would have only killed less than one half of one percent of hunter-gatherers living in the same area, without the benefit of early warning or outside assistance?

83 posted on 06/11/2006 2:58:17 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: timm22
"Are you sure a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude would have only killed less than one half of one percent of hunter-gatherers living in the same area, without the benefit of early warning or outside assistance?"

Most of the people who died in New Orleans were living off the compassion of other people, in a hunter-gatherer society, they wouldn't even have been alive when Katrina hit.

84 posted on 06/11/2006 4:19:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: timm22
Some of the most primitive people on earth:

Survivors Of Tsunami

"The December 26 tsunami in Southeast Asia heightened international awareness of the region's indigenous peoples."

"Non-governmental organizations, governments, and anthropologists working in the region say many indigenous groups survived the tsunami because their traditional lore passed down from generation to generation prepared them to deal with natural disasters. Their survival demonstrated to the world the relevance of indigenous traditional knowledge."

"In communities where Western encroachment had destroyed traditional life ways, indigenous groups had no defense against the tsunami's destruction."

85 posted on 06/11/2006 4:24:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: pierrem15
The most apparent contradiction is that if Fagan were correct, most human societies today would still be hunter-gatherer. But they are not.
Farming started when hunter-gatherers domesticated plants and animals, proving it all-round more profitible to bring the food to you than you to the food. That's the inherent quality of civilization.
86 posted on 06/11/2006 6:57:27 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: blam
This indigenous tribe survived the Tsunami:
Stone Age tribe kills fishermen who strayed on to island

87 posted on 06/11/2006 7:03:01 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: nicollo
"This indigenous tribe survived the Tsunami: "

Stone Age tribe kills fishermen who strayed on to island

Thanks. I've seen that article before.

88 posted on 06/11/2006 7:20:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: after dark
People are not taught survival skills such as agriculture and how to gather wild edible herbs and plants.

And then there are archaeologists.

If civilization goes to pot, look me up for some good arrowheads and other tools. But better bring something good to trade; dollar bills may have deflated a bit.

89 posted on 06/11/2006 8:30:55 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: pierrem15
Fagan's research is broad, but seldom deep; I find it interesting for laymen, excruciating for professionals.

His California archaeology book is a good example. That's a subject I know well. I got 20 pages and had to stop.

The book was remaindered out within a year.

90 posted on 06/11/2006 8:38:12 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: RWR8189

Ummm, yes?

"Boom, boom, boom! Out go the lights!"

You have to just love the infrastructure targets: power plants, substations, transformers, sewage processing stations, water pumping and purification plants, dams. Woo-Hoo. Hit a few of those and a city becomes uninhabitable.


91 posted on 06/12/2006 5:38:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: ClaireSolt
...it is interesting to try to imagine what it must have been like to be set upon by a hurricane unannounced.

It didn't work out too well for the inhabitants of Galveston, Texas in September of 1900. The local station of the U.S. Weather Bureau assured the citizens that the approaching storm would miss them; consequently, few decided to evacuate.

Isaac's Storm : A Man, a Time, and the Deadliest Hurricane in History

92 posted on 06/12/2006 10:00:13 AM PDT by Max in Utah
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To: wintertime
We have many examples of advanced societies who had no access to electricity.

The key part is "society as we know it," that is, modern, technologically-advanced society. It all depends on electricity to function. Modern manufacturing for example requires vast amounts of electricity.

93 posted on 06/12/2006 10:39:04 AM PDT by Max in Utah
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To: RWR8189

One only need to look at the Convention Center in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina to answer that question. Of course, a lot of those folks weren't civilized to begin with.


94 posted on 06/12/2006 11:05:06 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: Coyoteman
Well, since I am probably about to buy books on gathering wild, edible, herbs and surviving off the land.I may be able to trade some wild, edible ,herbs (I may even learn about medicinal herbs while I'm at it) ,or maybe I could even trade in some of my books on hunting and gathering.
95 posted on 06/12/2006 2:51:20 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: JimSEA; blam; strategofr
"I think I will keep...95% of my neighbors..."

Of course, otherwise with no refrigeration they will have spoiled by the time you need them...

96 posted on 07/01/2006 9:36:58 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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