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11,000-Year-Old Grain Shakes Up Beliefs On Beginnings Of Agriculture
Jerusalem Post ^ | 6-18-2006 | Judy Siegel-Itzkovich

Posted on 06/19/2006 1:04:07 PM PDT by blam

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To: frogjerk
Brigid is said to have changed her dirty bathwater into beer...

I can't decide if this explains lite beer, or the later Schlitz.

51 posted on 06/19/2006 2:24:02 PM PDT by Grut
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To: dljordan

Someone cooked the barley and then let it sit in the pot.

Liquid+starch+fermentation=Ethanol.


52 posted on 06/19/2006 2:24:47 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: frogjerk

It's the same process of making sour dough breads...

Yeast floating in the air innoculate the moist dough.


53 posted on 06/19/2006 2:26:36 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Red Badger
Viola!


54 posted on 06/19/2006 2:26:52 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: frogjerk

Good stuff. It will do for breakfast.


55 posted on 06/19/2006 2:28:35 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: wolfcreek

yuck! frosty mud?!
i'll stick with a Guinness...


56 posted on 06/19/2006 2:49:11 PM PDT by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day...)
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To: Red Badger
Maybe it was an offshoot of breadmaking.

Beer is sometimes called "liquid bread". I've heard of beer riots after brewers started using cheap sugar from the new world.

Two cans of malt syrup, one hopped and one plain, makes a tasty home brew.
57 posted on 06/19/2006 2:50:45 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Red Badger

"nings Of Agriculture, Red Badger wrote:

How does one "discover" beer? Wine I can see. Grape juice, sits in storage till it ferments and viola, you've got wine. Beer, on the other hand, requires a scientific approach to brewing ingredients, cooking, fermenting, etc. One does not accidentally come upon beer, it must be planned and researched........."

For what we would call modern, drinkable beer true. We have the medieval scholastic monks to thank for that...most all of what we now know as beer came from their experimentation.

However, just a fermented grain drink...requires no great science. Leave some grain in a container (even a hole in rock) of water for a few days, strain out the grain, and the result is beer. Easier almost than wine. Not very potable by our standards, but in neolithic times, I'm sure lovely. Archeologically, "beer" just means a brew from fermented grains, not Bitberger Pilsener, or Chimay Red, hence to be a basic beer, doesn't mean what we know of as beer today.

Besides usually the craftsmenship of the ancient world is greater than we imagine. They may well have had a potable grain beverage (beer) that we would find delicious.

In King Midas' tomb, the remnents of the evaporated beverage s in the chalices were analyzed...finding a sophisticated brewed mix of grape must, honey, and barley all brewed together (like a combination of wine, mead and beer...but not mixed, but fermented at the same time). I've had Dogfish Head brewery's attempt at recreating it, and it is a very delicious beerwinemead...which doesn't fit any category of taste I've known. We shouldn't think the ancients as tasteless!


58 posted on 06/19/2006 2:59:02 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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59 posted on 06/19/2006 3:01:29 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: wayne_b24
I was referring to Guinness. LOL!
60 posted on 06/19/2006 3:04:42 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: frogjerk

*** she changed the water, which was used for the bath, into an excellent beer, by the sheer strength of her blessing and dealt it out to the thirsty in plenty."***

Isn't that what the nut that started the AUM SHIN RYKIO cult did with his bath water? he is the one responsible for the Tokyo subway poison gas attacks. ( His was not changed to beer.)


61 posted on 06/19/2006 3:31:07 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SamAdams_Lite
That would also push back the discovery of beer.

Naw. The guys were making beer from sand long before cereal crops were domesticated.

62 posted on 06/19/2006 3:39:24 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: SamAdams_Lite
We know who discovered beer, it was written down in a song:

"A long time ago, way back in history,
when all there was to drink was nothin but cups of tea.
Along came a man by the name of Charlie Mops,
and he invented a wonderful drink and he made it out of hops.

He must have been an admiral a sultan or a king,
and to his praises we shall always sing.
Look what he has done for us he's filled us up with cheer!
Lord bless Charlie Mops, the man who invented beer beer beer
tiddly beer beer beer.

The Curtis bar, the James' Pub, the Hole in the Wall as well
one thing you can be sure of, its Charlie's beer they sell
so all ye lads a lasses at eleven O'clock ye stop
for five short seconds, remember Charlie Mops 1 2 3 4 5

He must have been an admiral a sultan or a king,
and to his praises we shall always sing.
Look what he has done for us he's filled us up with cheer!
Lord bless Charlie Mops, the man who invented beer beer beer
tiddly beer beer beer.

A barrel of malt, a bushel of hops, you stir it around with a stick,
the kind of lubrication to make your engine tick.
40 pints of wallop a day will keep away the quacks.
Its only eight pence hapenny and one and six in tax, 1 2 3 4 5

He must have been an admiral a sultan or a king,
and to his praises we shall always sing.
Look what he has done for us he's filled us up with cheer!
Lord bless Charlie Mops, the man who invented beer beer beer
tiddly beer beer beer.

The Lord bless Charlie Mops!"
63 posted on 06/19/2006 5:12:54 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: VadeRetro
Birds and bears get drunk on berries and fruit fermenting right on the vine. Wine happens.

I saw a program on the Discovery Channel several years ago that followed a colony (or whatever a group is called) of either baboons or monkeys for a whole year. It was compressed into a one hour program but at one point in the season, apples or some other fruit ripened and fell from the tree and began to rot on the ground. This would lead to natural fermentation from the heat, sugar, and yeast. The baboons would eat the fermenting fruit and get drunk. The film footage of these drunk baboons staggering around and finally falling down to pass out and sleep it off was really hilarious. Seems like it was in the Kalahari.

64 posted on 06/19/2006 5:55:39 PM PDT by Eagle9
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To: Eagle9
Yeah, a drunk baboon troop is funny. But wait'll it's bears.
65 posted on 06/19/2006 6:06:32 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: Red Badger
and viola, you've got wine

Does that mean there are strings attached?

66 posted on 06/19/2006 6:26:23 PM PDT by arthurus (It was better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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Thanks Blam. A multirow barley sample was RC dated (non-calibrated) to 14,000 years BP. And since that was at least ten years ago, the sample must be 14,010 years old by now. ;')

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67 posted on 06/19/2006 6:27:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Monday, June 19, 2006.)
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To: Red Badger

Such drivelous nonsense. I was sitting at the Bobst Library at New York University in the late 70s reading all about theories about multiple points of origin for agriculture. What they are claiming as "new" is really OLD news.


68 posted on 06/19/2006 6:32:47 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: blam
recently wrote about their discovery of 10,000-year-old cultivated figs at the same Jordan Valley site.
So, for the first THOUSAND YEARS, no one could make a fig newton. Not my kind of place.
69 posted on 06/19/2006 6:36:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Monday, June 19, 2006.)
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To: blam

Is it too late to turn this grain into extremely pre-aged Bourbon?


70 posted on 06/19/2006 6:42:43 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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To: blam
a cache of 120,000 wild oat and 260,000 wild barley grains...

What I'd like to know is, who counted them? /grin

71 posted on 06/19/2006 6:45:52 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: VadeRetro
Yeah, a drunk baboon troop is funny. But wait'll it's bears.

Bears can be mean drunks.

72 posted on 06/19/2006 6:58:42 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Ditto

I thought that had to be a photoshop from Nick Nolte's mugshot, but the ugly aloha shirts don't match.

73 posted on 06/19/2006 7:03:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: frogjerk; Red Badger
You don't need to add yeast to wort to make beer. It can happen on it's own.

Viola! Music hath charms to tame the wild yeast?

Wild yeast, wild grain, wild hops, water, and wild honey = wild nights, for those who on the honeyed dew hath fed.

Like sourdough, this gives sour beer?

Next thing you know, you have Wally Cox singing "There's A Tavern In The Town"...soon followed by Slim Dusty complaining about a "Tavern With No Beer".

74 posted on 06/19/2006 9:47:07 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Plowmarks", Art, or Writing...now we may never know. Thank you, Ninth!)
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To: wolfcreek
And Moses came down from the mountain with a frosty mud and said "Let there be beer". The people rejoiced.

At that point, he tripped, splashing them with the brew, giving rise to the old toast, "Here's mud in your eye!"

75 posted on 06/19/2006 9:52:32 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Plowmarks", Art, or Writing...now we may never know. Thank you, Ninth!)
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To: frogjerk
ROFLMAO
is that where the saying comes from?
you know, some variant of "i'd drink her bathwater"?
76 posted on 06/19/2006 10:17:38 PM PDT by wafflehouse
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To: caveat emptor

I suspect serious beer making came before serious bread making, myself...


77 posted on 06/19/2006 10:22:15 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT


78 posted on 06/20/2006 3:03:27 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: wolfcreek

wow - that's what my wife said, too!
it's full of iron. you see signs in ireland saying "guinness is good for you". i believe 'em.


79 posted on 06/20/2006 5:09:48 AM PDT by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day...)
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To: arthurus
Does that mean there are strings attached?

No, a girl named Viola. You know: A jug of wine, a loaf of bread, and thou..............The Rubayyat of Omar Khayyam

80 posted on 06/20/2006 5:28:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Thread hi-jacking in progress. Everybody stay in your seats and no one will get hurt!...............)
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To: frogjerk

Spontaneous Fermentation? Is that like The Immaculate Transubstantiation?.............


81 posted on 06/20/2006 5:35:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (Thread hi-jacking in progress. Everybody stay in your seats and no one will get hurt!...............)
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To: Lady Jag

Johnny Marijuana Seed had been by there in olden times.........67-72.................8^)........


82 posted on 06/20/2006 5:38:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (Thread hi-jacking in progress. Everybody stay in your seats and no one will get hurt!...............)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Ah, yes---beer---"Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Benjamin Franklin

Actually Master Franklin was close to the truth, but not quite there.

There are, in fact, three things that prove both the existance of G-d, and that he wants us to be happy:

  1. Beer
  2. Chocolate
  3. Coffee
 
83 posted on 06/20/2006 7:35:53 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: zeugma
"There are, in fact, three things that prove both the existance of G-d, and that he wants us to be happy--beer, chocolate, coffee",p> True, but beer was the one he gave us FIRST.
84 posted on 06/20/2006 7:47:24 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
True, but beer was the one he gave us FIRST.

That's because He loves us!;-)

85 posted on 06/20/2006 9:48:15 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: Red Badger

If the world is as it seems, there will always be Johnny PotSeeds roaming the earth.


86 posted on 06/20/2006 10:33:34 AM PDT by Lady Jag (You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses.)
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To: frogjerk

i think i just sinned thinking about drinking the bath water of a nun and saint... so many things to comment on like maundy Thirsty... to paschal time...

cheers

teeman


87 posted on 06/20/2006 8:24:40 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: teeman8r

and another thing... is this what lies ahead for the new seed depository in the arctic... some guy digging it up 10,000 years from now and wondering if they'll germinate... seems we can save some bucks and just use all these seeds...

it'll turn out they didn't plant these seeds because they caused a plague to the fields so they hid them in an underground cache so no one would sow them... how lucky are we....

teeman


88 posted on 06/20/2006 8:34:54 PM PDT by teeman8r
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