Skip to comments.OPPOSITION TO WAR INCOMPATIBLE WITH SUPPORT FOR ABORTION, SAYS SPANISH CARDINAL
Posted on 06/16/2006 6:52:08 AM PDT by topher
Madrid, June 15, 2006 (CNA) - The vice president of the Bishops Conference of Spain, Cardinal Antonio Cañizares of Toledo, said this week opposition to war or to domestic violence is incompatible with support for abortion.
Speaking at a summer course on Catholicism and Spain offered through the University of San Pablo and the Garcia Morente Foundation, the cardinal gave his analysis of the moral state of the country and asked, How can you say no to the war, no to violence in the home and yet say yes to abortion?
According to the cardinal, family, education and the defense of human life are not truths of the faith, but rather the three basic realities that make Spain what she is and what she is called to be today and in the future.
These three realities, he added, are not particular to any one confession, but rather are directed towards all persons independent of their religious preference. The Spanish cardinal explained that many parents are appealing for urgent help for the family, which is enduring grave problems, and it is time to provide solutions.
Cardinal Cañizares said one of the causes of the crisis of the family is the plague of divorce - whose victims are the children, and he said homosexual unions and marriage between persons of the same sex are being used to destroy the truth about marriage.
It hurts my ears to hear them talking about (homosexual marriage as) progress and defending positions that denigrate the family, the cardinal said.
Much of what he talks about hits home to many Americans...
I also like the quote that it hurts his ears "to hear them talking about (homosexual marriage as) 'progress' and defending positions that denigrate the family."
How can you say no to the war, no to violence in the home and yet say yes to abortion?
It's this kind of critical thought that causes leftists to rant and rave, (since they can't argue the logic).
May also contribute to the left's contempt for the Church.
It reminds me of all of my pro-choice friends who say the familiar " I'm against abortion for myself, but not for others."
Then you get the well used "You can't legislate morality."
Sure you can. All laws attempt to either restrict or encourage a certain type of behavior and, thus, contain or carry a certain moral view of the world.
This Spanish cardinal is spot on. God bless him.
So does that mean that support for the war is incompatible with opposition to abortion?
to non-violence, or "peace"
....is incompatible with abortion support = killing babies!
They are hypocrites, and abortion has divided this country like no other issue.
"So does that mean that support for the war is incompatible with opposition to abortion?"
Not necessarily. Those who oppose the war oppose all violence for any reason. Just ask them.
Those who oppose abortion oppose killing innocents.
Do you consider al-Zarqawi an innocent?
Is everyone who died in the war guilty of something. I'm just pointing out the foolishness of making blanket statements.
"Is everyone who died in the war guilty of something. I'm just pointing out the foolishness of making blanket statements."
And I'm just pointing out the foolishness in not completely thinking out something before making a statement.
You ignore the underlying arguements to the original statement, and therfore it's reverse. The original statement wasn't superficial.
The Cardinal's point is vaild. Your point isn't made.
I believe he is considering the people to be hypocrites for saying that war is wrong and yet abortion is okay.
To say that war is okay and abortion is not okay is totally different.
The Catholic Church believes in the premise of a Just War - that the defense of people against a common foe is justified. But not all wars are considered Just Wars in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
Example: what Hitler and Stalin did in invading Poland (Communist Russia invaded Poland along with Hitler and Nazi Germany) would be considered an unjust war.
However, the United States entering World War II to stop the slaughter of millions of innocent people by Nazi Germany and Japan was considered just in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
The key prinicple of the Just War is that a man is justified in killing intruders in his house that are there to harm his family. I guess if one can show the reason for war is the defense of innocent lives by a hostile government (Iraq, Afghanistan, Terrorism), then the war is justified.
I can't see how the Catholic Church could consider Iraq to be unjust consider what Saddam Hussein was doing in gassing the Kurds and Shiites as well as the torture of innocent people in Iraq...
Some of the comments by the Spanish Cardinal on the family is right on target for me... (And his pointing right how wrong homosexual marriage is...)
No war, so I don't get drafted and shot at
No unwanted children that I might have to raise, pay for etc.
This makes perfect sense to the self-centered children who comprise most of the left.
Because the Church makes sense... Or is it more to do with the title of Ann Coulter's new book: Godless: The Church of Liberalism
[There is logic or at least a common thread to these leftist positions. Both are tied to convenience, not, obviously to reverence for life:...]
I agree. Selfishness is at the heart of the majority of the left's positions, but they carefully try to hide behind an air of "moral superiority". It really is ludicrous. Another example is the left being against the death penalty, but supporting abortion.
Right, I see so many cars with one bumper sticker that says, "Stop the Death Penalty" and another next to the other tail light that says, "Keep Your Laws Off of My Body".
Actually both are a demand that society keep "its" laws off of the lefty's body.
My former tagline was, "What do leftists, Islamists, and Jack Chick & his ilk have in common? Hatred of the Catholic Church."
It should have been, The killing of innocent human beings either by terrorist or by abortionist should be opposed by all who believe in God's will.
"Actually both are a demand that society keep "its" laws off of the lefty's body."
Yep. It would be interesting to know the political affiliation of the people on death row. Want to make a guess what the majority would be? Sometimes statistics can be enlightening.
'This Spanish cardinal is spot on. God bless him.'
He also believes that if you do not support abortion, you must not support capital punishment - only God may decide on life or death.
Do you still think he's spot on?
Where did he say that in the article? Unless you're getting your info from other sources, I think you're making an assumption. His point was that all the good leftists of Spain - who are obsessed with capital punishment, which is not even done in Spain anymore (in fact, Spain barely punishes its criminals) - are hypocrites.
Hey NYer -
Did you see this article? Antonio Cañizares is one of the Cardinals elevated by Benedict a couple months ago.
an interview with him here: