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VANITY: Defeat the leftist lies that Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the war
Various News and Govermental Sources ^ | June 14, 2006 | Peach

Posted on 06/14/2006 8:52:58 AM PDT by Peach

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To: Peach; admin

BTT


151 posted on 06/14/2006 10:21:42 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
"The 1950s-vintage nuclear reactor in Sydney is not a power plant. It is used for scientific and medical research"

I've never heard of it being referred to as a "power plant", only a nuclear reactor. For that matter, in my travels and experience in that city, I've always thought they were a nuclear weapons free zone and I've never heard of a nuclear plant in that area. That is why in my comment I made reference to a "dirty bomb". They intended to blow up this research nuclear reactor to create fallout that would disrupt the Olympics.

Research reactors were pretty common in this country when we entered the nuclear age, however, my latest info suggests that we are now down to about 25 or so.

FReegards,
DocRock

152 posted on 06/14/2006 10:26:19 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: eyespysomething; Peach
Since the 1990's, the media wrote dozens and dozens of articles about the world's alarm at the growing relationship Saddam and Iraqi military officers had with Al Qaeda and bin Laden.

Because there was a democrat in the White House in the 1990's, and journalists are too friggin lazy to do a LexisNexis search of their own archives.

153 posted on 06/14/2006 11:45:22 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Peach
I don't bother e-mailing my Congressman. Everytime I do, I get some dopey autoresponder. Besides, they ain't interested in getting to the truth, they're only interested in getting re-elected.

The White House needs to be out in front on this issue. I've had it with the media, and I don't trust the GOP Congress to carry the White House water.

154 posted on 06/14/2006 11:48:55 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Shelayne

Hi, Shelayne. I heard Hayden during the hearing say he didn't agree with those memos though and I was so discouraged I nearly bashed my head into a wall. LOL


155 posted on 06/15/2006 3:01:56 AM PDT by Peach (Bush Iraq truth http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: Dolphy

Writing Hoekstra is a good idea, Dolphy, and I will do so today as well. Thanks for writing.


156 posted on 06/15/2006 3:02:53 AM PDT by Peach (Bush Iraq truth http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: goodnesswins

Thank you, goodnesswins! I appreciate the help.


157 posted on 06/15/2006 3:08:32 AM PDT by Peach (Bush Iraq truth http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: Peach

BUMP!


158 posted on 06/15/2006 5:36:49 AM PDT by windchime (democrats: No Hope....All Hate)
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To: Peach

Good work, Peach.


159 posted on 06/15/2006 8:55:49 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Peach

An AWESOME compendium, Peach.

Thanks so much for helping us all discuss this.


160 posted on 06/15/2006 9:18:12 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

Hi, AFPhys; it's good to "see" you.

As I was just told in a freepmail by a smart freeper, we too often let the left get away with saying that Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before the war, which of course is a lie and a relatively easy lie to disprove, but we also shouldn't let the left tie us down to Al Qaeda exclusively since these jihadist groups work together.


161 posted on 06/15/2006 9:57:25 AM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thank you, Tolerance. I hope you consider sending one letter or e-mail copying and pasting the links in #2 and using the e-mail addresses in #16.

This is the time to strike while the iron is hot.

As the new memo of Zarqawi's that surfaced today shows, the jihadists are all working together.

I'm taking this from a freeper's blog:

"Baathist holdovers have admitted putting aside any ideological differences with Zarqawi to cooperate with him for a "greater" cause (something critics have argued wasn't possible)."

http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.html


162 posted on 06/15/2006 9:59:01 AM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Peach

Good Job and Thanks for all the links and addresses, Peach!


163 posted on 06/15/2006 10:34:17 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Wanna help kick some liberal arse? It's not just a job here at FR, IT's an obsession.)
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To: Peach


From 911 Commission Book.
page 66. "...there's no credible evidence of any cooperation between OBL and Saddam.

then to page 128,

They dropped "understanding" from the indictment to what?

"On November 4, 1998, the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York unsealed its indictment of Bin Laden, charging him with conpiracy to attack US defense installations. The indictment also charged that al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran, and Hezbollah. The orginal sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had "reached an uderstanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq." 109

This passage led Clarke, who for years had read intelligence reports on Iraqi-Sudanese cooperation on chemical weapons, to speculate to Berger that a large Iraqi presence at chemical facilities in Khartoum was "probably a direct result of the Iraq-Al Qida agreement." Clarke added that VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq." 110

This language about al Qaeda's "understanding" with Iraq had been dropped, however, when a superseding indictment was filed in November 1998." 111

References:

#109: Indictment, United States v. Usama Bin Laden, No. 98Cr. (S.D.N.Y. unsealed November 4, 1998), page 3. For the reports concerning Derunta, see NSC membo. Clarke to Berger, Roadmap, Nov 3, 1998.

#110: NSC email, Clarke to Berger, Nove, 1998, Evidence on Iraqi ties to al Qaeda is summarized in Chapter 2.


#111
Patrick Fitzgerald testimony, June 16, 2004

"...One of the hazy questions that surrounds Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda is really its relationship, if any, with Iraq and with Saddam Hussein.

We've often heard that Osama bin Laden would not have been a natural ally, for religious reasons, for the composition and nature of Saddam Hussein's regime. And our staff report, as you just heard, basically says there's no credible evidence of any cooperation between the two. However, there seems to be some indicia that there may have been.

And, Mr. Fitzgerald, I'm delighted you're here, because this first question really I wanted to ask specifically to you, because it relates to the indictment of Osama bin Laden in the spring of 1998.

FIELDING: This is before the U.S. Embassy bombings in East Africa and the administration indicted Osama bin Laden. And the indictment, which was unsealed a few months later, reads, "al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government, and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."

So my question to you is what evidence was that indictment based upon and what was this understanding that's referenced in it?

FITZGERALD: And the question of relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda is an interesting one. I don't have information post-2001 when I got involved in a trial, and I don't have information post-September 11th. I can tell you what led to that inclusion in that sealed indictment in May and then when we superseded, which meant we broadened the charges in the Fall, we dropped that language.

We understood there was a very, very intimate relationship between al Qaeda and the Sudan. They worked hand in hand. We understood there was a working relationship with Iran and Hezbollah, and they shared training. We also understood that there had been antipathy between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein because Saddam Hussein was not viewed as being religious.

We did understand from people, including al-Fadl -- and my recollection is that he would have described this most likely in public at the trial that we had, but I can't tell you that for sure; that was a few years ago -- that at a certain point they decided that they wouldn't work against each other and that we believed a fellow in al Qaeda named Mondu Saleem (ph), Abu Harzai (ph) the Iraqi, tried to reach a, sort of, understanding where they wouldn't work against each other. Sort of, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

And that there were indications that within Sudan when al Qaeda was there -- which al Qaeda left in the summer of '96 or spring '96 -- there were efforts to work on joint -- you know, acquiring weapons.

FITZGERALD: Clearly, al Qaeda worked with the Sudan in getting those weapons in the national defense force there and the intelligence service. There were indications that al-Fadl had heard from others that Iran was involved. And they also had heard that Iraq was involved.

The clearest account from al-Fadl as a Sudanese was that he had dealt directly with the Sudanese intelligence service, so we had first-hand knowledge of that.

We corroborated the relationship with Iran to a lesser extent but to a solid extent. And then we had information from al-Fadl, who we believe was truthful, learning from others that there were also was efforts to try to work with Iraq. That was the basis for what we put in that indictment. Clearly, we put Sudan in the first order at that time as being the partner of al Qaeda.

We understood the relationship with Iran but Iraq, we understood, went from a position where they were working against each other to a standing down against each other. And we understood they were going to explore the possibility of working on weapons together.

That's my piece of what I know. I don't represent to know everything else, so I can't tell you, well, what we've learned since then. But there was that relationship that went from opposing each other to not opposing each other to possibly working with each other.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A46525-2004Jun16?language=printer


164 posted on 06/15/2006 10:38:39 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: Milligan

You're right - they have gone from somewhat opposing each other to working together. Documents found from Zarqawi today prove that.

This is from a freeper's blog:

Baathist holdovers have admitted putting aside any ideological differences with Zarqawi to cooperate with him for a "greater" cause (something critics have argued wasn't possible).

http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.html


165 posted on 06/15/2006 10:42:31 AM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Peach

Usama Bin Laden and Five Others Docket, November 24, 1998
(Superceded: See 11 November 2001)

http://cryptome.quintessenz.org/mirror/alqfiles.htm

No mention about Saddam and al Queda connection. The superceded version sounds like handing down the sentences but tells the reader to see: related trial transcripts:

http://cryptome.org/usa-v-ubl-dt.htm



Interesting note...who is Mamdouh Mahmud Salim
(Aka) Abu Hajer al Iraqi

http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/Biographies/Bios/Salim/BioSalim.html

Who is Wadih el-Hage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadih_el-Hage


166 posted on 06/15/2006 12:32:17 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: Peach; All

Sorry if any were previously posted. These are just columns with links for any to look back into, not the wonderful research you have so far.

September 27, 2003
Iraq - Al-Qaeda Connections (Links)
http://www.danwismar.com/archives/wizblog/000470.html

Flopping Aces 6-12-2006
The Ties that bind
http://www.floppingaces.net/?cat=25

The Saddam-Al Qaeda Connection
The pre-war link between Saddam and Al Qaeda had to be addressed.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/WThomasSmithJr/2006/01/16/182446.html

Court Rules: Al Qaida, Iraq Linked
NEW YORK, May 7, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/08/uttm/main552868.shtml

Clarke Links Al Qaeda
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/03/23/142941.php

As opposed to what Clarke said after:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

June 17, 2004, 8:40 a.m.
Iraq & al Qaeda
The 9/11 Commission raises more questions than it answers.
http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200406170840.asp

Iraq - Al Qaeda Links, Part XXVIII
July 24, 2004
http://www.danwismar.com/archives/wizblog/002076.html

Yes, There Is a Connection
The 9/11 Commission confirms Iraq-al Qaeda ties.
by Daniel McKivergan
07/22/2004 5:45:00 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/354tdeij.asp

July 23, 2004, 8:35 a.m.
Boogie to Baghdad
What the 9/11 Commission says about Iraq and al Qaeda.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200407230835.asp

September 19, 2003, 9:00 a.m.
No Question About It
Saddam and the terrorists.
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Saddam killed Abu Nidal over al-Qa'eda row
By Con Coughlin
(Filed: 25/08/2002)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/25/wnidal25.xml

Saddam's Files
New evidence of a link between Iraq and al Qaeda.
Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005133

Al Qaeda in Iraq before the war
Saturday, June 10, 2006
http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2006/06/al-qaeda-in-iraq-before-war.html

Their Man in Baghdad
What Zarqawi--and al Qaeda--were up to before the Iraq war.
by Stephen F. Hayes
06/19/2006, Volume 011, Issue 38
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/328youfz.asp

Abu Nidal, September 11 and Saddam
The terrorist network may be closer knit than we think.
BY ASLA AYDINTASBAS
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002160

The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties
From the December 29, 2003 / January 5, 2004 issue: Connecting the dots in 1998, but not in 2003.
by Stephen F. Hayes
12/29/2003, Volume 009, Issue 16
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

The Mother of All Connections (Hot)
From the July 18, 2005 issue: A special report on the new evidence of collaboration between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda.
by Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn
07/18/2005, Volume 010, Issue 41
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp

The Iraq -- Al Qaeda Connections
FR 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

Iraq & Militant Islam
Saddam’s al Qaeda links were a worthy rationale for toppling his regime.
June 2004
http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200406010821.asp

Photos Prove Connection Between Iraq and Al-Qaeda Terrorists
Rush Site
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/cold/photos_prove_connection_between_iraq_and_al_qaeda_terrorists.member.html

Did Russian Ambassador Give Saddam the U.S. War Plan?
Iraq Archive Document Alleges Russian Official Described Locations, Troops, Tanks and Other Forces Before Operation Iraqi Freedom Began
(From ABC no less)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

More Connections
Two new members of the Iraqi interim government insist that Saddam and al Qaeda were linked.
by Stephen F. Hayes
06/03/2004 8:15:00 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/167gwjtp.asp

The Iraq -- Al Qaeda Connections (Miniter)
25 Sep 2003
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=092503F

Iraq-al Qaeda link comes in focus
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031201-123723-4738r.htm

Salman Pak / Al Salman
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

With Intel Page
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/hotdocs.htm

Russia Warned U.S. About Iraq, Putin Says
(Pincus warning, he slipped... was pushing another agenda when he wrote this)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53096-2004Jun18.html

Chronology: The Plots
For me, from PBS, no less
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/special/cron.html

Iraq and Al Qaeda Connection
(Has quotes from Rock and Hill)
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/politics_conservative/118035

The Untold 9/11 Story
VIEW FROM THE RIGHT
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/06/28/asparks.DTL&type=printable

Los Angeles Times Downplays Possible Connection Between Al Qaeda and the Samarra Mosque Bombing *
http://patterico.com/2006/02/26/4256/los-angeles-times-downplays-possible-connection-between-al-qaeda-and-the-samarra-mosque-bombing/

Saddam's Files
New evidence of a link between Iraq and al Qaeda.
(On Shakir)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005133

Heaven forbid -- A Syria/Iraq/al Qaeda/WMD connection?*
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/006634.php

Bill Clinton Was Right
From the July 5 / July 12, 2004 issue: There was a Saddam-Osama connection and we're learning more every day.
by Stephen F. Hayes
07/05/2004, Volume 009, Issue 41
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/274fwxli.asp

The 2004 interview with Allawi (MSNBC)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5326544/

Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, & the 9-11 hijackers received assistance from Iraq.


Bill Clinton declared in Executive Order 13129 of July 4, 1999: I, William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States of America, find that the actions and policies of the Taliban in Afghanistan, in allowing territory under its control in Afghanistan to be used as a safe haven and base of operations for Usama Bin Laden and the al-Qaeda (sic) organization who have committed and threaten to continue to commit acts of violence against the United States and its nationals, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the U.S., and hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

(With List, no doc links though... can look up)
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/al-queda-iraq-connection.html

The Al Qaeda Connection
From the May 12, 2003 issue: Saddam's links to Osama were no secret.
by Stephen F. Hayes
05/12/2003, Volume 008, Issue 34
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/628wqxma.asp


167 posted on 06/15/2006 12:37:39 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: All

Saddam and al-Qaeda
February 20th, 2006

The proof has been right in front of you the entire time. Documents available on the internet, which pass the smell test and are probably genuine, show the link between Saddam and al Qaeda.

On October 11th, 2004 an online news service called CNSnews published 42 documents that they claimed came from the Iraq Survey Group. The documents supposedly came from an ISG official who claimed they were captured in Iraq. CNSnews provided this information along with testimony from experts who authenticated the documents to the best of their ability. The story can be found here
(Links to docs at site:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5267


168 posted on 06/15/2006 12:40:51 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: All

The Saddam-Al Qaeda Connection
Townhall.com ^ | 16 January 2006 | W. Thomas Smith Jr.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560825/posts

Excellent comment by our hostess and deacon m


169 posted on 06/15/2006 12:43:32 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: Peach

Dem statements re: Saddam in the past:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9027


170 posted on 06/15/2006 12:46:28 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: sono

Saddam's WMD
have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213

We need the big WMD found list with links and photos, I can't find it.


171 posted on 06/15/2006 12:49:49 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: AliVeritas

Saved to my file; I have several of these but not all of them and not so professionally presented.


172 posted on 06/15/2006 12:53:20 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: AliVeritas

I'll have to go through that list to see which, if any, I'm missing, AliVeritas.

Any freeper who wants to effectively argue why we are in Iraq or to know about Iraq's relationship with Al Qaeda, read freeper Ikez78's blog. Ikez interviews another freeper, Sam Pender, who has written several books about this matter.

This is a MUST read, imo.

http://www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/


173 posted on 06/15/2006 12:54:41 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Milligan

Excellent links there, Mulligan. I have some reading and updating to do :-)


174 posted on 06/15/2006 12:56:04 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Peach

Flashback:
This list is a must have and save- courtesy of the hostess:

How about Republicans finally grow a spine and support the military effort and remind the left of a few things.

1. Remind the left that every single Democrat of note said in 1998 that Iraq's WMD posed a danger to the United States.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/972389/posts

2. Remind the left that Clinton's Justice Department obtained a federal indictment of Osama bin Laden which stated that AQ had a deal with Iraq. They agreed not to attack Iraq in exchange for weapons development.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

3. 9/11 Commission reaffirms Bush administration view of Iraq/AQ ties.
June 21, 2004. RNC.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157478/posts

4. Long List of Clinton Administration Officials who Believed There was an AQ/Iraq connection.
July 12, 2004. NewsMax.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169397/posts

5. List of CIA and various Reports regarding Iraq's support for terrorists, terrorism and AQ.
September 16, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/631slkle.asp

6. Osama bin Laden was considered an Iraqi Intelligence asset.
October 14, 2004. National Review.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1246505/posts

Funny how in the 90's the world was concerned about the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam and now the left is revising history.

Saddam reaching out to OBL
January 1, 1999. Newsweek
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158277/posts

ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections
January 14, 1999. ABC News
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1229608/posts?page=1

Osama and Saddam Work Together
January 27, 1999. Laurie Mylroie interview. She is a former Clinton terrorism czar.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158482/posts

A Much Shunned Terrorist Takes Refuge In Iraq (Abu Nidal)
New York Times. January 1999.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433610/posts

Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL.
February 6, 1999. The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam's Link to OBL
February 6, 1999. The Guardian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden
February 13, 1999. AP
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158274/posts

Son of Saddam coordinates with OBL.
Iraqi Special Ops coordinates with Bin Laden's terrorist activities.
August 6, 1999. Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

That and more here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327993/posts?q=1&&page=151

340 posted on 11/01/2005 7:36:32 PM EST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)


175 posted on 06/15/2006 12:56:15 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: Peach

Wow, thanks.


176 posted on 06/15/2006 12:58:30 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: AliVeritas

We have two freepers who are doing the work the MSM won't do.

We have GOT to find a way to link that web site and interview on more threads and send it out to our e-mail list.


177 posted on 06/15/2006 1:03:58 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: AliVeritas

My only admittedly small quibble is the source here is WorldNetDaily ... about the same level of credibility as Debka. Still ...


178 posted on 06/15/2006 1:05:04 PM PDT by sono ("Why can't we deport them? Mexico did." J Leno)
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To: sono

True, thanks for the reminder.

Militia defector claims Baghdad trained Al-Qaeda fighters in chemical warfare
Gwynne Roberts in Ankara
Sunday Times (London); Overseas news; News; 23
July 14, 2002, Sunday
Mohammed said he was recruited into Saddam's Fedayeen in 1997 and trained at two secret facilities - at Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad, and at the Unit 999 camp, northwest of the Iraqi capital. His first encounter with Bin Laden's fighters occurred at Salman Pak when he was on an induction course to become a Fedayeen officer, he said.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts


179 posted on 06/15/2006 1:37:33 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: All

Other previous threads to peruse:

Connections
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850346/posts

UN inspectors uncover proof of Saddam's nuclear bomb plans
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/833827/posts

Zillions of WMD links in thread.


180 posted on 06/15/2006 1:44:31 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("I see dead people...and illegal immigrants...voting in the next election")
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To: AliVeritas

Saddam Hussein Military Intelligence Officer considered for Zarqawi replacement, man worked with Zarqawi since 2002
http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/former-military-intelligence-official.html

Fedayeen Saddam/al Qaeda in open alliance
http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.html

Former Mukhabarat/Saddam Baathists caught working with Zarqawi in Iraq
http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/05/former-baathists-found-working-with-al.html


181 posted on 06/15/2006 1:47:28 PM PDT by ikez78 (www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com)
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To: AliVeritas

Very good, Ali! I'd like to send this to every Republican in Congress and tell them to educate themselves and grow a spine for crying out loud.

The least the members of Congress can do is defend the mission, the military, their own party and their president.

It seems like that's asking too much these days.


182 posted on 06/15/2006 1:58:38 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: All; ikez78

From Ikez78's blog:

The former Saddam Military Intelligence Officer being considered for the al Qaeda leadership role http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/former-military-intelligence-official.html

The fact that al Qaeda and the former Saddam Fedayeen are OPENLY in alliance http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.html

The list of former well known Baath party members who have been caught working for al Qaeda/Zarqawi in Iraq http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/05/former-baathists-found-working-with-al.html
I would go with those first, the interview, while good, might be viewed as clutter and stuff he's seen. I'd prefer he see stuff that hasnt been discussed at all.


183 posted on 06/15/2006 2:00:00 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Peach

Interview with 5-time author Sam Pender. Pender takes on all of the criticisms used to bolster the "no ties" between al Qaeda and Iraq argument

http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/question-and-answer-with-author-sam.html


184 posted on 06/15/2006 2:02:39 PM PDT by ikez78 (www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com)
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To: ikez78

One of the best interviews I've seen and explained better than most reporters and authors. Kudos to you both; you for asking the right questions and Sam for giving us the answers we won't hear in the MSM.


185 posted on 06/15/2006 2:05:03 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Peach
Bio-Chemical Weapons & Saddam: A History.
186 posted on 06/15/2006 3:18:59 PM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: PsyOp

What a fabulous timeline! Thanks for that; I've freepmailed it to my freepmail and will add it to my list.


187 posted on 06/15/2006 3:47:11 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: AliVeritas

You got to be kidding?

Unit 999?
Should it be Unit 666?


188 posted on 06/15/2006 3:49:30 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: Peach

One of the myths that I debunk in that post is the canard that we "armed" saddam hussein's army. Supposedly we gave him all those soviet designed arms. ;-]

As anyone with even a cursory knowledge of military equipment knows, 70 percent of Saddams military equipment was manufactured in the Soviet Union or one of its former Pact countries. Most of the rest was French made stuff.


189 posted on 06/15/2006 3:55:00 PM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: PsyOp

I've argued that point a time or two in our local paper; I don't know how these urban myths start but the administration probably should have a better PR campaign.

At the least, if the WH doesn't want to attend to these pesky details, they need Ken Mehlman or some point person who can attend to the urban myths that surround the war.


190 posted on 06/15/2006 3:56:23 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Peach

Document: Zarqawi in Iraq Long Before the War Started (See translation and interesting finds)
Pentagon/FMSO Pre-war Iraq documents ^ | March/17/06 | jveritas

Posted on 03/17/2006 10:37:56 AM PST by jveritas

In regards to the Iraqi intelligence documents that discussed Al Zarqawi presence in Iraq, as posted on the Foreign Miliarty Services Office (FMSO) website (document ISGZ-2004-019920 ) it appears that the some in the Iraqi intelligence apparatus provided the accurate information about Zarqawi presence in Iraq with attached pictures of him, but when the information reached the Director or a Director of the Iraqi intelligence he dismissed it as not accurate. This is interesting since it seems there was an intended cover up by this top Iraqi Intelligence officer about the presence of Zarqawi in Iraq despite the much stronger evidence that he was already in Iraq.

I am posting below the translation of the FMSO document ISGZ-2004-019920 and I will make it in a chronological order and please note that I put illegible word(s) when the word(s) in the pdf document is(are) very blur and cannot be read with accuracy and that it is hand writing documents and not printed so it make difficult to read some of the words:

Page 7 of the pdf document: This is a letter from an Iraqi intelligence officer dated August/7/2002 (7/8/2002 per Iraqi date numbering system) talking about the presence of individuals from Al Qaeda inside Iraq and that they possess multiple passports. The has attached pictures of Ahmad Fadil Nazal AlKhalayla that we know him by his nick name of Zarqawi (Abu Musaab Al Zarqawi) and some other individual.

Page 7 translation:

Secretary 384 7/8/2002

In the name of God the Merciful

From I.M 53/1/5

Document No 513387 per our letter 3077 in 23/6/2002 and in reference to proclamation illegible number numbered 9096 in 8/1/2002. Information are available from a trusted source about the individual existence of illegible word our letter above inside the country and they are accused of dealing with the Al Qaeda organization that is lead by the Saudi Osama Bin Laden and they possess more than one passport. illegible word to the respectful Mr. Director of the apparatus illegible word 515 to direct your sources to track the existence of the people mentioned above within your work domain and inform us in case you prove this 515. illegible words your view to inspect the pictures of those mentioned with the pictures of the Jordanian community with your work domain 535 illegible word tourist hotels, residential apartments, rented homes. Relate the subject illegible words with our boss.

Signature....

End of page 7 translation

Page 4, 5, and 6 of the pdf document were the attachments that the Iraqi intelligence officer attached to his letter and it contain pictures of two individuals and one of them ispage Ahmad Fadil Nazal AlKhalayla or better know to us a Zarqawi (pages 4 and 5).

Page 8 is very illegible, page 9 is almost blank with a foot note saying “Regarding the possibility of Al Qaeda individuals entering the country”, and page 10 is a blank cover letter with no writing on it ( On the right hand corner it is written “ The Iraqi Republic Presidency of the Republic, Intelligence Service).

Page 2: This a letter from intelligence officer R.K dated on 17/8/2002 asking the Director to review the information in the letter from I.M 53/1/5 (Letter posted, translation of page 7) because they (R.K group) claim that do not have any indication of the existence of such individuals of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Page 2 translation:

Please review regarding the letter of M 53/1/5 3387 in 7/8/2002. Upon further inspection of the information in it, we have no indication about this and therefore we suggest answering M 53. With regards

Signature R.K 17/8/2002

End of page 2 translation .

The “it” in the above refer to letter of M 53 and the “this” refer to the information about Al Qaeda members entering Iraq.

Page 3 is a reply to the letter of R.K from the Director Ismail Mohamad (Initial M.I or I.M) and basically it says that after they inspected the content of the letter from M 53 they found no indication of the existence of these individuals within the public.

Translation of the letter in page 3

To the respectful Mr. R.K

M.I Reply

We would like to show you the following:

1. We received the letter of M 53/1/5 numbered 3387 on 7/8/2002 in regards of the existence of members from Al Qaeda organization in the country.

2. From the inspection of the information through our sources and friends within our domain and also bureau (3) we have no indication of the existence of the mentioned individuals within the Public.

Please review.. and we suggest to put the letter aside.. with regards

Signature….

Secretary for Ismail Mouhamad

17/8/2002.

End of page 3 translation.

Now in page 1 you will find the answer from I.M 53/4 (The Director) to the I.M 53/1/5 who is wrote the original letter about AL Qaeda member in Iraq. Again the letter from the Director says that there is no indication of Al Qaeda members in Iraq.

Translation of page 1

Secret and Immediate Letter

To I.M 53/1/5

From I.M 53/4

Document number 15701 and your letter numbered 3501 in 15/8/2002, we have directed our sources and there was no indication for us about this. We will provide you with the latest in case we receive it. Finished

Secretary 17/8 Youssef 17/8

Signature

M 53/4

17/8/2002

End of page 1 translation

It seems to me that the lower branch of the Iraqi intelligence provided accurate information about the presence of Zarqawi and AL Qaeda members in Iraq but for some reason it was quickly dismissed by another higher branch in the intelligence service as if they want to cover this up and not follow through on it.




191 posted on 06/15/2006 4:21:09 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: Peach

Declassified doc Iraq show 3,000 Saudi and Iraqi mujihideen
LauraMansfield.com ^ | March 17, 2006 | Freeper StillProud2BeFree

Posted on 03/17/2006 2:27:40 PM PST by Calpernia

March 17, 2006: Declassified documents from Iraq show 3,000 Saudi and Iraqi mujihideen depart Iraq in Nov 2001 to fight US in Afghanistan

The newly declassified documents shed more and more light on the evolution of the violent insurgency in Iraq, and show that Saddam Hussein’s government was aware not just of the presence of Al Qaeda terrorist Abu Mus’ab Al Zarqawi, but also was aware that the Anbar province in Iraq was being used as a launch point for organized groups of jihadis headed to fight the United States in Afghanistan.

The document, addressed to the Security Board, Fedayeen Saddam at the office of the Presidency in Iraq, reports what it describes as a “rumor”, says:

there is a group of Iraqi and Saudi Arabians numbering around 3,000 who have gone in an unofficial capacity to Afghanistan and have joined the mujahidin to fight with and aid them in defeating the American Zionist Imperialist attack

This clearly indicates that Iraq was being used as a transit point or launch point for Saudi Arabian jihadis, as well as Iraqis, who wanted to go join the forces of Osama Bin Laden in Iraq in November 2001, nearly a year and a half before the US and Coalition forces commenced military action against Saddam Hussein’s regime.

The sheer volume of “mujahideen” that reportedly departed from the Anbar province, combined with the presence of Zarqawi in Iraq, indicates the presence of an organized Al Qaeda infrastructure within Iraq just a few months after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

The Anbar province is Iraq’s largest province and is located east and southeast of Baghdad. Anbar borders the neighboring states of Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, making it a popular transit point for the insurgents moving in and out of Iraq.

A complete translation follows:

In the name of God the most Merciful, the most Compassionate

Republic of Iraq

The Presidency

Fedayeen Saddam

Security Board

SECRET AND PERSONAL

Number: 1/22/11836

Date: 12/1/2001

To: Iraqi Intelligence Service

Re: Rumor

Greetings.

1. In the report on the status of rumors for November of 2001 regarding Fedayeen Saddam in al-Anbar, there is an entry that indicates that there is a group of Iraqi and Saudi Arabians numbering around 3,000 who have gone in an unofficial capacity to Afghanistan and have joined the mujahidin to fight with and aid them in defeating the American Zionist Imperialist attack.

2. After presenting the matter to the Supervisor of Fedayeen Saddam, he ordered that the matter should be looked into for verification of the truth of the rumor.

Please review and inform us.


192 posted on 06/15/2006 4:22:39 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: MikeA

I don't think I have that one; thanks, Mike.


193 posted on 06/15/2006 4:29:13 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Peach

My pleasure! I was afraid I was repeating a post because I didn't want to look through them all, but I'm glad I didn't!


194 posted on 06/15/2006 4:42:10 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: Peach

By the way, I have been wanting to contact JVeritas to confirm whether he is confident the word "rumor" is translated correctly. I may do so now and will let you know what I turn up.


195 posted on 06/15/2006 4:45:29 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: Peach

Funny I should have seen your thread today. It was exceptionally timely for me. I found myself walking into a knockdown dragout discussion, totally unintentionally, with a couple of lib coworkers vs. a conservative compadre just after I had printed off your thread starter. Needless to say, after I'd read off several of the first entries you had from the NYSlimes and the 'Toons' Justice Department, they were astonished... totally in denial... and trying to change the subject.

This is going to come in extremely handy in the months to come.

I will not lose track of it.


196 posted on 06/15/2006 5:00:48 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Peach

PS: I expect to be around progressively more often again. I was going through a rough spot and have had to slowly work myself out of it. I never lost touch with FR, but didn't post much.


197 posted on 06/15/2006 5:02:56 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Peach

Today's installment...
Democratic Flip Flops on Iraq & Al Qaeda Connection

http://chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com/2006/06/democratic-flip-flops-on-iraq-al-qaeda.html


198 posted on 06/15/2006 6:03:37 PM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (All aboard the Chickenhawk Express... www.chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com)
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To: Chickenhawk Warmonger

I have so much catching up to do on my list, I really need to set some time aside to do it.

I have a question, if I want to save that particular section of the blog that shows up now, not something that gets added in a week or tomorrow, how do I save it?

It's terrific, btw, and thank you!


199 posted on 06/15/2006 6:22:23 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: AFPhys

Well, you were missed and I wondered where you were. I trust all is getting better and that you and your dear daughter are in good health, AFPhys.

As to your other post regarding this thread, I'm glad about the timing! LOL


200 posted on 06/15/2006 6:23:38 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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