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The Second Fall of Rome? (A bit sensationalized, but a good read)
FaithFreedom.org ^ | 7/13/2006 | Fjordman / Multiple Authors

Posted on 06/13/2006 12:55:08 PM PDT by The Blitherer

The Second Fall of Rome?

Beware: the new goths are coming

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2220267_1,00.html

ONE of Britain's most senior military strategists has warned that western civilisation faces a threat on a par with the barbarian invasions that destroyed the Roman empire. In an apocalyptic vision of security dangers, Rear Admiral Chris Parry said future migrations would be comparable to the Goths and Vandals while north African "barbary" pirates could be attacking yachts and beaches in the Mediterranean within 10 years. Europe, including Britain, could be undermined by large immigrant groups with little allegiance to their host countries — a "reverse colonisation" as Parry described it.

The result for Britain and Europe, Parry warned, could be "like the 5th century Roman empire facing the Goths and the Vandals". Parry pointed to the mass migration which disaster in the Third World could unleash. "The diaspora issue is one of my biggest current concerns," he said. "Globalisation makes assimilation seem redundant and old-fashioned . . . [the process] acts as a sort of reverse colonisation, where groups of people are self-contained, going back and forth between their countries, exploiting sophisticated networks and using instant communication on phones and the internet." Third World instability would lick at the edges of the West as pirates attacked holidaymakers from fast boats. "At some time in the next 10 years it may not be safe to sail a yacht between Gibraltar and Malta," said the admiral. He pinpoints 2012 to 2018 as the time when the current global power structure is likely to crumble. Rising nations such as China, India, Brazil and Iran will challenge America's sole superpower status. This will come as "irregular activity" such as terrorism, organised crime and "white companies" of mercenaries burgeon in lawless areas. The effects will be magnified as borders become more porous and some areas sink beyond effective government control.

It's interesting, although not exactly encouraging, that leading Western military strategists agree with Fjordman:

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/11/second-fall-of-rome.html

The Second Fall of Rome

The Jihad-riots in France look more like the fall of the Roman Empire several centuries later, when the barbarians immigrated in huge numbers and caused the now weakened civilization to collapse in large parts of Western Europe. The population movements we are witnessing now are the largest and fastest in human history. In Europe, they can only be compared to the period often referred to as the Great Migrations, following the disintegration of the Roman Empire. However, during the 4th and 5th centuries, the total human population of the world was in the order of 200 million. Today, it is 30 times larger than that, and still growing fast. We also have communications that can transport people anywhere on earth within hours, and media that show ordinary people how much better life is in other countries. On top of that, the Romans didn't have human rights lawyers advocating that millions of barbarians be let into their lands. Is it a coincidence that the last time we had migrations like this was when large parts of the European continent suffered a complete civilizational breakdown? Is that what we are witnessing now? The second fall of Rome?

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/989

If Muslim immigration continues, the impending fall of France could mark the starting point of the Balkanization of much of Europe, perhaps later even North America. I fear this is a world war. Maybe future historians will dub it the Multicultural World War. Just as WW1 was caused by Imperialism, WW2 by Fascism and the Cold War by Communism, this one will be caused by Multiculturalism. The term "the Multicultural World War" has been coined by Fjordman. I find this to be more accurate than "The Islamic World War" because what will cause this world war is Western cultural weakness, through Multiculturalism and Muslim immigration, rather than Islamic strength. As poster DP111 says, this world war may very well be in the form of a global civil war, where you get a succession of civil wars instead of countries invading other countries. Multiculturalism and uncontrolled mass-immigration destroy the internal cohesion of the decadent West, which will slowly fall apart as it has lost the will to defend itself and the belief in its own culture. The wars in the Balkans in the 1990s will in hindsight be seen as a prelude to the Multicultural World War. Rather than a Westernization of the Balkans, we get a Balkanization of the West.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1101

Given the tensions we are now seeing caused by Multiculturalism and massive immigration, the next major war in Europe could well be triggered in part due to aggressive anti-nationalism, not aggressive nationalism. The downfall of the nation state, if it happens, will not bring us into a brave new world of global peace and brotherhood or the Age of Aquarius. It will be chaotic, painful and quite possibly bloody. More a throwback to the Middle Ages, the period before the rise of the nation states, complete with feudalism and tribalism, Muslim raids and people retreating into their own little fortresses while a few islands of sanity, similar to the monasteries a thousand years ago, will try to keep something of our cultural heritage alive.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: christianity; fallofrome; godsgravesglyphs; immigration; islam; middleeast; romanempire; westerncivilization
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Though perhaps a bit alarmist, I found this article very informative.
1 posted on 06/13/2006 12:55:12 PM PDT by The Blitherer
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To: The Blitherer

I think it is getting out there.


2 posted on 06/13/2006 12:58:32 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: The Blitherer

we know that some of the greatest civilizations fell to multiculturalism.. they fewll apart from within. a culture can only absoorb so much before it loses its identity.


3 posted on 06/13/2006 12:59:27 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Cinnamon

Rising nations such as China, India, Brazil and Iran will challenge America's sole superpower status.

Brazil?


4 posted on 06/13/2006 1:06:23 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: The Blitherer

The Barbarians are at the gates.


5 posted on 06/13/2006 1:08:32 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Warthogtjm

Migration is definately going on all over the world. Fortunately, we are producing reverse migration in Afghanistan and Iraq.


6 posted on 06/13/2006 1:22:24 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: The Blitherer
Interestingly this website FaithFreedom.org is blocked on US Army computers as 'Hate Speech'. PC amok.
7 posted on 06/13/2006 1:37:03 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: The Blitherer

I don't mind the Goths so much. It's the Visigoths and the Vandals I'm afraid of.


8 posted on 06/13/2006 1:39:18 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: ClaireSolt
Fortunately, we are producing reverse migration in Afghanistan and Iraq."""

No we're not. I don't know anybody who is planning to leave the US and go live in either country. We've got some military troops on the ground, but that's hardly a "migration." The natives are still in control in both countries.

9 posted on 06/13/2006 1:41:05 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: ClaireSolt
Migration is definately going on all over the world. """

Not in Mexico. They kick you out if you cross their border illegally. In contrast, George Bush has said, through his policies about immigrants, bring em on! So migration is happening in US, but not "all over the world."

10 posted on 06/13/2006 1:43:09 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: The Blitherer; All
I have been psuedo-blogging these issues for years, and I believe we are in the opening stages of World War Four, and that the barbarians are already inside the gates.

As my old pal from long vanished, long dead other forums, ALOHA RONNIE likes to say

NEVER FORGET

that this

Terror Strike Toronto ( Aborted! )-- Click the picture:

is a subset of this:

Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:

And then, there is this little problem:

"Thunder on the Border," click the picture:





What is happening under the radar is that the alien lobby, certain elements of radical Islam, and some on the Left share common goals, tactics, and exploitations of our system and society.

Work backwards on my links to see all the shady left-wing and terrorist-enabling organizations backing this rubbish.

11 posted on 06/13/2006 1:45:20 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: The Blitherer
More a throwback to the Middle Ages, the period before the rise of the nation states, complete with feudalism and tribalism, Muslim raids and people retreating into their own little fortresses while a few islands of sanity, similar to the monasteries a thousand years ago, will try to keep something of our cultural heritage alive.

This is exactly what it would be. It's hard to imagine that it could happen, but I do think it's possible, alas.

12 posted on 06/13/2006 1:47:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Free Republic is such a fortress/monastery.


13 posted on 06/13/2006 1:55:29 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Join me! Every night I pray for Global Warming . (And I think it's beginning to work.))
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To: Former Proud Canadian

You're afraid of Visigoths? You haven't BEEN afraid until you've gone up against an Ostrogoth. They eat Visigoths for breakfast!


14 posted on 06/13/2006 1:56:46 PM PDT by j.havenfarm (Issuing my fatwas from the holy city of Auburn, California.)
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To: The Blitherer

Yeah, we all know we're in deep s**t now but when are we going to do something about it?


15 posted on 06/13/2006 1:59:29 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Try to get a fresh tagline, look in the back.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I never liked the Ostrogoths. Auslanders.


16 posted on 06/13/2006 2:00:28 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: The Blitherer

I'm an American in a German-language school for the summer in Germany. It's been fascinating for me to see some of Europe's Muslims first hand. Probably 1/3 of the school are Middle-Eastern--Westernized in dress and other things, but also, not Westernized. About 1/3 are American or Canadian (actually hard to tell the difference, eh) and 1/3 miscellaneous Asian. Of the Arabs, these guys (almost all guys) stick together like glue, talk only in their own languages, and of the cultural events offered by the study center (an we are in a VERY cultured city)...seem to have absolutely no interest. They are ENTIRELY different than Europeans.

It seems only American and Canadians seem interested in what most involves the Germans here, the highlights of their culture, music, architecture and the arts... Not to be racist in generalizing, but almost all those of color seem to show no interest in things German other than learning the language (for business or school). It is very revealing.

I really hate to think what will happen to the treasures of Europe--it's art, architecture, music, choirs, churches, etc, if/when Muslims make up a majority here. It really is pretty scary. Yet Germans are so afraid of being racist...the general attitude is, "isn't all this multi-culturalism wonderful!" It is a strange situation, but, I wonder if the General in this article is right...you can't have one people with two sets of values. The minorities in Europe now could care less for the things here that made Western Civilization great...

And remember fellow Americans, yes, our ancestors left, but it was the attitudes, religion and culture they brought from old Europe that helped establish America and make her great.

If Europe falls, we won't be far behind.


17 posted on 06/13/2006 2:02:38 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Rome may fall again...)
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To: AnalogReigns

Thank you. Its always very interesting to hear from somebody with first-hand experience. People can have statistics and charts, but its not the same as seeing it for yourself.


18 posted on 06/13/2006 2:08:44 PM PDT by The Blitherer ("These are not dark days, these are great days." W. S. Churchill)
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To: The Blitherer

All these comparisons to ancient Rome ignore a few realities. The Roman Empire thrived when it assimilated the peoples of conquered territories. Those who served the army for a specified period of time became Roman citizens. Many Imperial generals were not Italian. The Emperors Trajan, Hadrian, and Flavius Theodosius was born in Spain (though some were from families originally from Italy) and Constantine was born in Serbia.

The real troubles with foreigners coming into the Empire began with the treatment of the Goths, who were fleeing the Huns and pushing to move West. They were mistreated by by the Emperor, and shunned by Roman society. Instead of assimilating them, the Romans bred an enemy within their own ranks.

As much a factor in Rome's decline was their own internal decay and infighting. Finally, the Eastern Roman Empire survived another thousand years after the fall of Rome, and the peoples of the West, even the Germanic tribes, tried to live as Romans, or revive the Roman Empire in different forms for hundreds of years to come.


19 posted on 06/13/2006 2:11:09 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
All these comparisons to ancient Rome ignore a few realities...

A few??

20 posted on 06/13/2006 2:53:58 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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