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Iíve found God, says man who cracked the genome
Times Online ^ | June 11, 2006 | Steven Swinford

Posted on 06/11/2006 9:51:12 PM PDT by Marius3188

THE scientist who led the team that cracked the human genome is to publish a book explaining why he now believes in the existence of God and is convinced that miracles are real.

Francis Collins, the director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute, claims there is a rational basis for a creator and that scientific discoveries bring man “closer to God”.

His book, The Language of God, to be published in September, will reopen the age-old debate about the relationship between science and faith. “One of the great tragedies of our time is this impression that has been created that science and religion have to be at war,” said Collins, 56.

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1 posted on 06/11/2006 9:51:16 PM PDT by Marius3188
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To: Marius3188

Lots of scientists become believers once they understand the precision and complexity of creation, from a galaxy to a cell.


2 posted on 06/11/2006 9:55:52 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Jesus always reads His knee-mail. (Hall of Fame Hit-N-Run poster))
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To: Marius3188
But how did God create the human genome?
3 posted on 06/11/2006 9:56:11 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Marius3188; PatrickHenry

Does he play dice?


4 posted on 06/11/2006 9:58:48 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Marius3188

I thought he was going to say the genome was G-d. Steven Hawkings has made the statement that if he could find the unified law of physics he will have found G-d, meaning that physics is the replacement for G-d.


5 posted on 06/11/2006 10:00:22 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: Marius3188
“When you have for the first time in front of you this 3.1 billion-letter instruction book that conveys all kinds of information and all kinds of mystery about humankind, you can’t survey that going through page after page without a sense of awe. I can’t help but look at those pages and have a vague sense that this is giving me a glimpse of God’s mind.”

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Collins believes that science cannot be used to refute the existence of God because it is confined to the “natural” world. In this light he believes miracles are a real possibility. “If one is willing to accept the existence of God or some supernatural force outside nature then it is not a logical problem to admit that, occasionally, a supernatural force might stage an invasion,” he says.

It looks like the good doctor has seen the error of apriori concluding that no supernatural forces can exist or intervene in our world. Instead just let the evidence lead to the logical conclusions. That is the essence of good research. Good for him.

6 posted on 06/11/2006 10:05:44 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: Marius3188

Wouldn't it be something if he announced he believed in Creation Science? That would send a lot of people here into spasms.


7 posted on 06/11/2006 10:05:44 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Marius3188

It is not uncommon for the scientist's faith to be strengthened by what he or she observes in research. I know that has been the case for me so far.


8 posted on 06/11/2006 10:06:29 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Dallas59

Through the natural processes he created, of course.


9 posted on 06/11/2006 10:06:43 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Marius3188; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; curiosity; marron

PING! This one might prove to be interesting...


10 posted on 06/11/2006 10:12:10 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Indeed! One of those just posted this response...


11 posted on 06/11/2006 10:13:39 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: Honestfreedom

His name is, "Hawking".


12 posted on 06/11/2006 10:14:38 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: Marius3188
yes yes... Fibonacci numbers, the frequency of the gods and all that.

Its all irrelevant unless you can answer 'what happened before'
13 posted on 06/11/2006 10:14:58 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: Marius3188

Beautiful!


14 posted on 06/11/2006 10:15:22 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion have been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: mysterio

Moi aussi.


15 posted on 06/11/2006 10:15:30 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: PatrickHenry

evolist ping


16 posted on 06/11/2006 10:19:28 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: Moonman62

"Through the natural processes he created, of course."
What natural process?


17 posted on 06/11/2006 10:19:53 PM PDT by conservativefreak
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath; Right Wing Professor
Lots of scientists become believers once they understand the precision and complexity of creation, from a galaxy to a cell.

Most dare not openly admit they are believers for fear of offending the atheist/Darwinist priesthood that controls the universities and their professional livelihoods.

When this brave scientist peered into the incredibly information rich human genome, the foundation of his atheist belief system was shaken and cracked. The sorry edifice fell into complete ruins when he opened his mind to the richness and exquisite beauty of a Pacific northwest forest during a casual hike.

Thank God that some scientists have the courage to open their eyes and minds and let the evidence speak to them afresh.

18 posted on 06/11/2006 10:22:44 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: conservativefreak

The path of least resistance of course


19 posted on 06/11/2006 10:22:46 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: mysterio

A very good friend of mine, who was a researcher at Sandia labs at the time, told me the same thing, so persuasively that it changed the trajectory of my life. Many who call themselves men of science are made insecure by the idea of things they can not understand, especially the very intelligent. Others are relieved that they don't have to know everything while still finding meaning in their lives.


20 posted on 06/11/2006 10:23:42 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: Marius3188

It is only logical.. God is the father of all science. He is the master arquitect, the ultimate scientists.


21 posted on 06/11/2006 10:25:06 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: JCEccles

Heh.. the ironoic part is 'smart people' get to a point where they acknowledge that the knowledge they have accumliated to even realize how things works, cannot be an accident.

Divine comedy and all that... Dante would be proud ;)


22 posted on 06/11/2006 10:25:16 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: Marius3188

Wow- scientist finds God. I bet that will be an interesting book. Looking foward to it.


23 posted on 06/11/2006 10:30:42 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Benedict Arnold and Jack Murtha served in the US military.)
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To: Marius3188; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo
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24 posted on 06/11/2006 10:32:54 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: JCEccles
Most dare not openly admit they are believers for fear of offending the atheist/Darwinist priesthood that controls the universities and their professional livelihoods.

Collins has been a professing Christian for as long as I've known of him; he's never made any secret of it. He mentions it in this 1998 interview. Yet he was chosen to head the genome initiative. I guess that means what you just wrote is full of it. As usual.

25 posted on 06/11/2006 10:32:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Honestfreedom

I thought he was going to say the genome was G-d. Steven Hawkings has made the statement that if he could find the unified law of physics he will have found G-d, meaning that physics is the replacement for G-d."

If God created everything, then he created physics.
Is physics capable of creating physics?


26 posted on 06/11/2006 10:36:57 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: potlatch


Always ready with a zinger.....


27 posted on 06/11/2006 10:37:12 PM PDT by devolve (fx AMERICANS_KILLED_IN_2003_BY_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_REPORT_4380+4745=9125 NO__NUEVO__TEJAS!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ping


28 posted on 06/11/2006 10:37:17 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Cinnamon

> God is the father of all science. He is the master arquitect, the ultimate scientists.

Errrr... really? To be a scientist, you need to find some question you don't already have an answer for, and then experiments and reason your way to the facts. I was kinda under the impression that God already knew all the answers. God turning out to be a scientist means that God isn't omniscient.


29 posted on 06/11/2006 10:39:52 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: FreedomNeocon
My 13 year-old son wants to be a doctor. He is very smart, well-read, disciplined and has everything he needs to reach his goal. We often have long discussions about biology, zoology, evolution, and God. I am not a biologist but I am widely and well read. It is a joy to discuss with him the marvel of life and its incredible complexity, about the amazing confluence of factors from an atomic through a cosmic scale that had to balance just-so to give us this rich opportunity to know what we are coming to know during this narrow window of time between great ice ages.

Some scientists sought nothing less than the total annihilation of religious faith in the wake of Darwinism and Newtonian physics. They not only failed, they failed utterly. Never has religious faith been more fully and powerfully informed by the findings of science than it is today.

30 posted on 06/11/2006 10:39:58 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: devolve

"I've got a million of them!" But no more for you tonight!


31 posted on 06/11/2006 10:40:05 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Marius3188

Watch how fast his fellows will shun and/or marginalize him now. And watch how fast the media will forget he ever existed.


32 posted on 06/11/2006 10:42:04 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: JCEccles

> Thank God that some scientists have the courage to open their eyes and minds and let the evidence speak to them afresh.

Yup. Thank God for the likes of Darwin, for example.


33 posted on 06/11/2006 10:42:05 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: JCEccles

> Some scientists sought nothing less than the total annihilation of religious faith...

Names and citations, please.


34 posted on 06/11/2006 10:43:06 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: TheCrusader
Watch how fast his fellows will shun and/or marginalize him now. And watch how fast the media will forget he ever existed.

See post #25 to learn how unfounded your conspiracy theory is.

35 posted on 06/11/2006 10:47:15 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Not according to Einstein.


37 posted on 06/11/2006 10:52:10 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there, that's the best!!)
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To: aequoanimo

Then this highly hypothetical "God" person isn't a scientist.

Seems this would be an appropriate thread to mention at this point:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647683/posts


38 posted on 06/11/2006 10:52:37 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Marius3188

"In further news, scientists worldwide declare genome scientist a quack, kick him out of their professional associations".


39 posted on 06/11/2006 10:54:45 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Right Wing Professor

Such vitriol. Your retort does not refute his point. Simply because one man speaks out does not mean that all have spoken out. Your response is also a self-refutation. The tone of your remark is WHY others do not speak out. Your bitterness and contempt is palpable.


40 posted on 06/11/2006 10:55:17 PM PDT by DeltaZulu
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To: orionblamblam

all knowledge comes from God.. nothing is revealed without him doing so. As to him being the ultimate scientists, no it does not mean he's got questions to unknowns.. that's not the meaning of science. at the end of the journey through our limited view of the world arounds us, one cannot but admit that all of it is not a product of chance, but a masterpiece, and behind the masterpiece there is a painter

he is creating life forms, and sharing this knowledge with his life forms: Us


41 posted on 06/11/2006 10:56:18 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Marius3188

I see some DUmmie trolls are here today.


42 posted on 06/11/2006 10:59:36 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Paleo Conservative
Does he play dice?

Yes, but His dice are spherical.

43 posted on 06/11/2006 11:01:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DeltaZulu
Your retort does not refute his point.

Uh, yes it does.

Simply because one man speaks out does not mean that all have spoken out.

Plenty of scientists are professing Christians. Nobody really cares.

The tone of your remark is WHY others do not speak out. Your bitterness and contempt is palpable.

I have enormous contempt for those who misrepresent the words of others. Case in point.

44 posted on 06/11/2006 11:01:35 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: JCEccles

> When this brave scientist peered into the incredibly information rich human genome, the foundation of his atheist belief system was shaken and cracked.

REALLY.

Survey says:
http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/col1int-6
"Another thing that's very important to me is my faith, and that surprises people. They assume that scientists in general would find it difficult to have coexisting within them a belief in a personal god. And yet to me that is the unifying principle of who I am. And it's not a faith which was sort of acquired as a child and which I've just not been able to grow out of, which is the other thing people tend to assume. I acquired that faith at age 27..."

OK, he was 27 when he "found God." Accordign to here:
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadership/usnews/genome.html

He was born in 1950. That means he found God in 1977 or so.

According to Wikipedia: "Tapped to take on the leadership of the HGP, Collins accepted an invitation in 1993 to succeed James Watson and become director of the National Center for Human Genome Research, which became NHGRI in 1997. As director, he oversees the International Human Genome Sequencing Consortium and many other aspects of what he has called "an adventure that beats going to the moon or splitting the atom."

In 1994, Collins founded NHGRI's Division of Intramural Research (DIR), an intramural program of genome research that has developed into one of the nation's premier research centers in human genetics."


So: which came first... 1977 or 1994?

Was he a stealth Christian in '94, only "coming out" recently?


45 posted on 06/11/2006 11:03:53 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: JCEccles
Like I said... even if you find all that... 'get' all the answers and explanations and reasons for it all... you are still left with 'why' and 'how' for those 'perfect sequences' and 'natural flow' of everything.

That is the point where most scientists start to find religion.
46 posted on 06/11/2006 11:04:22 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: TXnMA
His name is, "Hawking".

That wheelchair guy?

47 posted on 06/11/2006 11:06:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Cinnamon

> all knowledge comes from God.

Prove that claim. Show your work. And then stand by to win a Nobel prize.

I'll just wait patiently...

> no it does not mean he's got questions to unknowns.. that's not the meaning of science.

Uh, yeah, it pretty much is.

> one cannot but admit that all of it is not a product of chance

Errr... sure looks like a whole lotta chance going on to me.


48 posted on 06/11/2006 11:06:49 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: orionblamblam
Was he a stealth Christian in '94, only "coming out" recently?

I posted a link to a 1998 interview, where he talks about his conversion to Christianity. Clearly, our commissars have been sloppy. He should have been terminated immediately.

49 posted on 06/11/2006 11:08:17 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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I see where you're going with this...

may I recommend a fine book called Godless, by Ann Coulter?


50 posted on 06/11/2006 11:08:22 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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