Skip to comments.Base to Bush: Stop illegals
Posted on 06/19/2006 10:23:58 AM PDT by kellynla
Top conservative leaders have written President Bush telling him to drop his insistence on a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship for illegal aliens and instead support the 85 percent of congressional Republicans who want to tighten law enforcement first.
Signers include William J. Bennett, Robert H. Bork, Ward Connerly, David A. Keene, Phyllis Schlafly and a number of think-tank academics and pundits.
The immigration debate is the first major issue on which Mr. Bush finds himself opposing a majority of Republicans in Congress and depending on Democrats to deliver a victory. In their letter, the conservatives tell Mr. Bush to side with his fellow Republicans in Congress or risk repeating the 1986 immigration law that promised enforcement and amnesty but delivered only the amnesty.
"Border and interior enforcement must be funded, operational, implemented and proven successful and only then can we debate the status of current illegal immigrants or the need for new guest-worker programs," 39 conservative leaders write in the letter, to be released today. A copy was obtained yesterday by The Washington Times. The letter was addressed as well to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert of Illinois and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee.
Across the House and Senate, 85 percent of Republicans voted either for the House bill, which is an enforcement-only bill, or against the Senate bill, which dramatically increases immigration and offers a new right to citizenship for illegal aliens.
"That's pretty overwhelming among congressional Republicans. That shows a distance from [Senate bill sponsors Sens. John McCain and Edward M. Kennedy] and what the White House has been saying recently," John Fonte, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute who is helping organize the letter, said in an interview.
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I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and REALLY want to consider it as a case of the former, as opposed to the latter, for if so--and as I'm convinced he is NOT stupid--then its a sell-out to special interest, globalist (which I'm somewhat inclined to believe he's sympathetic towards)big business, Chamber, etc., and cares not what the majority of us Conservatives want; which would be very detrimental to his presidency, his legacy, as well as the Republican Party.
Oh boy, another one. That's a useless strategy. Disengage from the political process and don't complain about the results. If you won't vote for politicians who do support your wishes, don't be surprised that you won't get what you want.
If you want something to happen, you have to get involved.
Bull! This one needs a stake in the heart. I won't beleive its dead till I smell its rotting corpse. A politician saying something is dead means nothing to me.
I seriously doubt it.
What I meant is perhaps as a shrewd politician (which he is not to mention his Guru, Karl) he will no doubt (and here its wishful thinking) see the results of the elections, whereby, those who are for strong border enforcement and opposed Amnesty, fare better than those who don't and will "see the light?"
Have fun being completely politically irrelevant the rest of your lives. Life requires compromise. HERE is what happens when you all indulge in this sort of feverish 100%erism.
Ok, you "break" with the Republicans because YOU personally are not getting ONLY 100% of ONLY what YOU personally want. So wander off with the rest of the whiners and form your own group. Let's call it the "Real American Party"
So you all feel peachy until suddenly Issue Such and such comes up. Well suddenly some of you have ONE side and the some the other. So what happens. Same thing, "You are betraying me, I hate you, Whaaa!" and you splinter into the "Real American Party" the the "Ultra Real American Party" and then issue B and the Ultra Reals suddenly split with the Ultra Conservative Real American party forming and so on and so on and so on and so forth until it you and 6 of your relatives sitting around telling each other how great it is you all are so ideologically pure!
You will be completely irrelevant and get 100% of NOTHING politically but, boy, you can all sit around Freeper and pat each other on the back about how dogmatically pure you are. Whee will that not be some fun! Irrelevant but Pure. There is a catchy slogan for your "third party"!
To be effective at anything in life, but especially politics, requires the ability to build a coalition. NONE of you fanatic 100%er seem willing to grasp that basic fact.
Unless you're referring to a third party take-over of the democRAT party, you couldn't be more wrong. Republicans voting for a third party will elect the democRATS with disastorous consequences.
do you even bother to read posts addressed to you
TAKE ME OFF YOUR PING LIST!
Why would "Americans" get thrown out? You do know that ILLEGAL INVADERS are not "Americans", right?
Ok. Like what?
I am right there wishfully thinking with you!
Why does he bother to fight the war on terror when they can just cross the border so easily? With a water, bread and a welcome mat. Seems hypocritical.
C'mon, you know better than that, MNJ. The House may be saying that to our faces but I'll bet your monthly salary there is negotiiations going on behind the scene.
BASE TO BUSH: You will hear us come November!
(Base to Bush: Stop illegals)
He's going to. He's asked Congress to make them citizen's...what more do you want. Whiners! Sheesh!
And you are the type who will compromise on everything so that eventually you have nothing. Some things are not up for compromise. Integrity, WOT, The life of my children, American sovereignty, That which has been passed down for our protection to pass down to our posterity and been protected with the blood of our/my ancestors and patriots.
Buzz off and don't ping me again.
I've heard that the first generation Mexocan population does pretty well here. Unfortunately their offspring, the 2nd and 3rd generations, are the ones having the real trouble: gang membership, asimilation problems, radical. There was an excellent report on it on FOXNews the other night. It basically said our theory of "well, these families have traditional family values in common with us" is a myth. (At least with their kids, who have grown up to HATE America. Thanks to public school teachers.) BUMP
Say, is that mile wide broad brush really easy to lift?
Your wild shotgun reply missed!
Which of my post were you replying too?
I do not see where you get off with the "100% my way" BS, and you have NO IDEA what all I do for the republican party.
Stop being lazy, if you have a point to make, directed at my post, reply in specific terms.
Help a candidate you can agree with, run yourself. Or if that's too much trouble, call write and visit your existing Reps and Senators and give them an earful.
I read the latest National Review magazine yesterday evening, and a very good pro-law enforcement/`secure our southwestern border' article stated that when George W. Bush was running for TX governor, he had a political ad that said:
"So he's not a Democrat. So what?" The ad was in Spanish.
I'll vote for any conservative--or any candidate for that matter, e.g. Sen. Nelson--who pledges to enforce our laws and secure our borders, and I don't want to have to `Press 1 for English' in the booth.
At least on this issue, what's the worst that can happen? So a Democrat/RINO/CINO is elected and s/he fails to enforce our immigration laws or secure our borders, and supports amnesty. Weeeell, that's what the administration is doing (or failing to do) now.
The `monster-in-the-closet' argument is just that, it doesn't carry any weight. We'll make ourselves "irrelevant"?
Ask the voters of South Dakota and Tom Daschle about that . . .
Put me in the column of those opposed to Amnesty.
Excellent post. Either you scared him off or he is taking his time to think of a reply.
I know some just-over-the-border types. They all have fake SS id numbers, have a very low level of education, have drivers licenses, marry Americans if they can and have babies ASAP. A few are not at all interested in speaking English and they feel we should serve them in Spanish. There certainly may be other types but I haven't met any.
IMO if they get fake documents, they're all corrupt and are teaching bad values to their kids.
Who the hell is 'We'? You got another BushBot in your pocket. I've got a really good idea! Let the invasion continue and ya'll (The 'We' you discussed) can pay the bill. That's sounds fair, doesn't it?
Just wanted to let you know that I stopped reading your post right there, since clearly you don't know what this thread is about. Here's a hint. Illegal immigration.
He knows, Susie. It's a Liberal tactic. Tell the LIE enough times and a certain number of people will beign to believe it.
You ignore this issue at your own peril.
I love the way the Whiners have adopted Marxist PR tactics. Marxist always claimed they were the "Majority".
Yet the Whiners are unable to rally more then 40 votes in the US Senate while Bush has won 2 National Elections. Pretty arrogant of them to claim THEY speak for the "Base".
Based on the vote counts, they are not even close to being "the Base".
Nice. Getting the infamous MNJohnnie "Whaaa" response is always a treat, but it rarely comes but one ironic post after you accuse others of throwing temper tantrums. Make sure you keep me on your ping list. You are endless entertainment. P.S. I just did a web search on MNJohnnie and "Waaa" and got four pages of results from freerepublic. (http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&p=Whaaa+MNJohnnie&xargs=0&pstart=1&fr=sfp&dups=1)
Kudos! I have not seen such dedication to one argument over such an extended period of time and over so many different issues since elementary school when little Brian Kelley bested the playground in argument after argument with his notorious ". . . so's your face" retort.
So stop your TANTRUM.
No quarter my friend.
We will lose America as quick as a blink, if we leave the borders open.
You are playing politics with a very dangerous issue. This is about AMERICA'S SOVERENTY.
The president better realize it and FAST!
He cant wait for congress...as Commander and Chief his job must be to RUN not walk to block further leaks and immediate deportation of all unregistered aliens....
NOW!!! utilizing existing laws.....
Appeasement was for Chamberlain not Bush.
ya gotta stop drinking it Johnnie!
Exactly. One of the few constutional duties of the federal government and the executive branch is to protect the United States.
Why aren't we enforcing our borders right NOW?
We don't need any legislation, President Bush just needs to do his duty!
"The same could be same for your posting."
That's not the case. Putting Democrats in office, when we look at the big picture, is NOT in my interest. But those 3rd party morons who merely want to express their *ego* don't give a damn about their interest. That's why I meant when I stated
"The purpose of voting is to express your interest, not your ego."
Yeah, but I just gotta keep remindin' 'em that some of us are not stupid....and we can read! ;)
You have to ask yourself why is he ignoring his base on this issue?? Does he have to payoff the Trilaterists or some other group that benefits? For the life of me, he should kill illegal immigration. It is a loser. And yet he doesn't and wants to argue with those who disagree with him over it. Something is rotten.
That sounds like a perfect description of the Bush adminstration to me.
Take Mike Savage, an absolute Political Imbecilic no matter what he squeal at you every day.
I'm tired of hearing Savage invoked by the apologists for illegal immigration. You use him to distract from actual arguments made by mainstream conservatives on this issue. Personally I almost never listen to him. I far prefer Laura Inghram myself.
I agree there will probably be no bill at all, at least until next year (when the politicians will feel safer screwing the public without worrying about consequences). But while no bill is better than a bad bill, it's not good enough. Twenty years of deliberate encouragement of illegal immigration have brought the situation to a crisis point. It's now an equal threat to the future of America as Islamo-fascism. Insisting that our elected official act to save the country from a mortal peril is not "childish and irrational".
"Guess that means that the Border(s) are NOW secure?"
Yes, rest easy. MMJohnnie says the border is now secure with the help of 3000
unarmed National Guard.(SAC)
"Some things are not up for compromise. Integrity, WOT, The life of my children, American sovereignty, That which has been passed down for our protection to pass down to our posterity and been protected with the blood of our/my ancestors and patriots."
I think you covered it all!
Wow. Calling those you disagree with a whole batch of names.
You sure are a skilled rhetorician.
God Bless America! :)
Watching the other drivers in traffic is a loser for the president. He needs to keep his focus on his destination and just point his car towards it.
Both are equally invalid for similar reasons.
A car he ignores can still collide with him. Not reacting is no protection whatsoever.
The national political discourse is driven by the interests of the people, not the dictates of the president. The president still will suffer consequences for his positions, even if he tries to sit in his office and hope the whole thing goes away.
I'm not surprised that W is tone-deaf to this issue, but I'm very surprised that Rove is. First Harriet Meiers, then the Dubai ports deal, now amnesty. They ought to sense a trend at some point. You simply cannot ignore 85% of elected Republicans in the House and Senate, virtually all the conservative pundits and journalists, and all of conservative talk radio and appeal to your enemies in the Democrat party for help. It is just stupid and stubborn and doesn't speak well for their understanding that politics is "the art of the possible."
The coolaid should have been purple.
Thanks. We here are just too cool for the kool-aid drinker.
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