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Ehrlich appointee fired over remark Transit official equates gay lifestyle with deviancy
Baltimore Sun ^ | June 16, 2006 | Jennifer Skalka

Posted on 06/16/2006 10:26:15 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT

WASHINGTON // Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. fired one of his appointees to the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority yesterday after the board member asserted on a local cable talk show that homosexuals lived a life of "sexual deviancy."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: billofrights; catholic; constitutionlist; deviancy; ehrlich; faggovernor; fired; gaylifestyle; gaystapo; govwatch; homosexualagenda; libertarians
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We really must get rid of that pesky 1st Amendment. It interferes with the rights of a Republican Governor to fire an evil deviant christian who expresses his personal view off duty.
1 posted on 06/16/2006 10:26:18 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"Sexual deviancy" is the correct terminology, unless one thinks homosexuality is the norm, of course.


2 posted on 06/16/2006 10:29:22 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
Correct.

Deviance: (opposite of conformity). Any behaviour or physical appearance that departs from norms (established standards of behaviour) of the group

3 posted on 06/16/2006 10:35:11 PM PDT by bpjam (If we take 12M Mexicans, they have to take Kennedy & McCain!)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

What does the 1st Ammendment have to do with this?


4 posted on 06/16/2006 10:36:29 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: sageb1

My brother is a cop and was working plain clothes, they got assigned to a park that was known for gay sex after hours. He said, until then he never realized how deviant gays were. I know people will say hetero's can be just as bad but he said the things they came upon were beyond comprehension.


5 posted on 06/16/2006 10:36:32 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: Leatherneck_MT

My less ideological homosexual friends will admit the deviancy in what they do, the hardcore revel in it.


6 posted on 06/16/2006 10:40:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: panthermom
shhhhh...that's the other meaning of deviancy. ;)
7 posted on 06/16/2006 10:43:38 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Homosexuals are the new protected class, don't you know. How much longer will God tolerate this? I don't know, but it doesn't bode well for the USA. God wouldn't be just if He let us get away with it after He burnt Sodom and Gomorrah down to the bedrock for the same thing.


8 posted on 06/16/2006 10:43:41 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Way to show some leadership, Bob. Nice defense of the First Amendment.

BTW... Homosexuals are sexual deviants. When two people of the same gender can have sex and concieve a child, then I'll retract my previous statement.

Don't hold your breath waiting... I won't.


9 posted on 06/16/2006 10:59:30 PM PDT by rock_lobsta
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To: Leatherneck_MT

In an interview last night, Smith criticized Ehrlich for bowing to public pressure.

"At this juncture, I assume that the confrontation that arose today and the heat it generated was too much to take in an election year," he said.

"I'm disappointed that the governor's office kind of reacted with dispatch to a groundswell of press criticism without contacting me."


10 posted on 06/16/2006 11:10:05 PM PDT by MrCruncher
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To: Young Scholar
What does the 1st Ammendment have to do with this?

Are you sure you're on the right site?

11 posted on 06/16/2006 11:12:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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12 posted on 06/16/2006 11:13:40 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Bob Ehrlich is a RINO. And yeah, speaking out against the Gay Lobby can be hazardous to your public career. Do I believe gays live an immoral and unhealthy lifestyle? Absolutely - on here I can say it without fear. Working for the State Of Maryland, saying the same thing would get me fired in short order. RINOs and liberals are intolerant of people who do not are not moral relativists on matters of lifestyle choice.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

13 posted on 06/16/2006 11:14:03 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Ruh-Ro! Damn that free speech.


14 posted on 06/16/2006 11:14:18 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Metro officials said that unlike their employees, board members are not covered by the organization's anti-discrimination policy. Still, the transit authority's interim general manager, Dan Tangherlini, issued a letter to Metro's 10,000 employees last night reassuring them that the organization is committed to "fair and equal treatment of all employees."

"I want to take this opportunity to re-affirm to all WMATA employees that discrimination of any kind will not be tolerated," he wrote.

Unless you are a Christian or conservative.

15 posted on 06/16/2006 11:16:45 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: panthermom

Must be a cop in NJ. How many times did he spot our former governor, McGreevy!


16 posted on 06/17/2006 2:26:57 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: sageb1

"Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. fired one of his appointees to the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority yesterday after the board member asserted on a local cable talk show that homosexuals lived a life of "sexual deviancy.""

The truth hurts now doesn't it. Amen.


17 posted on 06/17/2006 3:00:54 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: CitizenUSA
I read a article by a lesbian preacher that claimed that God did not burn Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground killing all the deviants. He did it because the were greedy and not tolerant and compassionate. Amen.
18 posted on 06/17/2006 3:05:03 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. fired one of his appointees to the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority yesterday after the board member asserted on a local cable talk show that homosexuals lived a life of "sexual deviancy."

I'll bet he also fires public officials who claim that nighttime is dark.

It's odd how modernists believe that you can change the truth by simply claiming it is not the truth.

Shalom.

19 posted on 06/17/2006 3:07:10 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: sageb1
unless one thinks homosexuality is the norm, of course.

There is no definition of "normal" which homosexuality would fit.

A large number of the population aren't homosexual, so it's not normal that way.

The body is not designed to reproduce via homosexual sex, so it's not normal that way.

Most people have to be taught to not have a negative reaction to it so it's not normal that way.

When people claim homosexuality is "normal" what they really mean is there's nothing wrong with it. That's not the same thing at all. There's nothing wrong with walking around with pancakes on your head, but it's not normal.

But, of course, if they decided to discuss whether or not there were something wrong with it then they would be admitting the notion of right and wrong into the discussion, which is precisely what they do NOT want to do.

Shalom.

20 posted on 06/17/2006 3:12:09 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: rock_lobsta

Im not saying that I agree with the firing because I admit that I would not have fired Mr Smith.

However, in earlichs defense...
This was not the fight that he wanted to be involved in at this time. By firing Mr Smith he squelched the issue. Now the governor can tackle the bigger issues without this thing clouding the waters.

So I think that earlich was probably well served by his advisors to just dump the guy. After all, he served on the board as an appointee and can be removed for any reason. And it's easy to say that in this politically charged atmosphere you do have to watch what you say in public. Remember that maryland is a distinctly BLUE state and earlich is a GOP governor.

Except if you are a democrat and then you can say whatever you want and have your job and assets protected by the media and the 1st amendment. Because everyone knows that the GOP is the only accountable party.


21 posted on 06/17/2006 3:34:37 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

this guy should sue the pockets off the Governor and the state of MD


22 posted on 06/17/2006 3:53:39 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Young Scholar

Try freedom of speech

Sound familiar?


23 posted on 06/17/2006 4:07:20 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I'm a PROUD homophobe .


24 posted on 06/17/2006 5:43:11 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: Leatherneck_MT

The 1st Ammendment allows people to say (almost) anything without government restriction or punishment for that speech, but it does not protect people from other consequences of that speech. If Ehrlich had the right to hire and fire Smith at his discression, and Smith said something Ehrlich disapproved of, there is nothing in the 1st Ammendment preventing him from firing Smith as a result of that speech.

What would you be saying if Smith had said that called fundamentalists "crazy" or "evil"? Would his firing be justified then?


25 posted on 06/17/2006 8:03:31 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

Make that 1st "Amendment"; my spelling is terrible.


26 posted on 06/17/2006 8:05:36 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

Unlike you I will defend the right of any man or woman to say what they like.

I will and have, defended that decision with my blood, sweat and tears.

THAT is what the 1st Amendment is about.


27 posted on 06/17/2006 8:09:25 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
In Adler v Board of Education (1952) the Supreme Court ruled "You have a constitutional right to say and think as you will, but you have no constitutional right to work for the government." A few more recent cases have modified that traditional interpretation of the First Amendment, but none that would apply here.

I don't think it's good that Smith was fired either, but I won't go around falsely claiming the First Amendment protects him.

28 posted on 06/17/2006 8:25:49 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

You depend on the SCOTUS to define the Constitution?

Can you not read for yourself?

The SCOTUS has been a travesty. Do you think that a municipality that wants your land has the absolute right to move in and take it over so they can increase their tax base by giving it to a land developer too?

The SCOTUS is wrong on this issue. I don't need some gaggle of maggot lawyers to tell me that.

The man was wrongfully terminated because he said something when he was off duy. He was not acting in an official capacity. If his first amendment rights are not protected, then neither are yours and mine and if we don't start pushing back on this issue and condemning these asshats who do this and running them out of office, then we will in fact lose our rights and our country in very short order.

Ehrlich is my enemy.

He made himself so by this act. I swore to uphold and defend that constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic.

He is a domestic one.


29 posted on 06/17/2006 8:40:37 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Young Scholar

It is true that the first amendment does not protect speech other than political speech, and only against retaliation from government. Having said this, it still demonstrates that the mainstream cultural arbiters have their noses firmly entranched in the fannies of the homo lobby.


30 posted on 06/17/2006 8:47:24 AM PDT by foghornleghorn
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To: Leatherneck_MT
"Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech"

Can you tell me where that protects an employee from being fired for something he says? All it does is prevent government restriction of speech. It would take a very activist court to find the former protection in the First Amendment.

31 posted on 06/17/2006 8:51:36 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

Government employment.

Can you please tell me why a government employee can be fired for expressing a personal belief in his off duty hours?

Law, chapter and verse please.


32 posted on 06/17/2006 9:59:55 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

The law apparently allows Governor Ehrlich to hire and fire political appointees (such as Smith) at his discretion.


33 posted on 06/17/2006 10:10:14 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

and if you or I had done this, we would be hauled before a labor board and sued out of business.

Now if I private organization can't do this, pray tell how can a government, even a governor do this?


34 posted on 06/17/2006 10:12:02 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Can you please tell me why a government employee can be fired for expressing a personal belief in his off duty hours?

He wasn't a normal government employee, but an appointee who works at the pleasure of the governor. If Smith went on the air in his off duty hours and said that he was voting for the Democratic candidate in November, do you think he should be able to keep his political appointee job?

35 posted on 06/17/2006 10:13:30 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Leatherneck_MT
and if you or I had done this, we would be hauled before a labor board and sued out of business.

In most states, employers are free to fire employees for any reason, except those restricted by law (such as race, religion, or ethnicity).

36 posted on 06/17/2006 10:17:38 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

Oh please, Have you not noticed that only the Marxist Liberal can say what they want without repercussions, and when they come they scream First Amendment protection? Ward Churchill, the Dixie Chicks, Gay activist, are never punished for what they say, no matter how gross or disgusting. The left is using our laws against us, and then cry protection when in trouble.


37 posted on 06/17/2006 10:18:18 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: sageb1

Sticking your tounge up someguys rear.


38 posted on 06/17/2006 10:19:08 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: Young Scholar

"In most states, employers are free to fire employees for any reason, except those restricted by law (such as race, religion, or ethnicity)."

Religion

You just validated my point.

Now, explain what power is given to any governor that is more powerful than the rights of a Citizen's right to free speech.


39 posted on 06/17/2006 10:28:14 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Great, so if a kindergarten teacher starts talking about gay sex in front on his class, you're going to say he's protected from being fired by the 1st Amendment too.

Your job is not protected by the Constitution if your boss doesn't like what you say. That's the free market and that's the law, with very specific exceptions for things like whistleblowing and sexual harassment retaliation.


40 posted on 06/17/2006 10:31:22 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Leatherneck_MT

He wasn't fired for his religion, he was fired for expressing a viewpoint that the governor considered inappropriate. If an appointed member of the Bush administration (say, a Menonite) expressed his view that the Iraq War was immoral (because of his pacifist religion, of course), would that be protected speech? Would Bush be unjustified in firing him?


41 posted on 06/17/2006 10:31:58 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

Look, this guy is not up on employment law--his comment that this is a case of religious discrimination proves it. I applaud your efforts to educate him but I suspect it will be a lost cause.


42 posted on 06/17/2006 10:32:58 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Exton1

That's disgusting. Thanks.


43 posted on 06/17/2006 10:36:24 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: HostileTerritory
I applaud your efforts to educate him but I suspect it will be a lost cause.

No doubt, but I have little better to do on a rainy Saturday afternoon.

44 posted on 06/17/2006 10:38:24 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: Young Scholar

Where in New York State are you? It's a hot, beautiful day in Boston.


45 posted on 06/17/2006 10:53:45 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Young Scholar
What would you be saying if Smith had said that called fundamentalists "crazy" or "evil"? Would his firing be justified then?

The firing may be legal; however, it was not justified on anything other than pleasing the delusional homosexually disordered that were screaming for Mr. Smith's head --ALL because he correctly identified their sexual acrobatics as deviant disordered behavior...

The homosexual emperor has no clothes...

46 posted on 06/17/2006 11:00:00 AM PDT by DBeers ()
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More on the Governor Ehrlich kneejerk firing fiasco...

47 posted on 06/17/2006 11:02:17 AM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: panthermom

The world thinks they behave like the characters on "Will and Grace."


48 posted on 06/17/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: DBeers

Yes, I can agree the firing was probably excessive. It wasn't the best move for a public official to publicly say what Smith did, but it was hardly untrue.


49 posted on 06/17/2006 11:39:14 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: HostileTerritory

I'm actually in Hartford right now, but I'm from the Hudson Valley (just south of Poughkeepsie). I almost made a trip to Boston for the weekend--it sounds as though I should have.


50 posted on 06/17/2006 11:40:40 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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