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Tension Builds Between L.A. Mayor, Angelides
LA Times ^ | June 17, 2006 | Michael Finnegan

Posted on 06/17/2006 6:52:35 AM PDT by ncountylee

Tension between Antonio Villaraigosa and Democratic gubernatorial nominee Phil Angelides surfaced Friday as the Los Angeles mayor declined to say whether he backed his own party's candidate to unseat Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The rift between two of California's top Democrats became clear just after they appeared with Magic Johnson to celebrate the opening of a Starbucks on Crenshaw Boulevard.

Minutes after Villaraigosa's tepid remarks on his candidacy, Angelides refused to take a stand on Villaraigosa's plan to take over the Los Angeles public schools.

The dual snubs were part of a broad conflict between the two Democrats.

Villaraigosa is torn between party loyalty and the potential rewards offered by his new alliance with the Republican governor. He plans to campaign with Schwarzenegger for bond measures on the November ballot that could offer Los Angeles billions of dollars for schools, housing and traffic relief. And the governor would decide where much of that bounty went.

There is also a matter of personal ambition: Villaraigosa is widely seen as a top Democratic candidate for governor in 2010 — provided that Angelides loses.

For Angelides, support from Villaraigosa, a major political star, is crucial, especially in Southern California. But the mayor's top priority is his school takeover plan. And it should come as no surprise that Angelides is distancing himself from that: The effort's No. 1 opponent, the California Teachers Assn., has spent more than $1 million promoting Angelides for governor.

With that backdrop, the mayor was less than enthusiastic when asked outside Starbucks whether he supported his party's nominee for governor.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: angelides; caelection; calelection; calgov2006; newalliance; schwarzenegger; villaraigosa
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1 posted on 06/17/2006 6:52:36 AM PDT by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee
"There are no illegals here" Villaraigosa and "the mad taxer" Angelides are the wave of California's political future I'm afraid. Especially if amnesty is passed.
2 posted on 06/17/2006 6:53:12 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee
Si, amigo! The Mayor, he eez goin to be the next Governor.
3 posted on 06/17/2006 6:54:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: ncountylee
"With that backdrop, the mayor was less than enthusiastic when asked outside Starbucks whether he supported his party's nominee for governor."

He'd have perked right up if they'd asked him what he thinks of reconquesta!

4 posted on 06/17/2006 6:56:37 AM PDT by norton
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To: ncountylee; calcowgirl; Amerigomag; NormsRevenge; Czar; fieldmarshaldj; editor-surveyor; ...
Villaraigosa is torn between party loyalty and the potential rewards offered by his new alliance with the Republican governor. He plans to campaign with Schwarzenegger for bond measures on the November ballot that could offer Los Angeles billions of dollars for schools, housing and traffic relief. And the governor would decide where much of that bounty went.

There is also a matter of personal ambition: Villaraigosa is widely seen as a top Democratic candidate for governor in 2010 — provided that Angelides loses.

Oh goody! The RINOs are promoting the little MEChista!

Bustamante! Bustamante! Bustamante! < /FO>

And what did all that fear-mongering it get us FO? Instead of a fat, greasy, incompetent, easily-defeatable two-bit crook LaRazoid Bustamante your hero is promoting an attractive, smooth, sneaky, and somewhat competently evil leftist Villaraigosa with BILLIONS in bond money! They'll even loan us the money from their tax-exempt banks! Isn't that nice of them?

Now there's irony for you.

The New Majority doesn't care how much of your money it costs to get this creep elected, even if it takes buying off the LA educrats! The globothug betrayal of California to Mexico proceeds unabated.

Oh thank you Arnold! What a great Republican is so magnanimous a leader with our money that he promotes extreme leftist Democrats, probects Democrats from accountability for ruining the lives of countless Hispanic kids, and inches forward defaulting California to Mexico!

5 posted on 06/17/2006 7:31:25 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Oh thank you Arnold!

Arnold seems to be joining the unlimited health care for illegal alien children crowd to attract even more filthy invaders. Funded solely by state taxes, no federal money involved in this monstrosity.

6 posted on 06/17/2006 7:49:32 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

the Sacratamato gang what the kiddies covered under the Fed/State Healthy Families program. So lots of taxpayers $$$, and we get bupkis


7 posted on 06/17/2006 7:53:30 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: BenLurkin

Villaraigosa is very, Very ambitious----he has already been to the east coast to ostensibly meet with NYC RINO Mayor Bloomberg---and you can bet your sweet bippe Villaraigosa is lining up reconquistas and other invader groups to subsidize and organize his plans to take over the White House.


8 posted on 06/17/2006 8:00:22 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: ncountylee

Angelides is a rat faced loser lib. If he wins, I will never move back to California.


9 posted on 06/17/2006 8:04:01 AM PDT by Gaetano
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To: Gaetano
Can you imagine this dweeby geek as governor of the largest state in the country and the 7th largest economy in the world:

10 posted on 06/17/2006 8:30:04 AM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: ncountylee

I'm going to run out of popcorn before this who's-the-slimiest-dem laughfest is over.


11 posted on 06/17/2006 8:30:19 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: ncountylee

Awe, Democrats fighting. Music to my ears.


12 posted on 06/17/2006 9:58:22 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Carry_Okie


Villaraigosa has ambitions to be CA governor, and he has an excellent shot at it too in four years -- UNLESS Angelides becomes governor this November.

THIS is the real reason that Villaraigosa is not enthusiastic about Angelides.


13 posted on 06/17/2006 11:57:08 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Carry_Okie

And conservatives need to support Arnold now when he needs it, so when McClintock will run in 2010, Arnold will support him -- he will need it.

If so-called conservatives support Angelides this November, -- by staying home, voting third party, or even voting for Angelides, to defeat the "RINO" Arnold (I put "RINO" in quotes, because Arnold is NOT a RINO, but some claim he is, who rather have Angelides) -- and Arnold will win anyway, then maybe Arnold will indeed be fed up enough with the so-called conservatives, who are never there to support him, that he won't lift a finger to help McClintock when he runs for governor. And don't kid yourself that it won't make any difference.

By not supporting Arnold today, you may either get us Angelides for the next 8 years, or Arnold wins despite your non-support, then in 2010 you can be pleased that you have only yourselves to blame if Villaraigosa defeats McClintock.



14 posted on 06/17/2006 12:05:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
...Conservatives need to support Arnold now when he needs it, so when McClintock will run in 2010, Arnold will support him -- he will need it.

Tom has made this very clear.

16 posted on 06/17/2006 12:28:23 PM PDT by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: ncountylee

17 posted on 06/17/2006 1:53:55 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Carry_Okie
Villaraigosa is torn between party loyalty and the potential rewards offered by his new alliance with the Republican governor.

Schwarzenegger has done more to advance the left's agenda than any Democrat Governor could have ever dreamed of. Why is he torn? This "alliance" has been in work for some time.

18 posted on 06/17/2006 2:00:38 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Gaetano
Angelides is a rat faced loser lib. If he wins, I will never move back to California.

Even if he loses, I will never move back to Mexifor....er, I mean, California.

19 posted on 06/17/2006 2:04:35 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: Liz

Villaraigosa...in addition to having questionable credentials, he is a member of MEChA. The takeover of California begins.


20 posted on 06/17/2006 2:07:32 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: FairOpinion

If Villaraigosa becomes CA governor, the state is in big trouble. You might as well fence it off from the rest of the USA.


21 posted on 06/17/2006 2:10:31 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: SMM48

His MEChA connections shows he is a completely corrupt indivdual, capable of anything. And this will be his downfall.

Course the reconquistas will tolerate his corruption---but the rest of the voters won't.

As well, Villaraigosa may be ambitious but I doubt whether he can carry the heavy water needed for the job. He'll screw up---sooner or later.


22 posted on 06/17/2006 3:47:09 PM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: All; SMM48
Villaraigosa.....plans to campaign for bond measures on the November ballot that could offer Los Angeles billions of dollars for schools, housing and traffic relief......the governor would decide where much of that bounty went.

FREEPER ACTIVISM Illegal aliens most probably filled out fraudulent official documents using forged documents and phony SS numbers in order to vote on tax-exempt bond issues. The improper use of tax-exempt bonding and spending of state and municipal tax funds through illegal means would jeopardize investors and holders of tax-exempt bonds. The SEC should be advised of these abuses. EMAIL enforcement@SEC.gov

FREEPER ACTIVISM Moreover, if the state and municipalities colluded with banks to misuse the sanctioning power of the FDIC in improper ways, to engage in illegal activity with tax-exempt government funds, that should be pursued with the FDIC.

Banks doing business with municipalities that are conducting illegal activity are jeopardizing bank patrons, shareholders, and depositors and should be reported as follows: The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) is the primary federal regulator for national banks. The OCC's Customer Assistance Group is available to assist customers with questions or complaints concerning national banks. Email to Customer.Assistance@occ.treas.gov. General information about the Customer Assistance Group is available on their web site: http://www.occ.treas.gov/customer.htm.

You can reach one of the OCC Customer Assistance Specialists by calling toll free number, 1-800-613-6743, Monday-Thursday, 9-4, and Friday 9-3.

FREEPER ACTIVISM State and municipal bonding agents, and banks, doing business with government agencies are registered broker-dealers and members of the National Association of Securities Dealers (NASD) and the Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC). NASD and SIPC should also be contacted regarding any concerns about illegal activity.

FREEPER ACTIVISM Now, if duly elected federal, state, county and municipal, officials are demanding and encouraging ILLEGALS to break the law, to obtain the unlawful right to vote, and if elected and appointed officals did, in fact, allow illegals to break the law to serve on municipal councils, and if illegals are making monetary (taxing) decisions for US Citizens, this might be a violation of the Hobbs Act.

If elected and appointed officials took campaign contributions from said illegals, this could be characterized as extortion, and/or bribery, and a violation of the Hobbs Act.

The Hobbs Act was used recently to nail four Tenn state legislators and their aids in an extortion scheme. The TENN groups was arrested under the federal Hobbs Act, charging extortion, conspiracy to extort and attempted extortion, and accepting bribes by an agent of the state. The Hobbs Act covers extortion by public officials by Force, Violence, or Fear

FREEPER ACTIVISM And of course, the improper use and abuse of tax-exempt bonding referenda and the improper budgeting of funds raised from bonding through fraudulent means should be reported to your local IRS office.

23 posted on 06/17/2006 4:33:06 PM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: calcowgirl

"Schwarzenegger has done more to advance the left's agenda than any Democrat Governor could have ever dreamed of. "

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That is YOUR OPINION, and it's WRONG and NOT supported by facts.

Here you are again, pushing Angelides for governor.

I don't want to repeat myself, so please read my post 13 and 14 on this thread, especially 14.


24 posted on 06/17/2006 4:41:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: calcowgirl
I hope Villaraigosa endorses Arnold.

Conservatives should be concerned with the END RESULT: if Arnold does't win, that will mean 8 years of Angelides destroying CA, which was just pulled back from the brink by Arnold.

I remind everyone of the great Vincent Lombardi Quote:

Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

25 posted on 06/17/2006 4:44:37 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: All
Now most states require public officials to be bonded by law in their capacity as fiduciaries of the public's monies. The express purpose of bonding is to protect the public's money. Each state sets their own regulations. Now, say public funds went missing and the public official failed to get bond coverage; the state would have no way to recover that money other than restitution through a criminal prosecution.

FREEPER ACTIVISM If you can determine a public official doesn't have bond coverage, that could be an actionable offense in and of itself (depending on state law).

Also, if a public official who is bonded had previous financial problems---perhaps a bankruptcy or a firing for financial improprieties, etc---that they failed to reveal to bonding agents, that might subject them to legal penalties.

Classes covered by individual bonding include: Municipalities, counties, townships, school districts, ambulance districts, volunteer fire departments, community college districts, public universities, transit authorities, landfills, sewage treatment facilities, public works maintenance facilities, airports.

Now if and when bonded elected officials allowed government agencies to misuse tax dollars----- say the agency allowed illegal aliens using phony documentation to get government benefits, to obtain welfare, health coverage, education benefits, government-backed mortgages, to vote fraudulently on taxing and public bond issues ........this is classifed as fiduciary negligence, and could (1) violate the state's bonding regulations, and (2) the bonding requirements of the carrier.

26 posted on 06/17/2006 4:49:50 PM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: FairOpinion
Record spending increases, record debt, and more GLBT legislation and appointments. And then there is the environmental nonsense. Facts support my opinion, FO, and they are right there for the world to see--even if you would like to bury them.
This summer Schwarzenegger will showcase his Climate Action Plan, which includes a bill he's backing to cap the state's greenhouse-gas emissions. "He is the greenest governor in the country, bar none," says Ralph Cavanaugh of the Natural Resources Defense Council, who gave Schwarzenegger his personal endorsement.

27 posted on 06/17/2006 5:40:57 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: FairOpinion

You don't think there is just a teeny problem with the Mechista Villaraigosa endorsing Arnold and his agenda?

What does that tell you about Arnold's agenda, FO?


28 posted on 06/17/2006 5:52:19 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rottndog

29 posted on 06/17/2006 5:59:46 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Lizavetta

At least the guy on the right is funny.


30 posted on 06/17/2006 6:06:43 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: FairOpinion

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31 posted on 06/17/2006 6:15:58 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Carry_Okie; calcowgirl; Amerigomag; SierraWasp
"Oh thank you Arnold! What a great Republican is so magnanimous a leader with our money that he promotes extreme leftist Democrats, probects Democrats from accountability for ruining the lives of countless Hispanic kids, and inches forward defaulting California to Mexico!"

If what I hear around here (Orange County) is any indication, Arnold is going to have a very, very tough time getting himself reelected.

I didn't vote for him in the primary and I will not vote for him in the general.

32 posted on 06/17/2006 6:26:20 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: calcowgirl

"You don't think there is just a teeny problem with the Mechista Villaraigosa endorsing Arnold and his agenda? "


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Well, it couldn't hurt for Republicans to take advantage of a rift between two Democrats, for once. The Dems have been planting the seeds and fanning the flames of division among Republicans, to improve their chances of winning. You certainly should know all about it, with your continuous attacks on Arnold, trying to sow division between Arnold and the conservatives, even when McClintock is running WITH Arnold -- division, which BENEFITS ANGELIDES and everyone knows that.


33 posted on 06/17/2006 6:29:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
Arnold will support him -- he will need it.

Arnold has already shown the predisposition to reneg on his support for McClintock.

I put "RINO" in quotes, because Arnold is NOT a RINO, but some claim he is,

Given that the majority of his appointments have been Democrats, this is one of the most dishonest posts I have ever seen on FreeRepublic.

then maybe Arnold will indeed be fed up enough with the so-called conservatives, who are never there to support him, that he won't lift a finger to help McClintock when he runs for governor. And don't kid yourself that it won't make any difference.

Plenty of conservatives were fool enough to be bullied into supporting him during the recall and now regret it. He repaid that support with the back of his hand.

By not supporting Arnold today, you may either get us Angelides for the next 8 years,

Ooo, more FEAR mongering. Given that this state recalled Gray Davis, this bald faced assertion has no support. Angeleides will be far worse than Davis ever dreamed.

34 posted on 06/17/2006 6:30:59 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

"Arnold has already shown the predisposition to reneg on his support for McClintock."


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Another assertion not supported by any facts.
Actually even shortly after the recall election, when McC ran against Arnold, Arnold went and did some major fundraising for Tom McClintock's reelection campaign.


35 posted on 06/17/2006 7:23:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: SMM48
If Villaraigosa becomes CA governor, the state is in big trouble. You might as well fence it off from the rest of the USA.

It'll never happen conservatives remaining in CA won't stand for it.

36 posted on 06/17/2006 7:28:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: FairOpinion
Another assertion not supported by any facts.

Unlike you, I can.

...... One other thing: Arnold looks to be going solo in his first big campaign trip. Remember that fuzzy warm stuff about Lt. Gov. candidate Tom McClintock being on the ticket? Well, plans for multiple buses to accommodate a couple of the downticket GOPers have been scrapped

Actually even shortly after the recall election, when McC ran against Arnold, Arnold went and did some major fundraising for Tom McClintock's reelection campaign.

Which, of course, has NOTHING to do with what I posted, which was about Arnold quite recently withdrawing support for Tom's campaign for Lieutenant Governor.

37 posted on 06/17/2006 7:30:35 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

"One other thing: Arnold looks to be going solo in his first big campaign trip. "

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BIG DEAL. Arnold and Tom are not joined at the hip.

This is a sign of nothing.

Only in the minds of those who are trying to drive a wedge between Arnold and Tom, is this the sign of Arnold not running with Tom.

Oh, wait, who are those who want to drive a wedge between Arnold and Tom? The Democrats.

Oops -- your Dem slip is showing -- again.


How can Phil Angelides beat Gov. Schwarzenegger in November? Let me count the ways …

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1649630/posts


No. 5:...."Exploiting the wedge between the governor and his running mate will irritate the Republican party faithful--and solidify Democrats fearful of the remotest possibility of McClintock ending up in the corner office."



38 posted on 06/17/2006 7:36:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
Sorry, I didn't test the link.

Here's the source for my prior post.

39 posted on 06/17/2006 7:36:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: FairOpinion
BIG DEAL. Arnold and Tom are not joined at the hip.

Arnold CANCELED plans to run with the down ticket candidates as soon as he had the nomination. Most of them, except for Poisner, are conservatives.

THE FIRST MOMENT he had the opportunity, he abandoned them. That is a big deal.

40 posted on 06/17/2006 7:38:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Arnold has a tough race -- it isn't going to help the other R candidates, if Arnold gets defeated, then they will too. Their only chance is to be sept in on Arnold's coat tails.

You still are denying reality, that there are NO Republicans elected to statewide office, outside of Arnold.


41 posted on 06/17/2006 7:40:22 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
Arnold has a tough race --

Offering excuses already I see. Horse pucky. Arnold has his preferred opponent in Angeleides. It was Westley who would have been tougher.

-- it isn't going to help the other R candidates, if Arnold gets defeated, then they will too. Their only chance is to be sept in on Arnold's coat tails.

McClintock would be chucking his favorable ratings (which are FAR higher than Arnold's) were he to pander too much to Arnold's agenda. He would lose the trust of his base and gain nothing from anyone else. His best option is to stay true to his principles.

42 posted on 06/17/2006 7:59:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You are looking for any excuse and if there isn't one, you make them up, to bash Arnold, and HELP ANGELIDES.

Your message is all too obvious.

Conservatives aren't stupid, to swallow the propaganda of "let's get rid of Arnold, even if it gets us Angelides'.

NO REAL conservative falls for this.

Only the DICCs (Democrats In Conservatives Clothing)are spreading and pretending to buy this message, to try to con conservatives into staying home and making it easier for Angelides.

The DICCs have been and are continue to be unmasked.

The new 'Republicans vote on Wednesday' game (FR Mentioned) (article full text)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613957/posts?page=87#87


"Or my favorite: “I’m a Reagan Republican, but I’m fed up and voting for John Kerry.” (Because that is what Reagan Republicans would do, vote for John Kerry.) At this point, the host usually asks a couple of questions and it becomes painfully obvious that the supposed Reagan Republican has probably never voted for anyone left of Michael Dukakis.

The intentions are clear: the caller hopes to make it appear as though there is already a large uprising of conservatives who are rebelling against GOP candidates, and thus, wishes to incite other Republicans to pick up the same attitude and pass it along, leading to the Democrat becoming more competitive. The successes of such a strategy on voting habits are unclear, especially given that the conservative radio host often refutes the caller’s talking points.

But the pretend-conservative act is being carried onto a whole new playing field, one that has become wildly influential over the past few years and one that does not stand to be instantly recognized as a fake. That playing field is the blogosphere, which is then used in conjunction with massive e-mailings to “spread the word” (as one e-mailer insisted I do to my readers/e-mail list) to other conservatives.

The concept is the same: the blog or e-mail claims, first, that the said writer has been a conservative for years and that they have “had it with Republicans.” They then point to an issue that conservatives would likely be upset about such as excessive spending, immigration, or the expansion of government. Their supposed rage over the issue has convinced them to either not show up to vote in 2006, or, in order to really show Republicans, vote for the Democrat instead. "


43 posted on 06/17/2006 8:24:50 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion; ncountylee; calcowgirl; Amerigomag; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; AuH2ORepublican; ...

FairOpinion: "By not supporting Arnold today, you may either get us Angelides for the next 8 years, or Arnold wins despite your non-support, then in 2010 you can be pleased that you have only yourselves to blame if Villaraigosa defeats McClintock."


Record for RINO Governors handing off their offices to Conservative/GOP successors (since 1988):

AL: Not applicable
AK: Not applicable
AZ: Jane Dee Hull (RINO), succeeded by Janet Napolitano (D)
AR: Outcome unknown until November (Huckabee, RINO)
CA: Pete Wilson (RINO), succeeded by Grey Davis (D)
CO: Outcome unknown until November (Owens, RINO)
CT: Likely successful pass of office from RINO John Rowland to RINO incumbent Jodi Rell
DE: Mike Castle (RINO), succeeded by Tom Carper (D)
FL: Bob Martinez (RINO incumbent) defeated by Lawton Chiles (D)
GA: Not applicable
HI: Not applicable (possible outcome in November for incumbent)
ID: Not applicable
IL: Bill Thompson (RINO) to Jim Edgar (RINO) to George Ryan (RINO), succeeded by Rod Blagojevich (D)
IN: Not applicable
IA: Not applicable (though Branstad considered RINO by some, in which case successor, Tom Vilsack (D))
KS: Mike Hayden (RINO) defeated by Joan Finney (DINO) & Bill Graves (RINO) succeeded by Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius (D)
KY: Not applicable
LA: Not applicable (though Foster considered RINO by some, in which case successor Blanco (D))
ME: Jock McKernan (RINO), succeeded by liberal Angus King (I)
MD: Not applicable (possible outcome in November for incumbent)
MA: The RINO hegemony, Weld-Cellucci-Swift-Romney, will likely come to an end this fall
MI: Not applicable
MN: Arne Carlson (RINO), succeeded by liberal Jesse Ventura (I)
MS: Not applicable
MO: Not applicable
MT: Not applicable (though some consider Martz to be a RINO)
NE: Kay Orr (RINO), defeated by Ben Nelson (DINO)
NV: Outcome unknown until November (Guinn, RINO)
NH: Not applicable
NJ: Tom Kean (RINO) succeeded by Jim Florio (D); Christie Whitman/Donnie DiFrancesco (RINOs) succeeded by Jim McGreevey (D)
NM: Not applicable (though some considered Gary Johnson a RINO, he was a Libertarian)
NY: Outcome unknown (though likely D) until November (Pataki, RINO)
NC: Not applicable
ND: Not applicable
OH: Successful RINO handoff from Voinovich to Taft, but ultimate outcome in November
OK: Not applicable
OR: Not applicable
PA: Tom Ridge (RINO), temporary successor Schweiker a Conservative, but went to Rendell (D)
RI: Ed DiPrete (RINO) defeated by Bruce Sundlun (D), 1990; Successful RINO to Conservative handoff from Lincoln Almond to Don Carcieri ONLY successful move from Liberal RINO to Conservative in 20 years, not counting SD)
SC: Not applicable (but some argue David Beasley a RINO, I say he was an unsuccessful Conservative)
SD: William Janklow (RINO) to Mike Rounds (R), successful handoff
TN: Lamar Alexander (RINO) succeeded by Ned McWherter (D); Don Sundquist (RINO) succeeded by Phil Bredesen (D)
TX: Not applicable
UT: Not applicable (though Leavitt was a borderline RINO)
VT: Not applicable (not counting death of Richard Snelling (RINO), succeeded by Howard Dean (D)
VA: Not applicable
WA: Not applicable (have to go back to 1984 to the last RINO Governor)
WV: Not applicable
WI: Some consider Scott McCallum a RINO, which would count as a loss to Jim Doyle (D)
WY: Not applicable

In total, out of 50 states going back 18 years, you have:

Not applicable (meaning either no GOP Governor or Dem to Dem successions, or Conservative handing off to another Conservative, not counting Conservative to RINO, or Conservative being succeeded or defeated by a Dem): 18 (AL,AK,GA,ID,IN,KY,MI,MS,MO,NH,NC,ND,OK,OR,TX,VA,WA,WV,WY)
Clear loss of RINO to Democrat: 12 (AZ,CA,DE,FL,IL,KS,ME,MN,NE,NJ,PA,TN)
RINO to Democrat due to death: 1 (VT)
Unclear/Contested Appraisal of whether Governor a RINO with a Dem successor: 7 (IA,LA,MT,NM,SC,UT,WI)
Undetermined final outcome: 8 (CO,CT,HI,MD,MA,NV,NY,OH)
Previously Successful RINO to RINO: 3 (IL,MA,OH)
Successful RINO to Conservative: 2 (RI,SD)

In other words, in 18 years, you have only one election out of all 50 states (2002: Rhode Island) where a somewhat liberal Republican was succeeded by a Conservative Republican one (and that largely because the Democrat was viewed as an unpopular nut). In the case of SD (also 2002), the incumbent Janklow was a RINO not because of policy (which was fairly Conservative), but because of his personal conduct and selfishness that aided and abetted Democrat federal victories.

The chances that Ah-nold as a liberal RINO would hand off the Gubernatorial office to a Conservative (McClintock) at the next election has such a slim chance of happening as to be virtually impossible. Again, out of 225 individual elections nationwide since 1988, only 2 Conservatives succeeded RINOs. That means a 1 in 112 1/2 chance. That's a 0.88% chance that McClintock will be successful. Anyone seriously want to take those odds ?




By the way, I thought I'd do a quick canvass of these same elections and found 12 elections with which Republicans or RINOs dislodged Democrat incumbents since 1988:

9 Republicans defeating sitting Democrat incumbents:
AL-2 (Fob James d. Jim Folsom, Jr - 1994; Bob Riley d. Don Siegelman - 2002)
GA (Sonny Perdue d. Roy Barnes - 2002)
MI (John Engler d. Jim Blanchard - 1990)
MS-2 (Kirk Fordice d. Ray Mabus - 1991; Haley Barbour d. Ronnie Musgrove - 2003)
NM (Gary Johnson d. Bruce King - 1994)
NY (George Pataki d. Mario Cuomo - 1994)
TX (George W. Bush d. Ann Richards - 1994)

3 RINOs defeating sitting Democrat incumbents:
CA (Ah-nold d. Gray Davis - 2003)
MN (Arne Carlson d. Rudy Perpich - 1990)
NJ (Christie Whitman d. Jim Florio - 1993)

In any event, were Angelides the incumbent Governor, McClintock would have a 1 in 19 odds of defeating him. Formidable, but better than a 1 in 112 1/2 odds, don't you think ?


44 posted on 06/17/2006 8:30:15 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: FairOpinion
You are looking for any excuse and if there isn't one, you make them up, to bash Arnold, and HELP ANGELIDES.

Liar. I didn't have to make anything up. I found evidence that exactly supported what I said and provided a source. In response you put up your characteristic smokescreen and hurl baseless attacks.

Arnold is already using his power within the party to withdraw resources from down ticket candidates. Best you tell your minders that he'd better not do it again.

45 posted on 06/17/2006 8:31:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That is pretty impressive research, but how many "RINO" governors had "non RINO" Pubbie lieutenant governors? Will or will not McClintock being elected L. governor increase his chances of becoming governor?


46 posted on 06/17/2006 8:33:22 PM PDT by Torie
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Not that facts mean anything to you, BUT for those who are interested in facts:

No elected Republicans in CA in a statewide office, except Arnold.

And of course the voter demographics:

CALIFORNIA VOTER AND PARTY PROFILES

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/JTF_VoterProfilesJTF.pdf


"The Democratic Party currently has an advantage of 1.4 million voters over the Republican Party (7.1 million to 5.7 million) or 9 percentage points (43% to 34%), according to the Secretary of State.

Among those most likely to vote in this year’s elections, Democrats outnumber Republicans by a 7-point margin (44% to 37%), while 15 percent of likely voters are registered as independents.

... the fact that independents are more likely to lean toward Democrats than Republicans (42% to 28%) tends to work to the disadvantage of the GOP in statewide elections."


47 posted on 06/17/2006 8:35:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Torie

I might add that McClintock's best chance would be to be elected L. Governor while Arnold goes down. That is not at all impossible if the election is close. But most of McClintock's vote will be a reflection of Arnold's vote. But not all. For those who want McClintock to become governor, voting for him and against Arnold is not irrational. It might just work. Will I do that? No, and McClintock is the shining light in a gold state desert.


48 posted on 06/17/2006 8:36:23 PM PDT by Torie
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To: FairOpinion

The trick is to support Arnold publically, to help McClintock, but secretly vote against Arnold. I hope that helps.


49 posted on 06/17/2006 8:37:33 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Carry_Okie

You can try to twist and squirm all you want, that doesn't change the bottom line that in November either Arnold gets reelected, or Angelides will be the new governor.

Bashing Arnold HELPS ANGELIDES.

Your continued attacks on Arnold help Angelides. FACT. PERIOD.


50 posted on 06/17/2006 8:37:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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