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Congress to hold hearings into OKC bombing
World Net Daily ^ | 6-9-06 | J.D. Cash and Roger Charles

Posted on 06/14/2006 4:34:48 AM PDT by Renfield

In what some on Capitol Hill are calling a surprising decision, Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., has given the nod for hearings into the long-debated question of whether those responsible for the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building had help from any foreign source.

Spurred to action by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., Hyde has given Rohrabacher's Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the House International Relations Committee the wide-ranging authority to conduct interviews and subpoena documents related to the April 19, 1995, terrorist attack that left 168 dead, 19 of them children.

Interviewed Wednesday, Rohrabacher confirmed that his nearly two-year-long personal investigation into the Oklahoma City tragedy had finally received the necessary support for an official congressional investigation.

"Congressman Hyde has approved my request for hearings into the OKC bombing. The congressional investigation will be limited to our area of focus, which is whether there was a foreign connection to the conspiracy," Rohrabacher explained.

"I think we know what we're looking for and I expect complete cooperation from the witnesses we call and the agencies we look to for documents."

Rohrabacher then emphasized his office would keep the public informed about the level of cooperation his subcommittee receives during the official phase of the investigation.

"I must be able to assure the families of the victims of this horrible crime that their government cooperated with our investigation," the congressman said. "That is very important to our oversight responsibilities."

Arab terrorist link?

Forecasting the areas of particular interest the congressional investigation could take, Rohrabacher promised to look carefully for any evidence linking the cabal to Arab terrorists and or to a German national in this country illegally in 1995, Andreas Carl Strassmeir.

In his letter seeking authority for hearings, Rohrabacher wrote: "It is highly likely that the Arab connection and/or the Strassmeir connection played a significant role in the planning and execution of the murderous bombing of the OKC federal building. In both possible scenarios, the official investigation fell short and further investigation has been discouraged ever since."

Specifically, Rohrabacher said that Terry Nichols' trips to the Philippines would be examined for links to a theory that he was actually meeting with Middle East radicals who were providing him with support.

"I also will call witnesses who say they saw (convicted conspirator Timothy) McVeigh with Arabs in Oklahoma City," he told this newspaper.

Elohim City connection

Rohrabacher also noted that much of the investigation would focus on a spate of documents recently unearthed during a Freedom of Information lawsuit in Salt Lake City, Utah.

While attempting to piece together evidence in the mysterious death of his inmate-brother in August of 1995 at the Oklahoma City Federal Transfer Center, attorney Jesse Trentadue has sued the Oklahoma City FBI office for documents that might shed light on the inmate's bizarre demise while locked up in a suicide-proof cell.

While the documents obtained in the suit have been heavily redacted, they do appear to link Strassmeir to a foiled "sting operation" involving the federal government, McVeigh, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy.

In possession of those documents as well, Rohrabacher said he and his staff are convinced there are important facts about the bombing hidden under by the FBI's redactions and he wants un-redacted copies for his staff to examine.

Among the witnesses the committee intends to call is Danny Coulson.

Coulson was one of five FBI commanders assigned the original investigation into the bombing. Only a few weeks into the case, though, all five suddenly were removed to make room for Danny Defenbaugh.

Still harboring doubts about the FBI's official version of the bombing case, that only McVeigh and Nichols were largely responsible for the crime, Coulson said today, "I'm very much in favor of this investigation by Congress. We need to look very closely at why the five FBI commanders originally assigned the case were pulled off."

"The FBI needs to answer to the Congress why they shut down their own investigation into Strassmeir and Elohim City. Why did their total investigation into Strasssmeir consist of two ASUSAs (assistant United States Attorneys) calling Strassmeir's flat in Berlin a couple of times? He never should have been allowed to leave here without a more thorough series of interviews, face-to-face, by FBI agents trained in those skills."

Long a subject of interest by this paper, Strassmeir's name only began to circulate in the media months after the bombing, when this newspaper discovered that he was the person McVeigh was calling at a terrorist training camp in eastern Oklahoma, called Elohim City.

Months later, the newspaper reported the former German military officer was being closely monitored by the Tulsa office of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Only weeks before the bombing, the BATF had learned Strassmeir was working with others on a plot to bomb a federal building in Oklahoma City. However, the FBI stepped in to thwart his arrest when the BATF sought an arrest warrant from the Tulsa U.S. attorney's office.

Several months ago a judge in Salt Lake City ordered the FBI to turn over to Trentadue documents indicating there were informants at Elohim City at the time of the bombing that worked for a private charity – the Southern Poverty Law Center, or SPLC.

According to those teletypes, SPLC informants were present at Elohim City April 17 when McVeigh contacted the compound, looking for additional help in the bomb plot.

However, the FBI blacked out much of the person's name with whom then-FBI Director Louis Freeh said McVeigh was closely associated. In the past, the FBI vehemently has denied McVeigh had any close associates at the camp.

Strassmeir was the compound's paramilitary instructor from 1993 until August of 1995.

Since the bombing, over a half-dozen of Strassmeir's associates at Elohim City have gone to prison for bank robbery, conspiracy to overthrow the government and murder. None, however, were ever charged in the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.

Strassmeir left the United States in early 1996. In one of the teletypes issued by Freeh, the director appeared to know where Strassmeir was staying in the U.S. and of plans Strassmeir was making to return to Germany through Mexico.

Days after Freeh's memo was issued, Strassmeir did indeed cross the Mexican border and make his way to Berlin with the assistance of former CIA pilot Dave Holloway.

Neither Holloway nor his associate, attorney Kirk Lyons of North Carolina – who paid for the pair's trip – were ever charged with aiding Strassmeir's flight. At the time of Strassmeir's escape, he was listed as an illegal overstay by the INS and wanted by the ATF for illegally carrying a firearm in the U.S.

Believing him to be "armed and dangerous" at the time, the OKBOMB task force even contacted the INS and asked that Strassmeir be stopped at the border and held for questioning in the bombing case. This was the same week Freeh told several offices Strassmeir was staying in North Carolina with Lyons.

Safely back in Germany for many weeks, it was only after Strassmeir's name was linked to McVeigh by this newspaper and others that two Justice Department lawyers in Denver called Strassmeir in Berlin, twice, to ask about any contacts he may have had with McVeigh and the bombing.

During those brief interviews, Strassmeir admitted over the phone that he may have met McVeigh at a gun show in Tulsa once, but he also assured prosecutors he did not help with the bomb plot.

In the wake of the tragedy, the FBI had available several well-qualified commanders with extensive experience in major case investigations to lead and complete the investigation.

However, a man with much less investigative experience, Danny Defenbaugh, replaced the original five experienced FBI commanders who initially had been assigned to the case.

With the original five commanders off the OKBOMB case, considerable criticism has since been leveled at the job Defenbaugh did while heading up the FBI's most expensive investigation in U.S. history.

In spite of two dozen eyewitnesses that placed McVeigh with others in downtown Oklahoma City that day and $85 million that was spent putting together a case that sent two men to jail and one to the death chamber, only McVeigh and army buddy Terry Nichols were charged. Also imprisoned, Michael Fortier admitted his involvement in the conspiracy and agreed to cooperate with the FBI in return for a lighter sentence.

Jurors in both cases in Denver, plus a grand jury in Oklahoma City, said they doubted the FBI had gotten everyone involved.

In 2001, more than 4,000 pages of FBI interviews and other evidence never shown the defense teams for McVeigh or Nichols were discovered on the eve of McVeigh's execution.

The discovery caused McVeigh's execution to be put on hold and the fiasco quickly led to the sudden resignation of Defenbaugh.

Beyond a congressional investigation, Coulson believes the magnitude of the tragic attack that left 168 dead and 500 injured also warrants the appointment of an experienced federal prosecutor to look into all of the evidence and the use of a federal grand jury to facilitate the investigation.

"Based upon my investigation following the bombing of the Murrah building on April 19, 1995, and these new documents from the FBI turned up in the Utah case, it's clear to me further investigation is required," he said.

Referring to the documents uncovered during the FOIA lawsuit and the large number of witnesses the FBI interviewed after the bombing that placed McVeigh in the company of others at key points in the conspiracy, Coulson observed, "The totality of this information very strongly indicates there are others involved and not charged who were involved at least in conspiratorial acts.

"Families of victims and the American people deserve answers to


TOPICS: Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 109th; bombing; conspiracy; fbi; hearings; iraq; mcveigh; okcbombing; oklahoma; strassmeier
The FBI has been trying to hide something for a long time here. Ambrose-Evans Pritchard, in his outstanding book "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton", hinted that the Oklahoma City bombing happened as a result of an FBI sting operation gone horribly wrong. He makes a compelling argument.
1 posted on 06/14/2006 4:34:51 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

John Doe #2. The FBI is hiding a bunch of evidence, IMO, on Klintoon's and Reno's orders.

This'll go nowhere, again. Another waste of US Taxpayers' monies.

(((sigh)))


2 posted on 06/14/2006 4:37:10 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: Renfield
Ambrose-Evans Pritchard, in his outstanding book "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton", hinted that the Oklahoma City bombing happened as a result of an FBI sting operation gone horribly wrong

Well maybe not... Knowing how evil the Clinton crowd is, maybe the sting went as planned, 'kaboom' and all.

3 posted on 06/14/2006 4:40:14 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Renfield
Elohim City connection

Agent Provocateur[s]...

4 posted on 06/14/2006 4:40:42 AM PDT by BikerGold (Reliously Uncoooorrrrect...Reliously UUUUUUncorrect)
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To: Renfield

Paging Micael Rivera


5 posted on 06/14/2006 4:40:46 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Renfield

IT'S ABOUT F*CKING TIME!!!!


6 posted on 06/14/2006 4:43:03 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Renfield
Jayna Davis isn't too keen on Rohrabacher's hearing. Is he going to let any of her witnesses appear?
7 posted on 06/14/2006 4:44:21 AM PDT by Nephi (Open borders is the other side of the globalist free trade coin. George W. Nixon is a globalist.)
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To: Renfield; Vaquero

Don't get your hopes up. The last I saw, Jayna Davis says this is another whitewash, going nowhere.


8 posted on 06/14/2006 4:44:37 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Renfield

Now the Gov't. has to keep the Klintoon cronies from visiting the National Archives until this is over.
Still, I have little hope that we will ever know the truth.


9 posted on 06/14/2006 4:44:56 AM PDT by Roccus (Cynical romantic or romantic cynic.....you decide.)
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To: Renfield

OKC ping


10 posted on 06/14/2006 5:05:27 AM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: ml/nj

PING


11 posted on 06/14/2006 5:11:20 AM PDT by upier ("Usted no es agradable en América" "Ahora deporte Illegals")
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To: Renfield

While the congresscritters are at it, they can also check out the Flight 800 shoot down and why the Clintoons covered that up.

Semper Fi,


12 posted on 06/14/2006 5:13:08 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Vaquero

This will be just as big of a pathetic whitewash as the last Waco hearings were.


13 posted on 06/14/2006 5:21:01 AM PDT by FNG
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To: Renfield; upier
The FBI has been trying to hide something for a long time here. Ambrose-Evans Pritchard, in his outstanding book "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton", hinted that the Oklahoma City bombing happened as a result of an FBI sting operation gone horribly wrong. He makes a compelling argument.

While I like the work AEP has done, I think he was taken in by government disinformation. He and Jayna Davis cannot both be right. It's a big clue that this great Congressional Investigation will not look into the evidence that Davis presents. Why not? If she's wrong, I'd like to know.

ML/NJ

14 posted on 06/14/2006 5:22:29 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: FNG

Between this and the recent search for Hoffa's remains, I'm not sure which is the bigger waste of time and money.


15 posted on 06/14/2006 5:22:44 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: Renfield

Is this Dave Holloway Natalie's dad?


16 posted on 06/14/2006 5:31:17 AM PDT by chgomac
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To: Renfield

The government sure didn't waste any time killing McVeigh; they wanted him out of the picture.

I would think they wouldn't want to get rid of the top perpetrator/witness until they were completely done with Nichols; couldn't Nichols say that executing McVeigh interfered with his defense?

There was something that McVeigh and the government knows that they don't want to get out.


17 posted on 06/14/2006 5:41:49 AM PDT by Diggler
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To: Vaquero
THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION,
The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
By David Hoffman,Sun Sep 14 12:10:57 1997


On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
Immediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?


MORE?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117579/posts
GORELICK GATE - various FR links




Consider: If Gorelick, Clarke and Clinton had been completely HONEST
to the American public about the Islamic-crashed airplanes, like TWA800, in the 90's
or the other Islamic terror attacks, then Americans WOULD have been on alert on 911
and would have had the opportunity to prevent the 911 Atrocities.


18 posted on 06/14/2006 6:05:20 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Renfield
I wonder if we will finally get to see, if not the actual video, the Secret Service log discussing the video of McVeigh and his companion(s) parking the truck and letting it detonate. I somehow or another doubt this will happen.

In either case, a big thanks to Jayna Davis for all her hard work in getting justice for the victims. It'll happen one day.
19 posted on 06/14/2006 6:12:29 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

There was quite an article someplace that the investigation was shut down by Gorelick herself. Maybe it's one of the noted sites in the preceeding post.


20 posted on 06/14/2006 6:19:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
There was quite an article someplace that the investigation was shut down by Gorelick herself.

I've heard that before and it would not surprise me at all. I've been meaning to head back to the library to see what all Saudis were flown out of the country also. There was a story that mentioned this just a couple of days after the bombing.
21 posted on 06/14/2006 6:32:34 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
While the congresscritters are at it, they can also check out the Flight 800 shoot down and why the Clintoons covered that up.

Vince Foster needs a little dredging while their at it.


22 posted on 06/14/2006 6:41:03 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker ("If a fence doesn't work then why does Bush have one around the White House?")
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To: Diogenesis
TWA 800 "It wasn't terrorists. It couldn't have been."

ML/NJ

23 posted on 06/14/2006 7:15:22 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Nephi
Rohrbacher isn't going to call any witnesses that will call into question the idiotic "official line" on Oklahoma City.

Another whitewash. Of course.

24 posted on 06/14/2006 7:47:34 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: Renfield; truthaboveall; doug from upland; Peach; Nita Nupress; backhoe
Rohrabacher/OKC Bombing PING!

BTW, who has the OKC Bombing ping-list now? Would someone please ping the list on this article? And, may I please have a copy of the list?

25 posted on 06/14/2006 9:22:03 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: Renfield

Gee, how can they hold hearings without inviting Jayna Davis and her 22 witnesses?


26 posted on 06/14/2006 9:23:26 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Renfield; truthaboveall; doug from upland; All
The congressional investigation will be limited to our area of focus, which is whether there was a foreign connection to the conspiracy," Rohrabacher explained.

Translation: "If I simply chase after Cash & Charles' Neo Nazis, that will be 'investigating a foreign connection' -- and I can ignore all of Jayna Davis' evidence.

Here we go again...

27 posted on 06/14/2006 9:35:59 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: LIConFem; truthaboveall; doug from upland; All
Between this and the recent search for Hoffa's remains, I'm not sure which is the bigger waste of time and money.


You obviously either

  1. Have no idea of what you are writing about

    OR

  2. Have a vested interest in continuing the status quo.

You at least owe it to your honesty as a FReeper to read this list of unanswered questions recently posted on FR.

Then, when you have done so, to return here and let all of us know if you still think getting answers to them is a "waste of time and money".

28 posted on 06/14/2006 9:51:15 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: chgomac

No. It always startles me to see this name in the OKCBomb threads. Several times it was misspelled "Halloway," so I was hoping that was the true spelling - but it's not.

Of the six David Holloways (Natalee spelling) listed as pilots (or one is a dispatcher, doesn't fly) none are Natalee's dad - nor even in MS or AR, so I feel comfortable saying "no, it's not."

I reserve the right to be wrong, however! Some "former CIA" pilots may very well have decades-old insurance agencies they also run on the side, lol!


29 posted on 06/14/2006 11:05:04 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: doug from upland

Ping


30 posted on 06/14/2006 11:06:25 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud Mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Rte66

"Of the six David Holloways (Natalee spelling) listed as pilots (or one is a dispatcher, doesn't fly) none are Natalee's dad - nor even in MS or AR, so I feel comfortable saying "no, it's not."

Thanks for the info.....I remember shortly after she disappeared there were some blips on the news that her dad was connected to some government agency....thus, the FBI, etc. got involved real quick. It sounded like a wierd coincidence when the name came up here.


31 posted on 06/14/2006 6:10:31 PM PDT by chgomac
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To: chgomac

Yeah, I thought of that, too. Perhaps someone had misgoogled. It happens.


32 posted on 06/14/2006 9:16:49 PM PDT by Rte66
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