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OPPOSITION TO WAR INCOMPATIBLE WITH SUPPORT FOR ABORTION, SAYS SPANISH CARDINAL
Catholic News Agency via EWTN News ^ | June 15, 2006

Posted on 06/16/2006 6:52:08 AM PDT by topher

Madrid, June 15, 2006 (CNA) - The vice president of the Bishops’ Conference of Spain, Cardinal Antonio Cañizares of Toledo, said this week opposition to war or to domestic violence is incompatible with support for abortion.

Speaking at a summer course on Catholicism and Spain offered through the University of San Pablo and the Garcia Morente Foundation, the cardinal gave his analysis of the moral state of the country and asked, “How can you say no to the war, no to violence in the home and yet say yes to abortion?”

According to the cardinal, family, education and the defense of human life are not “truths of the faith,” but rather “the three basic realities that make Spain what she is and what she is called to be today and in the future.”

These three realities, he added, “are not particular to any one confession, but rather are directed towards all persons independent of their religious preference.” The Spanish cardinal explained that many parents are appealing for urgent help for the family, “which is enduring grave problems, and it is time to provide solutions.”

Cardinal Cañizares said one of the causes of the crisis of the family is “the plague of divorce - whose victims are the children,” and he said homosexual unions and marriage between persons of the same sex are being used to “destroy the truth about marriage.”

“It hurts my ears to hear them talking about (homosexual marriage as) “progress” and defending positions that denigrate the family,” the cardinal said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bishop; cardinal; cathoilic; catholic; spain
Too bad he is a Spanish Cardinal and not an United States Cardinal.

Much of what he talks about hits home to many Americans...

I also like the quote that it hurts his ears "to hear them talking about (homosexual marriage as) 'progress' and defending positions that denigrate the family."

1 posted on 06/16/2006 6:52:10 AM PDT by topher
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To: topher

“How can you say no to the war, no to violence in the home and yet say yes to abortion?”

It's this kind of critical thought that causes leftists to rant and rave, (since they can't argue the logic).
May also contribute to the left's contempt for the Church.


2 posted on 06/16/2006 6:57:50 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: topher

It reminds me of all of my pro-choice friends who say the familiar " I'm against abortion for myself, but not for others."

Then you get the well used "You can't legislate morality."

Sure you can. All laws attempt to either restrict or encourage a certain type of behavior and, thus, contain or carry a certain moral view of the world.

This Spanish cardinal is spot on. God bless him.


3 posted on 06/16/2006 6:58:53 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: topher
The vice president of the Bishops’ Conference of Spain, Cardinal Antonio Cañizares of Toledo, said this week opposition to war or to domestic violence is incompatible with support for abortion

So does that mean that support for the war is incompatible with opposition to abortion?

4 posted on 06/16/2006 7:00:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: topher
Everything the left claims to "stand for"

from "tolerance"
to "progressiveness"
to "humanitarianism"
to non-violence, or "peace"
to "choice"

....is incompatible with abortion support = killing babies!

They are hypocrites, and abortion has divided this country like no other issue.

5 posted on 06/16/2006 7:03:54 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: Non-Sequitur

"So does that mean that support for the war is incompatible with opposition to abortion?"

Not necessarily. Those who oppose the war oppose all violence for any reason. Just ask them.

Those who oppose abortion oppose killing innocents.
Do you consider al-Zarqawi an innocent?


6 posted on 06/16/2006 7:04:01 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan
Those who oppose abortion oppose killing innocents. Do you consider al-Zarqawi an innocent?

Is everyone who died in the war guilty of something. I'm just pointing out the foolishness of making blanket statements.

7 posted on 06/16/2006 7:06:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

"Is everyone who died in the war guilty of something. I'm just pointing out the foolishness of making blanket statements."

And I'm just pointing out the foolishness in not completely thinking out something before making a statement.

You ignore the underlying arguements to the original statement, and therfore it's reverse. The original statement wasn't superficial.

The Cardinal's point is vaild. Your point isn't made.


8 posted on 06/16/2006 7:10:48 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
No.

I believe he is considering the people to be hypocrites for saying that war is wrong and yet abortion is okay.

To say that war is okay and abortion is not okay is totally different.

The Catholic Church believes in the premise of a Just War - that the defense of people against a common foe is justified. But not all wars are considered Just Wars in the eyes of the Catholic Church.

Example: what Hitler and Stalin did in invading Poland (Communist Russia invaded Poland along with Hitler and Nazi Germany) would be considered an unjust war.

However, the United States entering World War II to stop the slaughter of millions of innocent people by Nazi Germany and Japan was considered just in the eyes of the Catholic Church.

The key prinicple of the Just War is that a man is justified in killing intruders in his house that are there to harm his family. I guess if one can show the reason for war is the defense of innocent lives by a hostile government (Iraq, Afghanistan, Terrorism), then the war is justified.

I can't see how the Catholic Church could consider Iraq to be unjust consider what Saddam Hussein was doing in gassing the Kurds and Shiites as well as the torture of innocent people in Iraq...

9 posted on 06/16/2006 7:11:31 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: RexBeach

Some of the comments by the Spanish Cardinal on the family is right on target for me... (And his pointing right how wrong homosexual marriage is...)


10 posted on 06/16/2006 7:12:51 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Pope John Paul II was against the war personally, but the Catholic Church has issued no official statement condemning it. The Catechism allows for just war, and self defense, and in certain, very rare cases, the death penalty.

The problem is the preemptive aspect of the Iraq war. It has never been done before as an act of defense, as far as I know, and that is a gray area concerning the allowance of a just war in the view of the Church.

One can argue that aborted babies are innocent, and devoid of the actions/words that others use to start wars, in essence, one side has no chance, and the other already had theirs. So one deserves it's consequences (war) while the other does not (abortion). This isn't the best example, maybe someone who knows what I am trying to get at can explain it much more clearly.

So I would say no, you can be pro-war and in opposition to abortion, and not be guilty of sin or hypocrisy. For us Catholics, we can hold this until our Catechism or Church decrees otherwise on just war and preemption.
11 posted on 06/16/2006 7:14:03 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: topher
There is logic or at least a common thread to these leftist positions. Both are tied to convenience, not, obviously to reverence for life:

No war, so I don't get drafted and shot at

No unwanted children that I might have to raise, pay for etc.

This makes perfect sense to the self-centered children who comprise most of the left.

12 posted on 06/16/2006 7:16:53 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: brownsfan
May also contribute to the left's contempt for the Church.

Because the Church makes sense... Or is it more to do with the title of Ann Coulter's new book: Godless: The Church of Liberalism

13 posted on 06/16/2006 7:21:37 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Let's Roll

[There is logic or at least a common thread to these leftist positions. Both are tied to convenience, not, obviously to reverence for life:...]

I agree. Selfishness is at the heart of the majority of the left's positions, but they carefully try to hide behind an air of "moral superiority". It really is ludicrous. Another example is the left being against the death penalty, but supporting abortion.


14 posted on 06/16/2006 7:33:41 AM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: khnyny

Right, I see so many cars with one bumper sticker that says, "Stop the Death Penalty" and another next to the other tail light that says, "Keep Your Laws Off of My Body".

Actually both are a demand that society keep "its" laws off of the lefty's body.


15 posted on 06/16/2006 9:02:10 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: brownsfan
May also contribute to the left's contempt for the Church.

My former tagline was, "What do leftists, Islamists, and Jack Chick & his ilk have in common? Hatred of the Catholic Church."

16 posted on 06/16/2006 9:05:34 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: brownsfan

It should have been, The killing of innocent human beings either by terrorist or by abortionist should be opposed by all who believe in God's will.


17 posted on 06/16/2006 9:10:20 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Let's Roll

"Actually both are a demand that society keep "its" laws off of the lefty's body."

Yep. It would be interesting to know the political affiliation of the people on death row. Want to make a guess what the majority would be? Sometimes statistics can be enlightening.


18 posted on 06/16/2006 9:31:11 AM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: RexBeach

'This Spanish cardinal is spot on. God bless him.'

He also believes that if you do not support abortion, you must not support capital punishment - only God may decide on life or death.

Do you still think he's spot on?


19 posted on 06/16/2006 10:14:39 AM PDT by Vectorian
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To: Vectorian

Where did he say that in the article? Unless you're getting your info from other sources, I think you're making an assumption. His point was that all the good leftists of Spain - who are obsessed with capital punishment, which is not even done in Spain anymore (in fact, Spain barely punishes its criminals) - are hypocrites.


20 posted on 06/16/2006 7:03:13 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Hey NYer -

Did you see this article? Antonio Cañizares is one of the Cardinals elevated by Benedict a couple months ago.

an interview with him here:

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=3045


21 posted on 06/17/2006 8:34:56 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: Vectorian

Yes.


22 posted on 06/19/2006 6:04:10 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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