Skip to comments.VANITY: Defeat the leftist lies that Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the war
Posted on 06/14/2006 8:52:58 AM PDT by Peach
Two major issues were used by the President in the run up to war with Iraq. One was the WMD issue and the other was Iraq's support for Al Qaeda.
Since the war began in March 2003, the Democrats and media have repeatedly lied to the American public that Saddam didn't have a relationship with Al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden. They have been permitted to lie without challenge by Congressional Republicans or the President or his administration.
It is well past time that we educate Republican Congressmen and the conservative media, and try to encourage Tony Snow and Karl Rove on the importance of not letting this lie go unchallenged.
Since the 1990's, the media wrote dozens and dozens of articles about the world's alarm at the growing relationship Saddam and Iraqi military officers had with Al Qaeda and bin Laden. In the next post, I will detail some of those links.
Additionally, our very own freeper, translator and national treasure, jveritas, has translated documents which show that Saddam had direct ties to the Taliban in Afghanistan.
It is my firm belief that if more Americans knew about the relationships discussed above, support for the war and our beloved military would increase substantially. The media has gotten away with this lie for long enough.
I am looking for specific suggestions on how to get the word out to the administration with the suggestion they use this evidence of a relationship between Saddam and the jihadists more often, and how to directly write or call our Congressmen, the media, Ken Mehlman as Chair of the GOP, talk radio hosts, etc.
Saddam Hussein Military Intelligence Officer considered for Zarqawi replacement, man worked with Zarqawi since 2002
Fedayeen Saddam/al Qaeda in open alliance
Former Mukhabarat/Saddam Baathists caught working with Zarqawi in Iraq
Very good, Ali! I'd like to send this to every Republican in Congress and tell them to educate themselves and grow a spine for crying out loud.
The least the members of Congress can do is defend the mission, the military, their own party and their president.
It seems like that's asking too much these days.
From Ikez78's blog:
The former Saddam Military Intelligence Officer being considered for the al Qaeda leadership role http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/former-military-intelligence-official.html
The fact that al Qaeda and the former Saddam Fedayeen are OPENLY in alliance http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.html
The list of former well known Baath party members who have been caught working for al Qaeda/Zarqawi in Iraq http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/05/former-baathists-found-working-with-al.html
I would go with those first, the interview, while good, might be viewed as clutter and stuff he's seen. I'd prefer he see stuff that hasnt been discussed at all.
Interview with 5-time author Sam Pender. Pender takes on all of the criticisms used to bolster the "no ties" between al Qaeda and Iraq argument
One of the best interviews I've seen and explained better than most reporters and authors. Kudos to you both; you for asking the right questions and Sam for giving us the answers we won't hear in the MSM.
What a fabulous timeline! Thanks for that; I've freepmailed it to my freepmail and will add it to my list.
You got to be kidding?
Should it be Unit 666?
One of the myths that I debunk in that post is the canard that we "armed" saddam hussein's army. Supposedly we gave him all those soviet designed arms. ;-]
As anyone with even a cursory knowledge of military equipment knows, 70 percent of Saddams military equipment was manufactured in the Soviet Union or one of its former Pact countries. Most of the rest was French made stuff.
I've argued that point a time or two in our local paper; I don't know how these urban myths start but the administration probably should have a better PR campaign.
At the least, if the WH doesn't want to attend to these pesky details, they need Ken Mehlman or some point person who can attend to the urban myths that surround the war.
Document: Zarqawi in Iraq Long Before the War Started (See translation and interesting finds)
Pentagon/FMSO Pre-war Iraq documents ^ | March/17/06 | jveritas
Posted on 03/17/2006 10:37:56 AM PST by jveritas
In regards to the Iraqi intelligence documents that discussed Al Zarqawi presence in Iraq, as posted on the Foreign Miliarty Services Office (FMSO) website (document ISGZ-2004-019920 ) it appears that the some in the Iraqi intelligence apparatus provided the accurate information about Zarqawi presence in Iraq with attached pictures of him, but when the information reached the Director or a Director of the Iraqi intelligence he dismissed it as not accurate. This is interesting since it seems there was an intended cover up by this top Iraqi Intelligence officer about the presence of Zarqawi in Iraq despite the much stronger evidence that he was already in Iraq.
I am posting below the translation of the FMSO document ISGZ-2004-019920 and I will make it in a chronological order and please note that I put illegible word(s) when the word(s) in the pdf document is(are) very blur and cannot be read with accuracy and that it is hand writing documents and not printed so it make difficult to read some of the words:
Page 7 of the pdf document: This is a letter from an Iraqi intelligence officer dated August/7/2002 (7/8/2002 per Iraqi date numbering system) talking about the presence of individuals from Al Qaeda inside Iraq and that they possess multiple passports. The has attached pictures of Ahmad Fadil Nazal AlKhalayla that we know him by his nick name of Zarqawi (Abu Musaab Al Zarqawi) and some other individual.
Page 7 translation:
Secretary 384 7/8/2002
In the name of God the Merciful
From I.M 53/1/5
Document No 513387 per our letter 3077 in 23/6/2002 and in reference to proclamation illegible number numbered 9096 in 8/1/2002. Information are available from a trusted source about the individual existence of illegible word our letter above inside the country and they are accused of dealing with the Al Qaeda organization that is lead by the Saudi Osama Bin Laden and they possess more than one passport. illegible word to the respectful Mr. Director of the apparatus illegible word 515 to direct your sources to track the existence of the people mentioned above within your work domain and inform us in case you prove this 515. illegible words your view to inspect the pictures of those mentioned with the pictures of the Jordanian community with your work domain 535 illegible word tourist hotels, residential apartments, rented homes. Relate the subject illegible words with our boss.
End of page 7 translation
Page 4, 5, and 6 of the pdf document were the attachments that the Iraqi intelligence officer attached to his letter and it contain pictures of two individuals and one of them ispage Ahmad Fadil Nazal AlKhalayla or better know to us a Zarqawi (pages 4 and 5).
Page 8 is very illegible, page 9 is almost blank with a foot note saying Regarding the possibility of Al Qaeda individuals entering the country, and page 10 is a blank cover letter with no writing on it ( On the right hand corner it is written The Iraqi Republic Presidency of the Republic, Intelligence Service).
Page 2: This a letter from intelligence officer R.K dated on 17/8/2002 asking the Director to review the information in the letter from I.M 53/1/5 (Letter posted, translation of page 7) because they (R.K group) claim that do not have any indication of the existence of such individuals of Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Page 2 translation:
Please review regarding the letter of M 53/1/5 3387 in 7/8/2002. Upon further inspection of the information in it, we have no indication about this and therefore we suggest answering M 53. With regards
Signature R.K 17/8/2002
End of page 2 translation .
The it in the above refer to letter of M 53 and the this refer to the information about Al Qaeda members entering Iraq.
Page 3 is a reply to the letter of R.K from the Director Ismail Mohamad (Initial M.I or I.M) and basically it says that after they inspected the content of the letter from M 53 they found no indication of the existence of these individuals within the public.
Translation of the letter in page 3
To the respectful Mr. R.K
We would like to show you the following:
1. We received the letter of M 53/1/5 numbered 3387 on 7/8/2002 in regards of the existence of members from Al Qaeda organization in the country.
2. From the inspection of the information through our sources and friends within our domain and also bureau (3) we have no indication of the existence of the mentioned individuals within the Public.
Please review.. and we suggest to put the letter aside.. with regards
Secretary for Ismail Mouhamad
End of page 3 translation.
Now in page 1 you will find the answer from I.M 53/4 (The Director) to the I.M 53/1/5 who is wrote the original letter about AL Qaeda member in Iraq. Again the letter from the Director says that there is no indication of Al Qaeda members in Iraq.
Translation of page 1
Secret and Immediate Letter
To I.M 53/1/5
From I.M 53/4
Document number 15701 and your letter numbered 3501 in 15/8/2002, we have directed our sources and there was no indication for us about this. We will provide you with the latest in case we receive it. Finished
Secretary 17/8 Youssef 17/8
End of page 1 translation
It seems to me that the lower branch of the Iraqi intelligence provided accurate information about the presence of Zarqawi and AL Qaeda members in Iraq but for some reason it was quickly dismissed by another higher branch in the intelligence service as if they want to cover this up and not follow through on it.
Declassified doc Iraq show 3,000 Saudi and Iraqi mujihideen
LauraMansfield.com ^ | March 17, 2006 | Freeper StillProud2BeFree
Posted on 03/17/2006 2:27:40 PM PST by Calpernia
March 17, 2006: Declassified documents from Iraq show 3,000 Saudi and Iraqi mujihideen depart Iraq in Nov 2001 to fight US in Afghanistan
The newly declassified documents shed more and more light on the evolution of the violent insurgency in Iraq, and show that Saddam Husseins government was aware not just of the presence of Al Qaeda terrorist Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, but also was aware that the Anbar province in Iraq was being used as a launch point for organized groups of jihadis headed to fight the United States in Afghanistan.
The document, addressed to the Security Board, Fedayeen Saddam at the office of the Presidency in Iraq, reports what it describes as a rumor, says:
there is a group of Iraqi and Saudi Arabians numbering around 3,000 who have gone in an unofficial capacity to Afghanistan and have joined the mujahidin to fight with and aid them in defeating the American Zionist Imperialist attack
This clearly indicates that Iraq was being used as a transit point or launch point for Saudi Arabian jihadis, as well as Iraqis, who wanted to go join the forces of Osama Bin Laden in Iraq in November 2001, nearly a year and a half before the US and Coalition forces commenced military action against Saddam Husseins regime.
The sheer volume of mujahideen that reportedly departed from the Anbar province, combined with the presence of Zarqawi in Iraq, indicates the presence of an organized Al Qaeda infrastructure within Iraq just a few months after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.
The Anbar province is Iraqs largest province and is located east and southeast of Baghdad. Anbar borders the neighboring states of Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, making it a popular transit point for the insurgents moving in and out of Iraq.
A complete translation follows:
In the name of God the most Merciful, the most Compassionate
Republic of Iraq
SECRET AND PERSONAL
To: Iraqi Intelligence Service
1. In the report on the status of rumors for November of 2001 regarding Fedayeen Saddam in al-Anbar, there is an entry that indicates that there is a group of Iraqi and Saudi Arabians numbering around 3,000 who have gone in an unofficial capacity to Afghanistan and have joined the mujahidin to fight with and aid them in defeating the American Zionist Imperialist attack.
2. After presenting the matter to the Supervisor of Fedayeen Saddam, he ordered that the matter should be looked into for verification of the truth of the rumor.
Please review and inform us.
I don't think I have that one; thanks, Mike.
My pleasure! I was afraid I was repeating a post because I didn't want to look through them all, but I'm glad I didn't!
By the way, I have been wanting to contact JVeritas to confirm whether he is confident the word "rumor" is translated correctly. I may do so now and will let you know what I turn up.
Funny I should have seen your thread today. It was exceptionally timely for me. I found myself walking into a knockdown dragout discussion, totally unintentionally, with a couple of lib coworkers vs. a conservative compadre just after I had printed off your thread starter. Needless to say, after I'd read off several of the first entries you had from the NYSlimes and the 'Toons' Justice Department, they were astonished... totally in denial... and trying to change the subject.
This is going to come in extremely handy in the months to come.
I will not lose track of it.
PS: I expect to be around progressively more often again. I was going through a rough spot and have had to slowly work myself out of it. I never lost touch with FR, but didn't post much.
Democratic Flip Flops on Iraq & Al Qaeda Connection
I have so much catching up to do on my list, I really need to set some time aside to do it.
I have a question, if I want to save that particular section of the blog that shows up now, not something that gets added in a week or tomorrow, how do I save it?
It's terrific, btw, and thank you!
Well, you were missed and I wondered where you were. I trust all is getting better and that you and your dear daughter are in good health, AFPhys.
As to your other post regarding this thread, I'm glad about the timing! LOL