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Trying to Get Even - Democrats keep betting on failure in Iraq.
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 19, 2006 | JOHN FUND

Posted on 06/19/2006 2:51:21 PM PDT by neverdem

JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

During last week's congressional debate over the war in Iraq, critics of the Bush administration's policy made three arguments: that President Bush more or less lied when claiming Saddam Hussein was a threat to the U.S., there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that no progress is being made in the war there. All three assumptions rest on shaky ground, so it is remarkable how much critics have seized on them with such fervor and certainty--the very vices of which they accuse the war's supporters. Indeed, one wonders how Democrats would react if real evidence of weapons of mass destruction, say the discovery of chemical weapon shells, surfaced. Would they step back and re-evaluate their assumptions, or would they accuse the Bush administration of planting the evidence as part of a Karl Rove-inspired pre-election dirty trick? Far from politics ending at the water's edge, today's partisan battles seem to take on added ferocity when they concern foreign policy.

Let's examine the three assumptions critics of Mr. Bush's Iraq policy make:

Bush lied about Saddam being a threat. Both the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee and the independent Silberman-Robb Commission found not one case in which Bush officials, quoting the Senate committee, "attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities." Recall that both the French and German intelligence agencies also believed Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

Just two months before the war, the Los Angeles Times reported that chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix "disclosed troubling new details about Iraq's weapons programs and expressed frustration with what he described as Baghdad's refusal to resolve long-standing questions about efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, as well as long-range missiles." Mr. Blix later...

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; bushlied; democrats; iraq; johnfund; lostdems

1 posted on 06/19/2006 2:51:24 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

bump for later


2 posted on 06/19/2006 2:56:52 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The Rat Party's goal is to END the conflict, not WIN the conflict...should be the other way around.)
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To: neverdem

Good article...thanks for posting.


3 posted on 06/19/2006 2:57:19 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Bahbah; Mo1; Peach

This pretty much spells out the idiocy of the dems...

BUT, unfortunately, was written before today's idiocy re: the new bills the dems are planning to introduce this week.


4 posted on 06/19/2006 2:58:25 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: neverdem

I don't understand people like Fund. They engage in theoretical discussions about whether Hussein was a threat and then completely ignore the fact that Hussein was routinely firing missiles at our pilots in the leadup to the war. Shouldn't Hussein's firing of literally thousands of missiles at our pilots end the discussion as to whether he was a threat to us?


5 posted on 06/19/2006 3:06:14 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem

Betting on failure....now there's a way to win the hearts and minds of the American public.


6 posted on 06/19/2006 3:10:34 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: Txsleuth
the new bills the dems are planning to introduce this week.

Levin's is bad, Kerry's will be worse. But we all knew, didn't we, that they would ramp up their defeatist efforts when the progress in Iraq became so undeniably clear.

7 posted on 06/19/2006 3:11:39 PM PDT by Bahbah (Democrat Motto: Why not the worst)
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To: neverdem

Is it just me or do Dems. want the US to lose in Iraq more than Al Qaeda does??


8 posted on 06/19/2006 3:13:00 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I don't comment on specifics of the no fly zones for security reasons, but I was there and you are right.


9 posted on 06/19/2006 3:15:40 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MikeA

"0Is it just me or do Dems. want the US to lose in Iraq more than Al Qaeda does??"

Both groups want us to lose for political reasons.


10 posted on 06/19/2006 3:16:23 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: neverdem
Indeed, one wonders how Democrats would react if real evidence of weapons of mass destruction, say the discovery of chemical weapon shells, surfaced.

There were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

From Fox News July, 2004

"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads."

Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds containing the nerve agent [Sarin] for an undisclosed sum June 23.

WMDs were found, so the goal post was moved to say no stockpiles were found. I am still waiting for a response to the first italicized excerpt.

11 posted on 06/19/2006 3:17:18 PM PDT by edpc
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To: MikeA

I think you are right. It is impossible to justify why they are doing this. Either someone thinks it is a winning stategy or they are so committed to the anti-war faction of the party that they will come home on their shields ("There, we died for ya.").


It has often been said that orientals, arabs (fill in the blank) "don't think like us". I'm beginning to believe that red staters and blue staters are two separate species!


12 posted on 06/19/2006 3:19:14 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: neverdem

Just remember, the ThugoRat moron traitors are never wrong. They will spin reality into a Star Wars episode. They are sick with negativism, hate, defeatism, and the fact they are so screwed up, they cannot get back into power. Let them keep showing their hate and traitorous behavior against America -- they will pay big in the upcoming elections as polls are already showing...


13 posted on 06/19/2006 3:19:52 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Txsleuth
Would they step back and re-evaluate their assumptions, or would they accuse the Bush administration of planting the evidence as part of a Karl Rove-inspired pre-election dirty trick?

They would accuse Bush/Rove of planting it

The dems ALWAYS over reach

14 posted on 06/19/2006 3:29:58 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats Plan - Cut and Run so the terrorists can win the WOT)
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To: neverdem

Well it was very apparent that the Kurds just fell down and died for no apparant reason, other than to further humiliate Saddam, The Hustler, Hussein. Or maybe they inflicted the chemicals on themselves and got a Kodak to remember the moment. (heavy sarcasm)


15 posted on 06/19/2006 3:34:34 PM PDT by WellsFargo94 (graduation = freedom from liberal hell)
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To: shalom aleichem
It has often been said that orientals, arabs (fill in the blank) "don't think like us". I'm beginning to believe that red staters and blue staters are two separate species!

I agree! I think I relate to Arabs more than I relate to blue staters frankly! At least Arabs agree with me that when you fight a war you fight it to the finish and you fight it to win (even though Arabs rarely win wars.) Democrats don't seem to understand that notion.

16 posted on 06/19/2006 3:40:47 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: MikeA
Is it just me or do Dems. want the US to lose in Iraq more than Al Qaeda does??

No it's not just you

Only the Dems would want to pull out when we are winning the war

My question is .. why do they hate America so much that they would allow our country to be brought down to our knees by the Terrorists

If we pulled out of this War .. No Country and I repeat .. No Country would ever take us seriously again

17 posted on 06/19/2006 3:47:46 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats Plan - Cut and Run so the terrorists can win the WOT)
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To: neverdem
Bush and Rove are betting big (all in) on Iraq and national security for Nov. The Dems are insane enough to think they could somehow claim this as their theme. What a huge sucker job.
18 posted on 06/19/2006 3:52:34 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: neverdem
critics of the Bush administration's policy made three arguments: that President Bush more or less lied when claiming Saddam Hussein was a threat to the U.S., there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that no progress is being made in the war there. All three assumptions rest on shaky ground, so it is remarkable how much critics have seized on them with such fervor and certainty...

Bring it on Dems, choose your weapons, just like 2004. We have O so much ammo.

19 posted on 06/19/2006 3:58:43 PM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: Mo1

No Country would ever take us seriously again.

The Democrats think that defeat in Iraq will reflect only on the Republicans.

20 posted on 06/19/2006 4:16:11 PM PDT by RedRover (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Fire Murtha! http://www.irey.com/)
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To: neverdem
Here is something that I hadn’t heard before (emphasis added):

“According to the report, Saddam had the capability to start anthrax production within one week of making the decision to do so, and thereafter to produce more than 10 tons of weaponized anthrax a year. The congressional Office of Technology Assessment estimates that if even 200 pounds, or 1% of that amount, were released into the air over Washington, up to three million people would die.”

21 posted on 06/19/2006 4:17:13 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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To: Mo1

If no country would take us seriously again and our brave, but smaller, allies were left to do the same, then the field would be cleared for world government brokered by the elites.


22 posted on 06/19/2006 4:20:59 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Txsleuth

Oh, no. The dems are introducing a new bill? Well, I guess I did hear that but just shook my head and couldn't take it in because, as you said, it's such insanity.

Thank you for linking Fund's article; I'd heard Rush talk about it and then forgot to go looking for it.


23 posted on 06/19/2006 4:22:17 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: neverdem

I find the "war is going badly" trope highly amusing and irritating at the same time. In any war when you have defeated the opposing army, captured their leader, put him on trial, have helped put in place a democratic government, and have killed or imprisoned a high percentage of the "insurgents", how is the war going badly? Did people think that Islamo-fascists would give up without a struggle? I didn't, but everything considered, we have done very well. And when a firing squad puts a volley through the worthless body of Saddam Hussein, we'll be doing even better.


24 posted on 06/19/2006 4:23:22 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Betting on failure....now there's a way to win the hearts and minds of the American public.

"Democrats......Betting on Failure"

Perfect bumper sticker and talking point for the Pubbies


25 posted on 06/19/2006 4:32:38 PM PDT by Benjamin Dover (This tagline space for rent)
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To: edpc
"WMDS"

I remember that story and the short shrift it was given by the media. They claimed Saddam had no wmds. Well then our troops were attacked by "insurgents" who fired sarin gas projectiles at them. David Kay sneered at the news proclaiming them old. Now farmers in Europe are still being killed occasionally by old shells from WWI. But according to Kay, sarin gas is a harmless agent when it's not brand new. Completely ignoring the fact that our troops had Saddams's WMDS!!!! fired at us and a few of the troops had to be treated for exposure to the agent. But because the terrorists didn't know how to use them properly, the incident was not newsworthy to Kay or Big Media.

The obvious fact is that Hussein had wmds and he had every intention of making more of them. For use against us. The media is just ignoring the wmd elephant in the corner of the room.

26 posted on 06/19/2006 4:34:27 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: RedRover
The Democrats think that defeat in Iraq will reflect only on the Republicans

Then they are dumber then dirt

This war is not about any party

27 posted on 06/19/2006 4:37:09 PM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats Plan - Cut and Run so the terrorists can win the WOT)
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To: Mo1

It's not so much that Dems. hate America, though some do. It's that they hate Bush more than they love America and they view everything through that twisted prism. Whatever is good for America right now is good for Bush, and so with their skewed priorities they prefer to see America fail even losing a war than to see Bush receive credit or have something to build a legacy on. They seethe with such jealousy for Bush that they cannot see beyond their emotions regarding the man. And so their wishes and desires are all centered on wanting to see Bush fail regardless of what that means for the nation. It's sick and depraved.


28 posted on 06/19/2006 4:54:40 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: Peach

I have seen John Fund on some TV talk shows, where I feel like he has kind of "liberaled up" his views, but on this article, I agree with him.


29 posted on 06/19/2006 5:00:40 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: vbmoneyspender; USNBandit
Shouldn't Hussein's firing of literally thousands of missiles at our pilots end the discussion as to whether he was a threat to us?

Yes.

I’m glad you brought this up. I have to admit that it’s news to me. But I agree with you completely.

I don’t think the press reported this prominently, if at all. And the libs would say we brought it upon ourselves. At least the people at FreeRepublic know better.
30 posted on 06/19/2006 5:28:52 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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To: neverdem

(Trying to Get Even - Democrats keep betting on failure in Iraq.)



If they believed in God they'd pray for it too.


31 posted on 06/19/2006 5:29:05 PM PDT by A Troop 1-14 Cav ("We love immigrants in Utah. We don't make distinctions between legal and illegal." Chris Cannon)
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To: ChessExpert
The attacks by Hussein on our pilots are actually cited in the Iraq War resolution as one of the reasons for going to war:

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

What amazes me though is that our side never raises these facts as a rebuttal to the libs' claims that Bush 'lied' us into the war. If you say to a lib that we went to war against Hussein because he had already declared war on us by firing on our pilots -- there are only 2 ways they can respond. Either they can argue that the missile attacks on our pilots weren't serious enough to justify our going to war, or they can argue that our pilots deserved to be shot and, thus, the missile attacks didn't present a valid reason for us going to war. Either argument is political suicide, which is exactly why they need to be forced to confront the issue.

32 posted on 06/19/2006 6:06:01 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem
I wonder how the Dems describe this, one of several references to North Korea in David Kaye's comments about his First Interim Report to Congress, especially in light of current events regarding NK:

In addition to the activities detailed here on Iraq's attempts to develop delivery systems beyond the permitted UN 150km, ISG has also developed information on Iraqi attempts to purchase proscribed missiles and missile technology. Documents found by ISG describe a high level dialogue between Iraq and North Korea that began in December 1999 and included an October 2000 meeting in Baghdad. These documents indicate Iraqi interest in the transfer of technology for surface-to-surface missiles with a range of 1300km (probably No Dong) and land-to-sea missiles with a range of 300km. The document quotes the North Koreans as understanding the limitations imposed by the UN, but being prepared "to cooperate with Iraq on the items it specified". At the time of OIF, these discussions had not led to any missiles being transferred to Iraq. A high level cooperating source has reported that in late 2002 at Saddam's behest a delegation of Iraqi officials was sent to meet with foreign export companies, including one that dealt with missiles. Iraq was interested in buying an advanced ballistic missile with 270km and 500km ranges.

33 posted on 06/19/2006 6:26:30 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: vbmoneyspender

excellent post!


34 posted on 06/19/2006 6:53:12 PM PDT by adm5
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To: Mo1
"My question is .. why do they hate America so much that they would allow our country to be brought down to our knees by the Terrorists?"

They want to lose this war in Iraq because there is a Republican that they hate in charge of it. It is that simple. America's loss in Iraq is the Democrat party's gain if it makes and GOP President look bad and helps the Dems win elections. They are traitors. Period.

35 posted on 06/19/2006 7:00:20 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.")
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To: neverdem
The Republicans really have the DIMs in a corner on this. Everytime a DIM suggests leaving or draw downs, the Republicans can just point out how the DIMs are advocates for losing. The DIMs have put themselves in the very same box Kerry couldn't get out of in '04.
36 posted on 06/19/2006 7:05:39 PM PDT by KoRn
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