Posted on 06/12/2006 11:48:18 AM PDT by Brian Mosely
Rte66 and Leila:
A few responses have been sent into orbit... hmmm.
I am afraid to say anything now. Perhaps, it's why we see four of one post sometimes. I'll wait till tomorrow.
Now I'm sort of bummed about the prospect of Mack ever being brought to justice. I hadn't even thought about the implications of turning himself in at the US Consulate in PV.
That would be US soil and the DA described it as "safe haven" for all involved, i.e., Mack, Mexican police, FBI, and so forth. However, if he had done that, he would've been eligible for the death penalty - there would be no bargaining for extradition and chance for the US to withdraw the DP just to get Mack back here.
From Mack's POV, he needs to be in a Mexican jail - then the US would withdraw the DP. AAAcccck!!! That's why he ran. Nothing like bargaining with a DA instead of his own (or any) defense attorney. Cripes, this makes me mad. He will never surrender now - and if he really was in a weak moment when he called Gammick (not just lying), he probably isn't anymore.
I also got to thinking that it *is* possible he drove that silver Explorer to Mexico, even though I'm the only person in the world who might think that. It's only 527 miles from Sacramento to Tijuana. And only 582 miles from Reno to Tijuana.
If he really did drive to Sacramento (and realized he had missed the MX flight) just to stamp that parking validation for a 10-minute visit at the airport lot, leaving at 2:30PM, he could've been in Tijuana by midnight. And if he had someone else do that, to throw off the scent, but took out for the border himself from Reno, he still could've made it there by 1-2AM, if we give him time to just drive the speed limit and not attract attention.
I think it's possible - that he could've done it. It makes the most sense with that stash of guns.
And if it's still like it was the last time I drove from San Diego (but pre-9-11-01), you just drive down the freeway and all of a sudden you're in Tijuana. No stops, not even any big signs or anything. Just "bam!" and there you are. He wouldn't have to show anything to anybody, authoritywise.
I don't know about the other border towns and crossing FROM the US to Mexico, but I know about that one and he might have known, too. From there, it's just a leisurely drive, taking his time, straight down in to the Baja. Makes perfect sense that he would've been in Cabo San Lucas first (that we know about), on June 15.
Driving straight south, he would've reached it first. Don't know where he stayed for sure, but I bet it was that hotel by the mercado, near downtown. If he had stayed at any of the other other resorts, which are spaced along the coast to San Jose del Cabo, like along where El Arco is and that surfing beach - Acapulquito - those are very remote places, secluded - like La Palmilla - I just don't think he would've been spotted there by anyone from here who would know to be looking for him.
Same with the hotels in SJDC. I think he was down in town at Cabo San Lucas, where all the "action" is - near Cabo Wabo and the Giggling Marlin and Squid Roe -- places like that.
He seems like a Fiesta Americana Hotel type of person, but he probably thinks of himself as La Palmilla (the "One & Only"). I just see him at a pool where there are lots of hot young babes in their thongs, not a bunch of society matrons in their cover-ups.
Hmmm, just thinking. Some of them might be topless in the beach areas--that's probably where he would be. Those would be more towards San Jose del Cabo.
Anyway, whichever Cabo he was in, that was on Thu., 6-15. Then on Sat., 6-17, he was spotted in La Paz. That's the capital of that area of the Baja Sur. It's not really a resort town - more a business type place. Mainly it's where the ferry to the mainland is - to Mazatlan and Los Mochis - Topolabombo (sp?).
It's a car ferry, so if he had one, it would've been with him. It's a very long ride, from late afternoon until the next morning, but not as long as driving it would be, that's for sure. If he was spotted in Mazatlan and then Vallarta this week, Mon., 6-19 or Tue., 6-20, that's probably how he got there, rather than driving all the way around and taking two days.
So, if he had already been to PV, and the DA was asking him to go back to PV, but thinking he was in Cabo (that's what was said), he had to have a way to get to PV quickly from 6PM Wed. night, 6-21, when he talked with Gammick, to 8:30AM on Thu., 6-22, in Vallarta. Hmm, couldn't be done by car or ferry boat. Maybe he was in Mazatlan. That makes more sense - he could just drive down the coast.
I did try to figure out if there was some way I could find if he had a private plane he owned in some other name. First I tried to find any info I could on the plane crash his father died in. Was it a big airliner crash with lots of fatalities, or his own small plane?
I couldn't pinpoint his father's date of death, as the records I saw only said January, 1986. No specific day. I thought perhaps the crash site had been hidden and he wasn't found for some time, so exact DOD was unknown. I couldn't find any newspaper articles.
I found two plane incidents with fatalities that I thought really might fit. They were both on Jan 27th, the day before the Space Shuttle Challenger blew up. One was a small Cessna that crashed on take off with carb icing from Lake Tahoe, going to St George UT. The pilot and two passengers died. (These are NTSB reports and they don't give names.) That pilot was a 53-yo male.
However, Mack's father was 51, and 6 months away from being 52. That's why the next one was pretty eerie, except for the age description. That one was a crash of a small twin-engine Cessna also, which had deprted from the airport at Thermal, CA - right by La Quinta, where they have property, and had crashed at the Reno Airport (Reno Cannon Intl) when approaching for a landing at the same time as a Boeing 737 which caused a downdraft on his small plane. It crashed, burned and exploded, destroying the plane. The pilot was a 50-yo male, whose flight experience had been in and around Reno.
So, I don't know if either of those might have been his father's plane crash, but it's possible, if the ages were just approximate - especially that last one. If I found out a different DOD, then that search was just in vain. What it did answer for me was whether there might be an aircraft of his father's left, which he might use. I'm guessing no, if one of these reports applies to him.
I guess we shall see, in time.
That happens sometimes!
Here's some of Nancy Grace's show last night, a little bit of fairly new info:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/22/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Breaking News in Search for Darren Mack
Aired June 22, 2006 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, breaking news out of Nevada, Darren Mack, now on the FBI`s Most Wanted list after allegedly shooting down a Reno judge that presided over his divorce and the stabbing death of his own wife, on the run, eluding multiple law enforcement agencies. And tonight: Is there finally a break in the search for Darren Mack?
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But first tonight, to Nevada, breaking news in the search for Darren Mack.
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MIKE POEHLMAN, RENO POLICE CHIEF: Darren Roy Mack, wanted in the murder of his estranged wife, Charla, and for the sniper shooting of Reno family court judge Charles Weller on June 12, today failed to turn himself in to a U.S. consulate in Mexico.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are on the search for Darren Mack. Tonight, straight out to Kevin Miller. What`s the latest? Has this guy been spotted poolside at Cabo?
KEVIN MILLER, WPTF RADIO: That is correct, Nancy. He`s been spotted at several resorts in Mexico. Authorities now believe that he`s in the western part of Mexico. He was supposed to turn himself in today at the U.S. consulate Puerto Vallarta. That did not happen. So he is on the loose, and an international manhunt is under way. He is considered armed and dangerous.
GRACE: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Kevin, he was supposed to turn himself in at the U.S. consulate in Mexico?
MILLER: That is correct. Early this morning...
GRACE: Whose idea was that? Let me guess. Law enforcement?
MILLER: Well, he did negotiate that with DA -- District Attorney Dick Gammick. They came up with an agreement. Then all of a sudden, Mr. Mack didn`t show up. Also, Darren Stone and John Smith are some of his aliases.
GRACE: Well, I guess not, Renee Rockwell! U.S. consulate -- hello! You step into the U.S. consulate, you`re on U.S. soil. Translation: We`re not extraditing you anymore. We can seek the death penalty.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Exactly. So what he needs to do is go somewhere in a Mexican jail, where he can negotiate. Don`t forget, Mexico does not give the death penalty, so what he can do is say, I will come home. Mexico can say, I`m not sending him back unless you waive the death penalty, Nevada.
GRACE: Take a listen to what Chief Mike Poehlman had to say.
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POEHLMAN: Darren Roy Mack, wanted in the murder of his estranged wife, Charla, and the sniper shooting of Reno family court judge Charles Weller on June 12, today failed to turn himself in to a U.S. consulate in Mexico at Puerta Vallarta at 8:30 this morning.
Earlier this week, Mack contacted District Attorney Dick Gammick by telephone and expressed a desire to surrender. Reno police officials have been working with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI, inside of Mexico to facilitate the return of Mack to the United States while those negotiations with Mack had been under way.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: With us tonight, a very special guest. It is an honor to welcome Reno Police Department Chief Mike Poehlman. Welcome, Chief. What are you doing tonight to catch Darren Mack?
POEHLMAN: Well, I appreciate being on your show with you.
GRACE: Yes, sir.
POEHLMAN: We`re working with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as well as the Mexican officials, to continue to try and identify exactly where Mr. Mack might be, if he`s still in Mexico.
GRACE: Chief, I understand you`re still looking for that same vehicle. No way! Please tell me, do you think Darren Mack is still using that vehicle? You`re going to find that somewhere burned out, probably, and definitely with the license plate changed.
POEHLMAN: Well, that`s -- certainly, we expect that he`s not going to have it in Mexico, if that`s where he is. But we want to find it because we certainly want to go through that vehicle in case it has any evidentiary value to us.
GRACE: Chief, is it true that his credit card was used at the Sacramento airport?
POEHLMAN: A credit card was -- that belonged to his corporation was used. And it was a credit card that had been issued to him.
GRACE: What was bought?
POEHLMAN: Nothing was bought, but parking was paid for. A vehicle entered and was in the parking structure for about 10 minutes, and then it left. And that credit card was used to pay for that visit into a parking structure.
GRACE: Well, that`s interesting, Chief. With us, Chief Mike Poehlman with the Reno Police Department, on the search for Darren Mack. In case you don`t recall, I believe it was June 12, right, Ellie, when the family court judge Charles Weller was gunned down in his own chamber. There he is, the family court judge that presided over Mack`s divorce. Also that same day, this woman, his wife, Charla Mack, found stabbed to death, Darren Mack on the run ever since.
Again, tonight with us, Chief Mike Poehlman. That`s very interesting what you just said, Chief, that he pulled in -- we think he pulled in -- somebody using his credit card pulled into a parking facility, was only there about 10 minutes and left?
POEHLMAN: That`s correct. The vehicle was only there -- when the entry was made, that ticket was only valid for 10 minutes.
GRACE: Chief, were any cars stolen out of the parking garage?
POEHLMAN: None that have been reported.
GRACE: But for all we know, somebody parked a car there, went on vacation, a business trip, and they don`t even know the car is stolen yet.
POEHLMAN: That could be it, or there was somebody else with him and they drove in and someone was dropped off or something was picked up. I mean, there could be several different things could have occurred.
GRACE: A lot of different scenarios. You`re right, Chief. With us, Chief Mike Poehlman, on the search for Darren Mack. Why do you believe Mack has lots and lots of cash with him?
POEHLMAN: Well, the investigation has revealed that he certainly had access to quite a bit of disposable income. There was speculation on the part of Charla Mack that he had moved money out of the country. Our investigation is -- we`re looking at that. It was also our belief, based on having talked to other witnesses, that he had a considerable amount of cash available to him.
GRACE: To Don Clark, former head of the FBI bureau in Houston. Don, explain why someone that owned a pawn shop would have access to tons and tons of cash -- plus guns, I might add.
DON CLARK, FORMER HEAD, FBI HOUSTON BUREAU: Well, certainly, Nancy, if you`re in a pawn shop, everything is brought in from jewelry to guns, so there are plenty of guns that`s coming into that place. And there are procedures that they should be reported to ATF. But if you don`t have to - - if don`t want to, maybe you don`t always report those. So you really have that.
And bear in mind, in pawn shops, people are giving cash all the time. Whatever you bring in, they want the cash. That`s the reason that they`re bringing it in. So it`s not uncommon for them to have loads, if you will, of cash on hand, so they can disperse it as they go away. So if this guy is ready to run, he just takes it out of the cash register, puts it in a bag with himself and move along.
GRACE: Police say tons and tons of cash. I`m talking well over $100,000, easily, this guy could have. Also, many, many trips had been documented in the divorce papers, Chief Poehlman, that we have looked at, documenting his trips to Costa Rica, to Mexico, to many places abroad in his search for swingers, going to these swingers, what do you say, conventions? And this guy could very easily have hideouts who knows where, Chief.
POEHLMAN: ... different states here in the United States. Certainly, he has been a frequent visitor to the area we believe he is at right now, and so he would have great familiarity with that area, how to travel about in the area, et cetera.
Take a listen to this.
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POEHLMAN: Mack, who is believed to also have been using the names of Darren Stone and John Smith, was believed to be on the west coast of Mexico last night at 1800 hours, when we last communicated with him. He is believed to have been in the Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta areas of the west coast of Mexico this week.
There was a credible sighting of Mack in Cabo San Lucas on June the 15th, and we believe he had also been in La Paz on June 17, on the Baja peninsula. If you`ll look at the map here, we`ve highlighted those areas of La Paz on the top, then Cabo down below, and then across, Mazatlan, and down below, Puerta Vallarta, where he was to have surrendered this morning when, again, he failed to show.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: The manhunt for Darren Mack goes on. So far, he has eluded multiple law enforcement agencies. Now out to the reporter with KUNR, William Albright. Tell me what you know, William, about Mack contacting authorities for an alleged surrender.
WILLIAM ALBRIGHT, KUNR RADIO: Well, according to the press conference this morning in Reno, he has been in contact with the district attorney, Dick Gammick. I don`t know if you`ve already heard from him tonight or not. But apparently, they`ve had more than a dozen phone calls and exchanged e-mails over the last four days.
GRACE: Let`s go out to the lines, Elizabeth. Hi, Amy in Nebraska.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.
GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just wanting to know if there had been any credible leads since this afternoon, when he was supposed to surrender himself, as to where his location may be.
GRACE: Chief Mike Poehlman is with us, the chief of the Reno Police Department. Have there been any more leads since this afternoon?
POEHLMAN: Yes.
GRACE: And how are you getting a bead on his location, Chief?
POEHLMAN: We`ve continued to receive a number of active leads that we`re following up on. Those are both information coming in from the Mexican officials, as well as other individuals who are indicating maybe they`ve seen him or spoken to him.
GRACE: And Chief, one of the leads says he was lounging poolside. Where was that supposed to be?
POEHLMAN: In Cabo San Lucas...
GRACE: You mean where all the star and celebrities go?
POEHLMAN: Well, I don`t know about that.
GRACE: Well, yes!
POEHLMAN: I can`t say I`ve been there to visit, but...
GRACE: I haven`t, either, but I can read the mags, and Cabo is where all the rich celebrities go. This guy must have a ton of money with him, Chief. He`s lounged out by a pool, having a drink. Is he with a woman?
POEHLMAN: Well, I don`t know anything about a drink, and we certainly haven`t had any information that he was with anyone else. The individual who reported this to us saw him twice in the pool area, and they had no information about him being with anyone else.
GRACE: Is it at a resort?
POEHLMAN: Yes, that`s correct.
GRACE: What resort?
POEHLMAN: I don`t have the name of the~ resort.
GRACE: And sir, what cell phone is he using? Is he using his own phone?
POEHLMAN: Well, if you`ve traveled internationally, you know it`s very easy to get a phone card and be able to use any telephone.
GRACE: So he`s not using his own phone.
POEHLMAN: We have no information that he`s calling on a cell phone, no.
GRACE: You know, that`s an interesting question, Chief Poehlman. When someone uses one of those phone cards, once they use it the first time, if they continue to use it, can you triangulate it, in other words, identify the general location where the cell call`s coming from?
POEHLMAN: If we have the proper agreements with the company, we can get information where the call is coming from, yes.
GRACE: Back to William Albright with KUNR radio. How did Mack and the district attorney know each other prior to this incident? I understand he`s making a lot of calls to the DA, who is joining us in just a few moments.
ALBRIGHT: Well, this is a growing town, but up until recently, it`s been a small town and still has a lot of that small town stuff. Everybody knows everybody. Gammick and Mack were both prominent members of the community.
GRACE: Who contacted who? Did the DA call Mack or vice versa?
ALBRIGHT: Vice versa, is my understanding.
GRACE: Take a listen to what the chief had to say earlier.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
POEHLMAN: The investigators are working closely with FBI officials inside Mexico to locate and apprehend Mack, who may have moved since his last contact. It`s been over 12 hours since we had our last contact, and he can obviously travel a great distance in that time.
In addition to the warrant for his arrest for the murder of Charla Mack and the federal warrant charging unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, we, the police, have probable cause now to arrest Mack for the attempted murder of Reno family court judge Charles Weller in the sniper shooting of the judge in his third floor office on June the 12th.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Back out to Chief Mike Poehlman, the chief of the Reno Police Department. Chief, do we know or have any idea how Mack got to Mexico?
POEHLMAN: No, we don`t.
GRACE: Well, you know, with all the immigrants, the illegal immigrants, flooding into the country, it must be just as easy to flood the other way. Chief, is there a reward for Mack?
POEHLMAN: Yes, there is. The secret witness here is offering a reward for any information that would lead to the arrest and conviction of Mack.
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Elizabeth, do you have that wrong, $2,500 for this guy? Is that the reward? Chief, is that the reward?
POEHLMAN: I understand it`s gotten up to $10,000.
GRACE: Oh, thank God in heaven! I mean, people pay $2,500 for a reward on a missing cat in this town. You know, you got to give a reward bigger than that. And this guy has got a stockpile of cash with him.
Chief, I`m still interested, I`m still intrigued by the fact that he originally went to the Sacramento airport, went into the parking deck and came back out in 10 minutes. What`s your theory, if you`ve got a working theory now?
POEHLMAN: Well, we`re not certain he did. We know that the credit card was used there. The assumption is that he was there when that credit card was used. But at this point, we have no hard...
GRACE: Well, who else has authority to use the credit card?
POEHLMAN: He could have given it to anyone.
GRACE: Oh, I see what you mean. So an accomplice!
POEHLMAN: That could be a way to try to lead us in a false direction.
GRACE: An accomplice. I see what you mean.
POEHLMAN: That`s right. So...
GRACE: Who in the heck would be helping this guy? Chief, please stay with us. With us is Chief Mike Poehlman, the chief of the Reno Police Department, on the search for Darren Mack. Also with us, William Albright with KUNR, Kevin Miller. And when we come back, the Washoe county attorney will be with us, as well, who has spoken to Mack.
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Now straight back to the manhunt for Darren Mack. Joining us now, special guest, the Washoe county attorney, Dick Gammick. Welcome, sir. Thank you for being with us. Do I have Dick with me, Elizabeth?
DICK GAMMICK, WASHOE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: Yes, I`m here.
GRACE: Hi. I can`t hear you. Can you speak up, sir?
GAMMICK: I`m here.
GRACE: Oh, there you are. Hi. Thank you for being with us.
GAMMICK: Here you go. Somebody needed to flip the right switch. Yes, I`m here. How`re you doing?
GRACE: Yes, that crazy little volume thing! Mr. Gammick, how many times has Darren Mack actually contacted your office?
GAMMICK: I`m going to guess somewhere about 8 to 10 times.
GRACE: You know, it`s amazing he`s contacted you 8 to 10 times, but then was a no-show when it came time to surrender himself.
GAMMICK: Well, he called me Monday to talk to me about a possible surrender. And then we`ve been discussing all of the details of that and trying to get everything worked out for the last three days.
GRACE: So has it been worked out and he was a no-show, or has it not been worked out yet?
GAMMICK: Oh, I thought it was worked out this morning until he didn`t show up. So we`re not sure where he`s at now, and we`re back at -- on the manhunt again, looking for him.
GRACE: So it worked out on your end.
GAMMICK: Yes. We were ready to go.
GRACE: Now, whose idea was it for him to turn himself in to the U.S. consulate?
GAMMICK: Whose idea was that?
GRACE: Yes.
GAMMICK: That was worked out through us and through the Federal Bureau of Investigation, so that we could turn him in to the consulate, which would be basically a safe haven for everyone involved, and then we could just go ahead and pick him up there. Of course, that was worked out with the country, too. It wasn`t -- we weren`t trying to do anything sneaky to them. The idea was -- then they were talking to Mexican authorities there, to have him surrender himself and then go ahead and come back to the United States today.
GRACE: With me, Washoe county attorney Dick Gammick. You brought up a very interesting legal point. You`re not dealing with a normal surrender. You`re dealing not only with a surrender, but in a different country that you`re having to get cooperation from. Dick Gammick is with us, Washoe county attorney.
What did Mack have to say?
GAMMICK: With respect to what?
GRACE: To the crimes.
GAMMICK: Oh, OK. I`m not going to get into the specifics of the interviews or the discussions that we`ve had for the last few days, so that`ll all come out down the road.
GRACE: OK, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Mr. Gammick, please. Not working. OK. Dick Gammick will join us when we get back, Washoe county attorney.
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Back to the search for Darren Mack. With us, William Albright with KUNR radio. He`s been on the case from the beginning. To you, William. Do we know any dates on all the locations authorities believe Mack has been in -- I mean, where has he crossed the country?
ALBRIGHT: That`s not known at this time. But one thing (INAUDIBLE) the failure to turn himself in to the U.S. consulate. Mexico doesn`t have a death penalty. So if he turns himself in to Mexican authorities, he might not be extraditable under penalty of death.
GRACE: Exactly. And of course, turning yourself in to the U.S. consulate -- to Allison Gilman -- is just like going on U.S. soil. So what would the consequence be, Allison?
ALLISON GILMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The consequence would be exactly what we`re saying, Nancy. I mean, he really exposes himself to coming back here and possibly facing the death penalty. But I think right now, he`s panicking. I think calling the U.S. -- calling the district attorney is a panic move. I think in the time that he was actually going to go and turn himself in, he`s suddenly panicking. He doesn`t really know what he`s doing. But I`m telling you, the idea of spending the rest of your life in a Mexican jail really doesn`t sound too attractive, either.
GRACE: I`m not so sure this guy is going to be caught. What about it, Don Clark? We know he`s got money. He`s eluded multiple law enforcement agencies so far. He doesn`t seem like he`s in a panic to me. He`s lying by a pool.
CLARK: Well, I`m not certain he`s not in a panic, Nancy. You know, I think he is sort of grasping for straws now and trying to figure out what can he do to try to get some situation, something negotiated that may help his case some because he`s in a heck of a predicament at this time.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Darren Roy Mack, wanted in the murder of his estranged wife, Charla, and for the sniper shooting of Reno family court Judge Charles Weller on June 12th today failed to turn himself in to a U.S. consulate in Mexico at Puerto Vallarta at 8:30 this morning.
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GRACE: The search for Darren Mack ongoing. We now believe Mack, last sighted in Cabo, is refusing to turn himself in. He had apparently worked out a deal to report to the U.S. consulate there in Mexico, this after family court Judge Charles Weller was shot down in his own chambers. Weller had been presiding over Mack`s divorcer, soon after the body of Mack`s wife, Charla, was found stabbed to death. Custody of their 8-year- old child temporarily with Mack`s parents.
Out to Joanne Musick, former prosecutor, will Mack eventually surrender? I don`t see it.
JOANNE MUSICK, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, we would certainly hope that he does, for his safety and the safety of all of those around him, and the safety of law enforcement officers that are out looking for him.
At this point, it`s not looking -- I mean, it was looking hopeful with his contacting of the district attorney and his negotiations. But then the no-show today casts a whole new light on things, and, you know, maybe that he`s gotten cold feet and decided to take this on more of a run.
GRACE: Yes, I don`t see this guy surrendering. I think that maybe what he was doing was trying to throw police off his track, as a matter of fact.
Out to you, Renee, what legal responsibility does Mack`s defense lawyer bear if he has been in touch with Darren Mack and he is helping him in some way?
ROCKWELL: Nancy, I was about to say, does anybody wonder why he`s calling the D.A. and not a lawyer? Certainly, a lawyer would say: Do not go to a consulate. Go to a Mexican jail.
But the responsibility that a defense attorney has is this: You must tell your client that`s seeking your advice that there is a warrant for your arrest. You need to turn yourself in. You need to surrender yourself.
You could add to that don`t make any statements and don`t engage in any kind of physical contact with them, so that you`ll come in alive. But I just don`t see him -- he needs to call a lawyer.
GRACE: Let`s go out to the lines, Elizabeth.
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CALLER: I agree with you. I think that he`s very calculating. In the eight to 10 calls that he made, was there ever an attempt at a trace?
GRACE: You know, excellent question. What about it, William Albright. William Albright with KUNR.
I got the chief of police to tell us that he is using one of those phone cards, but what about the process of triangulation and also, once that card has been used, we know there are agreements with the telephone companies there in Mexico. We have reciprocal use across the border. Can`t it be traced? And has there been an attempt to trace it, William?
ALBRIGHT: I no knowledge of that, but I can say that he does have a local attorney that he`s reportedly been in contact with, and there is some question of subpoenaing those phone records.
GRACE: Interesting. But would that be a violation of attorney-client privilege, Allison, to subpoena the defense attorney`s phone records?
GILMAN: I would think it would. I mean, you can try and subpoena them, but any conversation that occurred between him and his lawyer, this is him going to a lawyer saying, "I`m scared. I need help."
I mean, there is nothing more confidential than between a client and an attorney.
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GRACE: But just the phone number, the phone number itself. You know, I don`t know that that`s privileged. That can be subpoenaed by anybody.
GILMAN: Yes. I guess just the number itself could probably be subpoenaed by a judge, yes.
GRACE: And then it`s a matter of triangulation. Explain it, Don Clark.
CLARK: ... with triangulation. I mean, this is a process that`s been going on. You`ve got one party who`s trying to get in touch with a second party. And in the midst of that, you`ve got a monitoring element.
And that`s what they`re going to do. And part of the monitoring element is also a transcript. And we used to call it a pin registry, and I`m sure it`s still call that. And it will list all of the telephone numbers that`s been called.
And I suppose that those -- I know that those records can be gotten, and you can get a court order to do that, Nancy. So it`s not something that`s out of the ordinary. It goes on frequently. And I suspect that that`s probably going on right now.
GRACE: Clark, this guy has graduated from being a local pawnshop owner to being on the FBI`s most wanted. Who is in the same club with him?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, it`s an exclusive club, Nancy. Let`s go down some of the names.
We start with Osama bin Laden. Needs no introduction. He`s the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
Also in that same Al Qaeda section is Ayman al-Zarqawi (sic). He`s responsible for all those bombings down in Africa, Nancy, in the `90s, if you remember.
Warren Jeffs, he`s the self-proclaimed profit from the FLDS church. The FBI wants him for having sex with underaged girls. They`re still after him.
And this guy we have on the chart, his name is Donald Webb. He`s wanted because they haven`t been able to track him down in 25 years. Killed a police chief in Pennsylvania, 25 years.
GRACE: What`s his name?
GOLDBAND: His name is Donald Webb, Nance, the longest time that anyone has been on the FBI`s most wanted list.
GRACE: And Darren Mack may be following in Webb`s footsteps.
To Mary in Virginia. Hi, Mary.
CALLER: Hi, Nancy. I was wondering how much cooperation the FBI is getting from the Mexican authorities.
GRACE: That`s a good one. Don Clark, former FBI head of the Houston bureau, do we get cooperation from Mexico?
CLARK: You know, Nancy, we do. The FBI is about in 50 countries. And, certainly, Mexico is one of those countries.
GRACE: If we get so much cooperation from them, why does everybody run to Mexico?
CLARK: Well, you know, you don`t get every criminal back, but there are a lot of criminals that are coming back on a frequent basis from this. And I have to tell you, is that the FBI cannot go and do the investigation themselves, but clearly they have good liaison with those Mexican federales over there, and they`re going to follow and pass them as much information as they can and help them with this case.
They cannot go out and grab this guy, but they can certainly give the information to the Mexican authorities.
GRACE: Please...
(CROSSTALK)
CLARK: And my experience has been that they will cooperate.
GRACE: He`s lounging poolside. He`s living it up on the south side, all right? This guy is not studying turning himself in.
I mean, Kevin Miller, you got a couple of hundred thou American dollars, I mean, haven`t you seen those ads, live for $8 a day in Mexico?
MILLER: Not only that, Nancy, but remember...
GRACE: This guy has dug in.
MILLER: Well, not only that, but remember Eric Rudolph, who didn`t have a lot of resources and look how long he remained underground, and he remained underground in North Carolina. If this gentleman wants to live large in Mexico, it`s going to be tough for people to find him, especially if we have reluctant cooperation from the Mexican authorities.
GRACE: Let`s go out to the lines, Liz. Jason in Indiana. Hi, Jason.
CALLER: Hi, love your show.
GRACE: Thank you, dear.
CALLER: My question is, being that he`s traveling to Mexico, will he face further charges for leaving the country?
GRACE: Well, he is a fugitive, a fugitive on the run. What about it, Renee?
ROCKWELL: ... that`s a federal charge to leave the country, to escape prosecution. But you mentioned that, a little 10-minute parking job. Whoever is helping him is someone -- pulled into the Sacramento parking deck, dropped him off so he can maybe catch a puddle-jumper down to Mexico. That person, too, is in trouble for harboring a fugitive.
GRACE: Ellie, isn`t there already a federal warrant on him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right, yes, there is. There`s a federal warrant charging him with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.
GRACE: So, in answer to your question, Jason in Indiana, yes, the feds are after him, too. They`re not just cooperating. They`ve got a warrant on him.
Let`s go to Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us. Bethany, Mack has contacted the district attorney offering all of these plans to turn himself in, and then -- ruh-roh -- got lost on the way to the consulate. Please.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, I think in order to understand why he`s doing that you have to think about, why did he kill his wife? All right, because then you can take a look at his motivation.
These guys who kill their wives, often they have a persecutory relationship with the victim. He probably felt that she was stomping on his heart, taking his money, taking his child, so he rebalanced the power by killing her.
And it`s possible that now he feels great relief, he`s bobbing in a pool, he`s feeling better. And now, if he calls the authority, he tells them that he will turn himself in, and then he recants. He may feel like he`s rebalancing the power there. In other words, he`s now charge; he can come; he can go; he can say something and then change his mind; and he might be toying with them.
GRACE: To Dr. Michael Hunter, forensic pathologist, a lot is being made tonight of Darren Mack, on the search for Darren Mack, Darren Mack on the FBI most wanted, Darren Mack in Cabo San Lucas. Let`s talk about the victim for a moment. What about Charla Mack?
She was stabbed to death, found face down in a pool of own blood, dragged across the garage, her little girl inside the house a few feet away. To be found in that condition, her wounds were severe.
DR. MICHAEL HUNTER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, when you see these kind of violent domestic attacks, particularly with a knife, they`re absolutely brutal. You`re talking about multiple wounds. You`re talking about blood loss over a period of time. You`re talking about a struggle, possibly person to person, between the victim and the assailant.
They`re horrible cases.
He has been arrested! All the news is saying is that he is in custody in Mexico! Hurray!
My question exactly.
Did Darren Mack Try to Make Contact With Me?
Friday, June 23, 2006
By Greta Van Susteren
Under my favorite headline, "never dull" — and because I promised you the behind the scenes — here is yesterday: I began receiving calls and e-mails yesterday from someone who claims to be in touch with fugitive Darren Mack. Mack is wanted for killing his wife and is a suspect in the sniper shooting of a Reno judge. The e-mailer/caller told me that Mack wants to talk to me.
I was mildly interested in the e-mails and calls, but figured it was either a hoax or someone who might be troubled. Hence I ignored the e-mails for a good bit of time.
After a while — and after some persistence by the e-mailer — the temptation got too big and I finally bit and e-mailed the e-mailer to call me. He did... many, many, many times. You have no idea how many calls I received from him... and of course the others he asked to call me. Yes, my voice mail is now full. The calls all set forth an unusual requirement with which I had to comply before the fugitive Darren Mack would talk to me. With all the unusual calls, as well as unusual requirements I had to meet, I then figured that this was not legitimate and ignored it. I had no way of knowing for sure... and why would fugitive Mack contact someone to contact me? And why the odd requirements? So, I ignored it all and figured this was the end of story... sort of.
About two hours before our show last night I got a voicemail from someone claiming to be from the Reno Police Department. I returned that call and spoke to the detective who had placed the call. The detective told me that she heard that Mack was trying to reach me. How did she hear this? I said I did not believe it to be true that he wanted to reach me. The detective seemed to have a different opinion — she did not have all the calls I had! The detective asked me to call her if I heard from the fugitive Mack.
Bottom line: This is just an example where we sometimes get lured into a wild goose chase. We can't ignore what purports to be tips, but we can get some bum tips. I spent way too much time on this matter last night... and it all led exactly nowhere. Of course you heard nothing about this once the show started since it was, as noted, a wild goose chase.
And here is an update on the Darren Mack case: This note appeared in our FOX News internal computer/communication system this morning:
The FBI attache in Mexico City tells FOX News that Darren Mack has been arrested. He gave himself up to Mexican immigration officials early this morning (just after midnight). He is in custody in Puerto Vallarta and is waiting for a plane to take him back to the United States.
Surrendered in "hotel" in PV - not in US consulate. May mean DP is off the table.
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" ... Today: June 23, 2006 at 8:56:25 PDT
Nevada fugitive caught in Mexico
By SANDRA CHEREB
ASSOCIATED PRESS
RENO, Nev. (AP) - A former pawn shop owner wanted in the slaying of his estranged wife and the shooting of the judge handling their divorce was arrested in Mexico, authorities said Friday.
Darren Mack, 45, surrendered at a hotel in the Pacific coast resort city of Puerto Vallarta on Thursday night, authorities said.
"Mack is now in custody of FBI agents and Mexican immigration authorities," FBI spokesman David Staretz in Las Vegas said. "He will be escorted back to Nevada later today."
Mack is charged with the murder of his estranged wife, Charla Mack, whose body was found in a pool of blood in his town house garage June 12, hours after Judge Chuck Weller was shot in the chest while standing by the window of his courthouse office. No charge has been filed yet in the attack on Weller, who survived.
Mack's Reno attorney, Scott Freeman, issued a brief statement Friday, saying he and co-counsel David Chesnoff of Las Vegas are "eager" to begin a defense.
"Mr. Mack had options available to him to fight extradition through a lawful court process in Mexico which would have been a benefit to him," Freeman told The Associated Press. "Instead he chose to voluntarily surrender.
"He did so to be with his family, his children and to defend himself."
On Thursday, authorities said Mack was believed to be on Mexico's west coast and had been spotted previously in Baja California. He had arranged to surrender Thursday morning at the U.S. consulate in Puerto Vallarta, but never showed up.
Reno police, who planned a 10:15 a.m. news conference on the case, said the arrest came after cooperation between the FBI and Mexican authorities.
"The arrest of accused killer Darren Roy Mack proves that criminals cannot find a safe haven on either side of the border," Tony Garza, the U.S. ambassador to Mexico, said in a statement released by the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City.
Mack contacted Washoe County District Attorney Dick Gammick earlier this week and "expressed a desire to surrender," Police Chief Michael Poehlman said at a news conference Thursday.
Gammick said that Mack sounded "concerned" and that he thought Mack was being "pretty straight up" when arranging the plan.
In addition to charging Mack with the murder of his estranged wife, Poehlman said police have probable cause to charge him with attempted murder in the sniper attack on Weller.
Gammick said he's talked with Mack, who he has known for 20 years, by phone about a dozen times over the past four days. They've also communicated by e-mail.
"He did express to me that he called me because I'm the only one he trusts in the system," Gammick said.
Gammick on Thursday also said that Mack has contacted his Reno lawyer, Scott Freeman, but he wouldn't provide details. Freeman was unavailable for comment, his secretary said.
Gammick said there's no evidence anyone else was involved in the stabbing of Charla Mack or the shooting of Weller, but authorities don't know if he had help fleeing the country.
Charla Mack's mother, Soorya Townley, and brother, Christopher Broughton, planned a Friday afternoon press conference in Reno.
Poehlman said police had a "credible" sighting of Mack at a resort swimming pool in Cabo San Lucas on June 15. He's believed to have been in La Paz on the Baja Peninsula two days later and on Mexico's west coast around Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta earlier this week.
"Our belief is he has a large sum of cash with him," Poehlman said.
Mack was a co-owner of Palace Jewelry & Loan Co. Inc., a pawn shop, until he turned over control in 2005 to his mother, a lawyer for the business said. Mack earned more than $500,000 a year and had a net worth of $9.4 million as recently as 2004, according to court documents.
The FBI added Mack to its list of "Most Wanted" fugitives Tuesday, the same day Charla Mack, 39, was buried. He was considered armed and dangerous, "with access to all types of weapons," FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III said.
A search warrant affidavit said officers found several boxes of ammunition and an empty gun case with a receipt for a Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle equipped with a laser sighting device at Mack's town house, where Charla Mack's body was found in the garage in a pool of blood in the hours after Weller was shot.
Weller was hit in the chest from three football fields away while standing next to the window in his third-floor office at the Washoe County courthouse complex. He was released from the hospital last week and is recovering at an undisclosed location under guard. ..."
Interesting info included in a Montana local version of the AP story:
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" ... His wife, Charla Sampsel Mack, is formally from Missoula. She graduated Big Sky High School in 1984,and came back to Missoula two years ago for her 20 year class reunion.
She owned a jewelry store in Carson City, Nevada and was starting a singing career in Nashville before her death. .."
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>>>First I've heard of the singing career and a possible move to Nashville.
Ha! I guess Darren has just been nabbed! I feel as strongly about this guy as I did with Scott Peterson. Let's see how this plays out and hopefully there won't be any "mad dads" in the jury.
Good news - the DP is still on the table!
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http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/3217951.html
" ...
Latest on Mack Capture
Manhunt is Over
STAFF
Friday morning Reno Police announced that Darren Mack has turned himself in to FBI agents and Mexican authorities, in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Authorities took custody of Mack around 10:30PM Thursday night, at a hotel.
Mack was flown back to the United States, to Dallas, early Friday. He will then need to be extradited from Texas, to Nevada. Reno Police tell Newschannel 8 that there are no immediate plans to return Mack to Reno on Friday, but that he could be brought back as early as late Friday. Reno Police detectives flew to Dallas on Friday to interview Mack, and take him into custody.
Washoe Count District Attorney Dick Gammick told Newschannel 8 that the death penalty has not been ruled out, and that no agreement is in place with Mack's lawyers to set that sentence aside.
Gammick also stated that his twenty year relationship with Mack would be no factor in his office prosecuting the case, but that another attorney had been assigned to actually taking Mack to court. ..."
From a Reno PD news release:
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" ... The investigation also developed information that Mack had been traveling by bus resulting in surveillance of bus stations and travel checkpoints being established by Mexican authorities in the Puerto Vallarta area. ..."
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>>>Ha, what a high-roller! Traveling by BUS in Mexico. No wonder he surrendered!
Dear Rt66:
I picked up a terrible computer virus yesterday (no doubt from Marcy’s myspace page, LOL, geez, what a fine role model for her child, eh? And at 37 yrs of age, my Lord.). I ran the anti-whatever software, but I’m still experiencing glitches. I tried to post last night but somewhere in another universe the aliens are laughing. Below is what I saved with additions:
Thank you so much for your response. This conversation has been haunting me. The only other excuse for the conversation would be that LE could have been listening in, hoping for DM or a tipster to call. If that's true, at least there’s a very calm, informational conversation of domestic abuse in general about browbeating, control and winning at all costs, etc, recorded. Perhaps, Joan had an axe over his head. Money, money, money. She reminds me of a “Jackie Peterson.” I’m sure Joan won’t miss a day in court.
The person I spoke with sounded very soft spoken and I believed I was speaking to a very young person. Let me tell you that my mother is 70 and sounds 16 yrs old on her voicemail. When I found out it could have been Jan, and only by scrolling further down the web page, I was even more puzzled over the age of the man I may have spoken with. Imagine my shock when I found out Jan was indeed Charla’s father!
One thing I will tell you, if I ever hear that voice again, I will recognize it. Perhaps, that is why Jan will not speak with the media. Just a thought… he may have said many things to a lot of people. I am not saying it was him, but will repeat: I WILL know the voice if I hear it again.
Who was first in Reno? Charla or Jan? Who met Darren first?
I am so happy DM is in custody now. I felt it last night, just a calm feeling came over me. I just saw him on the news coming from the airport and he didn’t look like he was having too much fun.
Thanks again, I love reading Leila’s and your posts. Courttv.com also has great posts! You both are probably there as well under different screen names, lol.
Rox
She is; I'm not. I can't answer the question of who was in Reno first among the Sampsel family, but my hunch is that it was Charla.
I don't think Jan has been there for 11 years like Charla has, but I could be very wrong about that. I've done more sleuthing on the Macks than Charla's family, since she's the victim and he was the fugitive.
I wasn't surprised that Darren Mack was apprehended/surrendered yesterday. After the events of the day before when it was revealed that Mack had been in contact with the authorities trying to negotiate a surrender, I felt it was only a matter of time before he was in custody.
According to the Reno Gazette-Journal, he's now been transferred to the Reno jail and will make a first court appearance sometime early next week.
What really surprised me was the press conference given by Charla's brother, Christopher Broughton, who is now designated the family spokesman. I listened to it twice, and there was a lot of anger in his voice, as it should be. After all, his sister was brutally murdered. I was surprised at his youth, as I thought Charla was younger than Christopher. He announced that his mother is moving to Reno, and said that he is considering the possibility of moving there too.
I wonder if Charla's mother is planning on challanging the custody of her granddaughter, Erika? When reporters asked if they were comfortable with the current custody arrangement, Christopher said "no comment."
I only loosely followed the Scott and Laci Peterson murder-trial. I was aware that as soon as Scott Peterson was considered the prime suspect in Laci's murder, the relationship between Scott's family and Laci's family began to deteriorate.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the relationship between the Macks and Charla's family sour as this case goes forward. I think Darren Mack and his family will try to blame Charla for all the problems in the marriage/divorce and it may get ugly. Unfortunately, Erika will be the one most hurt by all of this.
One thing I noted in Christopher Broughton's comments yesterday is that Charla has two brothers, and that Christopher is the youngest. The other brother hasn't been mentioned before. He wasn't listed as one of those who attended Charla's funeral. I wonder who he might be?
No, I wasn't surprised he was caught, either. Er, "surrendered" is how it will be portrayed, as if he were doing everyone a favor. He was, in a perverse sort of way - but if he'd never done what he did in the first place, it wouldn't have been necessary!
I did stay up for the announcement that he was back in Reno (his lawyer said on Nancy Grace's show that he had to leave to get to the airport to meet a "client," lol) and to see the perp walk, if possible. I *did* get that! Just couldn't see the cuffs up close, drat!
I wish I could've heard the press conference by Charla's mom and brother, to hear more details. I've just seen clips and have read only a few sentences from it. My puter I'm using now doesn't run video, so I can't review it.
I have no idea who another brother could be, so I can't help. I'm just scratching my head over the whole "missing father" thing! He's right there, in Reno, and working in the business - and he doesn't speak out? I'm just totally puzzled by this - and by no one else even bringing it up in the media or asking about it or even mentioning it. It just doesn't make sense.
See, I was thinking that another brother might be the father's other children - but there are two. I have to check my notes to see if there is one son and one daughter. But they wouldn't be related to Chris at all. BTW, I believe he (Chris) lives in Santa Cruz, or if not now, has most recently. I haven't checked any further on that - was trying to determine if his father's name is what I think it is. Can't find the connection to Soorya/Linda, though.
Chris has been listed as living in Reno and Sparks, at one time or another, so he's no stranger to the area. I just couldn't find him ever living in MT, so have more to sleuth when I can. I don't have anything else nailed down.
Yes, I think it's going to get contentious, too. I did follow the Laci Peterson case very closely and yeah, it was not in her mother Sharon's nature to suspect Scott at first and certainly not to have ill feelings towards his family. As soon as the mistress came forward, things started to change. It took Sharon a long time and it was very difficult for her when it all happened. Scott's mother is *something else.* If we see a similar personality in this case, we can almost predict how that's going to go.
I'm already uncomfortable with Erika's custody attangement, but no one asked me, lol! I do think it will get really ugly, with Darren and mom in cahoots. The unknown is the brother - he seems to be attached to mom during all this, but may not be Darren's best pal, since he wasn't included in business things. I don't know. Will be interesting to watch.
Oh - about Osborne's dog. I had read that it is a mastiff and gathered some info on the breed. I will post more later, but what I researched made me very surprised that the dog didn't attack Darren in the garage or try to stop the murder. That makes me think Darren opened the garage door (maybe a small one in back, not the big, electric two-car one) and let that dog in afterwards, for some reason. Like maybe to try to blame the killing on the dog?
More later ... got a lot to read and do!
Scott Peterson was one case I watched very closely.
My ex punched me in the face. He was extremely good looking and definitely a quality citizen in everyone else's eyes. When I called 911, I had no idea he was screaming in the background of how he was going to kill me. I guess I had grown numb to that. When the cops came over, I felt that they didn't really want to bring him in, it felt like a "good ol' boy club." They only arrested him because of the tape. As they put him in the squad car, one deputy commented, "Yes, you DO have a scratch." We know what defense Mack and circus will bully through, nothing new or creative.
A few months later, my father said, "My, that Scott Peterson guy reminds me alot of ****." I was so not seeing it. They were both good looking or whatever, and then it all "clicked." Yes, the attitude.
There are times I wish I could have my rose colored glasses back. That's not going to happen. Once you are intimate with people this evil (ex, his horrible family and friends), it is a forever life changing experience. For too many, they don't make it out alive.
I found it interesting that Darren Mack could not REMEMBER to mention any one of his children in his many contacts for his return. He only asked about his mother and brother. His behavior shows exactly what these people are all about. Child custody battles, because he's such a caring father; I would laugh if it were not so sad.
There's something interesting on the courttv.com board about both, Darren and Charla being involved with Landmark Education (remember the post on "TooMuchFun?") The poster, on the courttv board mentioned that anything to do with Charla and their "cult" seems to be disappearing. Supposedly, if you "google" there's still a lot of information and google caches of what has been erased. Here's a story from a parallel group, Lifespring, a story from 1994. It's long, so make some popcorn. It's easy to see how they end up in a swinging lifestyle.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/lifespring/
pring3.html
Okay, let's try this again. Otherwise, just copy and paste. It's worth the read.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/lifespring/lifespring3.html
Oh, yeah, I've read a lot of that before for other cases - and know my own experiences with friends in est, The Forum and Landmark, but not in recent years. I am paying attention to it all, to notice the "flags." Be sure to see what Greta VS ends up saying about it all, if anything.
I hate that you went through all that - I've helped many friends through the same kinds of situations, and had a few of my own with similarities, so Scott P and Darren M are not totally unfamiliar to me, lol. What was that theme song on the old "Roseanne" show? "What doesn't kill us is making us stronger ..."
I've done a bit of research and found that there's a Christopher Nicholas Broughton, age 63, living in Santa Cruz. He's lived in the following places:
4 addresses in Nevada City, CA.
3 addresses in Santa Cruz, CA.
1 address in Sherman Oaks, CA.
3 addresses in Washington, D.C.
2 addresses in Princton, N.J.
2 addresses in Sparks, NV
There's also a Christopher N. Broughton, age 31, in Santa Cruz. This could be Charla's brother, Christopher. If Christopher is 30 or 31 years old, there's 8 or 9 years between Charla and Christopher. So, perhaps the other brother is in between them?
I also located the marriage record for the Sampsels. Jan Keith Sampsel to Linda Darlene Coles - December 19, 1965 in Las Vegas.
One of the subscription services has a marriage record for a Christopher N. Broughton in NV, but there's a fee to view the record. Las Vegas records are online, but not Reno, so it's likely this is a Reno record as I didn't find anything in Las Vegas.
I'm very curious about the other brother. He could be a Sampsel or a Broughton. I'm wondering why the other brother hasn't been mentioned in any of the reports and why he apparantly didn't attend Charla's funeral?
Of course the fact that Charla's father lives right there in Reno and works for the Mack family, and has never been mentioned or interviewed is a mystery! The news media has steered clear of any mention of him, so there must be a reason.
Another thing that I noted in regards to the press conference that Charla's family gave yesterday. Christopher Broughton made a statement and then said he would take questions. His mother, Soorya/Linda was standing to his right and didn't say anything during the conference. Someone asked his age, and he said "30." Someone else asked his occupation, and at that point, he looked at his mother and she looked at him, and both sort of giggled as if they were sharing a private joke, and he stated something to the effect that he declined to state his occupation. I thought this was strange. Why would he decline to state his occupation and why did he and his mother find that question humorous? The only thing I can think of is that Christopher's occupation might be pertinent to the case - he might be an attorney or in law enforcement.
To the question asking if they were comfortable with the current custody of Erika, he said, "no comment." Some other questions received an answer of "it's not appropriate that I answer that question."
I'm hoping that law enforcement can find the silver Ford Explorer soon, as it may hold a lot of evidence.
Before I get back to this thread - the age was wrong on the first listing you had for Christopher N. He is the 30-yo or 31-yo - his father is 63 and that is not his name.
Those databases often get that part of the info wrong, sometimes *way* wrong, so you have to try to get 3 confirmations from different places before you go by it. It's not always possible, but those lists are drawn from things like magazine subscriptions, in addition to official records and documents. If he lived at home any time as an adult, they often commingle the parent's age and addresses with the offspring's.
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