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Attacks on John Kerry Discredited
Military.com ^ | June 19, 2006 | Wade Sanders

Posted on 06/19/2006 7:12:14 PM PDT by Phil Harmonic

There are those who are already so entrenched in their hatred of Kerry, that no official Navy records, no verified eye-witness testimony, no facts will every cause them to re-evaluate their point of view. However, I am assured that there are many who, regardless of their political background, are interested the facts and see knowledge as an evolutionary process, and who take the time to research their opinions and speak from a foundation of fact. It clearly is not necessary to like John Kerry, or agree with his record as a Senator, but it seems to me that a vicious attack on any man's integrity and honor deserves to be based on something other than lies and distortions. Well, here are some facts based on the official Navy record, Navy messages, the Navy archives, and the statements of witnesses who were really there.

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KEYWORDS: betrayal; fondalike; fraud; kerry; kerrybuttboy; kerryrecord; mrheinz; pantload; teresaspoodle; traitor; treason; wadesanders
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Wade Sanders, long-time Kerry supporter, peddles boilerplate Kerry rehab for the umpteenth time...and the smell hasn't improved over time. Lipscomb and the blogs will have a field day with this one...
1 posted on 06/19/2006 7:12:16 PM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic
"As for the Navy saying it has never awarded Kerry a Silver Star with a V for valor: that is absolutely true."
2 posted on 06/19/2006 7:14:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Interesting Times

fyi ping...


3 posted on 06/19/2006 7:14:41 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Hurricane Season 2006 - Be prepared and have a plan)
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To: Phil Harmonic
As a Swift Boat combat veteran, I find any attack on any veteran who has honorably served distasteful . . ."

What? Even after he went over to the other side?

4 posted on 06/19/2006 7:16:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Its another stop on the John Kerry resurrection tour!

Drop a retreat amendment in the Senate, get your liberal buddies to write articles during the same time period, try not to get photographed with Teresa, but STILL FAILS TO CONVINCE anyone that he is not a primped, pussified poser.

5 posted on 06/19/2006 7:16:48 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: Phil Harmonic

He still hasn't released his 180.....unredacted please


6 posted on 06/19/2006 7:17:19 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Tell us, Wade, how did he vote in Kansas City in 1971 regarding assassinating U.S. senators who supported the war?


7 posted on 06/19/2006 7:17:24 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Well, here are some facts

The key operative word is "some". Mr. Sanders - why doesn't Senator Kerry release all of his military records like he said he would? He is not only a traitor and a coward but a liar as well.

8 posted on 06/19/2006 7:17:48 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Phil Harmonic

Was this guy one of J. Fraud's "band of brothers"?


9 posted on 06/19/2006 7:18:05 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (*Support DIANA IREY for US Congress!* Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing: HIT THE ROAD, JACK!)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Well, here are some facts based on the official Navy record, Navy messages, the Navy archives, and the statements of witnesses who were really there.

Were those records written by f'n Kerry himself?

10 posted on 06/19/2006 7:18:32 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Phil Harmonic

Another idiot coming to the defenseless Kerry. I guess Kerry - I hear he onced served in Nam - is still trying to run for President. I can't think of a more sorry SOB than Kerry for trying to authenticate his lies except for those who formerally served whoring for him.


11 posted on 06/19/2006 7:19:45 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Phil Harmonic

12 posted on 06/19/2006 7:19:48 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Pukin Dog

Is this guy getting money from the TIDES foundation?

PD, it started a few weeks ago with an article indicating Kerry was still pushing the issue. Kerry brought it up first. BRING IT ON!


13 posted on 06/19/2006 7:20:06 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: mystery-ak

Well I heard he SIGNED his form 180. He just hasn't sent it in.


14 posted on 06/19/2006 7:20:18 PM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Wonder what Kerry offered him for this.


15 posted on 06/19/2006 7:20:43 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (i see dumb people, they're everywhere. They don't even know they're dumb.)
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To: listenhillary

I heard that too, right after the election...I'm still waiting to see it...lol


16 posted on 06/19/2006 7:21:33 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: BenLurkin
"...I find any attack on any veteran who has honorably served distasteful . . ."

Well... yeah!

Of course, it's the "honorably served" part that we have an issue with in regards to Kerry.

John Kerry didn't even live up to the Benedict Arnold standard of "honorably served" prior to giving aid and comfort to the enemy.  At least Arnold was a legitimate hero before becoming a turncoat.  Kerry cannot, in all honesty, make that claim. 

17 posted on 06/19/2006 7:22:13 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phil Harmonic
Anyone have any info about military.com ?

I have been on their daily email list for over two years now, and I sweared that at least fifty-percent of the emails are anti-war.

18 posted on 06/19/2006 7:22:20 PM PDT by fideist (Think in terms of Momentum.)
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To: BenLurkin

As a Swift Boat combat veteran, I find any attack on any veteran who has honorably served distasteful . . ."

What? Even after he went over to the other side?

A certain Benedict Arnold served honorably at first also.


19 posted on 06/19/2006 7:22:37 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: Phil Harmonic

what was the discrepency of the story in the NY Slimes about Kerry's hat??

Also- how come this guy does not mention kerri saying "I'm listening to President Nixon tell me I was not in Cambodia" when at the time, Nixon was not President...


20 posted on 06/19/2006 7:23:25 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Phil Harmonic
"no facts will every cause them to re-evaluate their point of view."

Everyone does typos from time to time, but when you are supposed to be making a big political overture, at least read what you are going to be posting.

21 posted on 06/19/2006 7:24:23 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Phil Harmonic
Admiral Hoffmann once claimed that “none of my Coastal Commands every inserted any troops of this kind into Cambodia” but the full text of Hoffmann's quote actually seems to undermine his fellow Swifties, not help them. Hoffmann continues, “We had some operations we ran north that I am not at liberty to discuss,” apparently conceding that Command Task Force 115 was involved in cross-border missions -- a point the Swifties have long denied as part of their alleged proof Kerry could never have been in Cambodia.

(It is an established historical fact that the American military as well as civilian intelligence were operating covertly in Cambodia years prior to the secret bombing campaign and the public incursion. SOG -- the Studies & Operations Group -- was a joint command that undertook secret missions inside Cambodia beginning not later than 1967, according to the book “Sideshow,” a leading historical work on the war in Cambodia.)

Command of all cross-border operations was under the US Army, Commander of MACV-SOG during that time. It was also well established that all cross border insertions into Cambodia and Laos were by helocopter, not boats, as boats had been discarded as an insertion vehicle in the mid 1960s.

If the Admiral had known about such operations, he is now no longer under any known secrecy prohibitions and should tell what he knows.

If Kerry had skippered a boat into Cambodia, he would have been under operational control of Command and Control South (CCS), a unit of MACVSOG. His boat, and all weapons would have had all identification removed. He would have required a top secret clearance. He would have known exactly what his mission was. Where did he go? What troops did he insert? What was their mission? When did he extract the troops? How did he receive his orders? Who did he report to during the mission?

I was there during that time. I doubt it!

22 posted on 06/19/2006 7:25:40 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Phil Harmonic
Who gives a rat's pattooty about Kerry's military record. He may have been a hero to rank with Audie Murphy, for all I care. It's his despicable record as a civilian traitor that is important.

Heck, even George McGovern was a war hero.

Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

23 posted on 06/19/2006 7:25:51 PM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Fergit it, Turdbucket, we ain't gonna make him C.I.C.,,,case closed.


24 posted on 06/19/2006 7:26:32 PM PDT by Waco
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To: doug from upland

I assume you're talking about the Fake veteran's group that Kerry helped start (Fake because apparently several of the folks testifying in front of Congress claiming to be vets weren't)

If I've got my facts straight - Kerry claimed that he quit the group when the discussions went the way your mentioning, i.e. talking about assassinating US senatores.


25 posted on 06/19/2006 7:26:38 PM PDT by fremont_steve (Milpitas - a great place to be FROM!)
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To: Phil Harmonic

I Googled Wade Sanders, only to be nauseated by all the vicious anti-military cr*p he is peddling: every hair-brained ultra-left theme can be found.


26 posted on 06/19/2006 7:27:22 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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To: Phil Harmonic
As with murtha, so with kerry.

I'm not interested in the actions of Lt. Kerry, UNSR. They are irrelevant. I'm interested in the actions of Senator Kerry (D-MA). And those actions are so thoroughly dishonest, dishonourable,and disgusting that I cannot respect him even in the slightest.

27 posted on 06/19/2006 7:28:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Looks like some Freepers have already started dissing this article on Military.com. Right after the turkeys opinion tripe, the site has a link to discussion of the article. Most comments read like Freeper input! :)


28 posted on 06/19/2006 7:31:20 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Elect Bob Sullivan OK Governor -- Throw out Dem Gov DoLittle Henry in 2006!)
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To: Phsstpok
"...I find any attack on any veteran who has honorably served distasteful . . ."

One of Rush's callers pointed out that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine... just like Murta was.

29 posted on 06/19/2006 7:32:02 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: PhiKapMom

Thanks for the tip.


30 posted on 06/19/2006 7:32:53 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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To: fremont_steve

He has been placed at the meeting. My info is that it was at that meeting where he resigned his leadership position. I presume that he voted no, but he the duty to report the conspiracy to the FBI.


31 posted on 06/19/2006 7:33:38 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Phil Harmonic

I cannot believe this idiot would run again


32 posted on 06/19/2006 7:42:08 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Phil Harmonic
booo...



Yooo Hooo... I'm over HERE!!!
33 posted on 06/19/2006 7:43:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: BenLurkin

Would he also say that about Tim McVeigh? Didn't he receive a medal?


34 posted on 06/19/2006 7:43:41 PM PDT by TwoSue
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To: Phil Harmonic
Everyone is free to rewrite history and many do for reasons known only to them. This critter is exercising that privilege, while rational people are free to exercise their right to ignore his lies and view Kerry as the POS he haws proven himself to be.
35 posted on 06/19/2006 7:44:34 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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To: Pukin Dog
There has been information released by Kerry, most of it from his DD 214. Other documents released just don't square with his obligation contract nor do medal citations signed by John Lehman (who denies authorizing the Silver Star) square with his assignment to the river boats. At the time Kerry was in VN, John Chaffee was SECNAV. This fact is easily verifiable. Inconsistencies in the released material are many.

The real records that ought to be examined lie with the ONI and FBI.
36 posted on 06/19/2006 7:46:17 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: plain talk
Rice in the arse will do that to some people, I guess.
37 posted on 06/19/2006 7:46:33 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (This tag-line is temporarily closed for remodeling)
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To: Chode
You gotta know that as a young boy, Kerry got his ass kicked on a regular basis. Who has a penis and throws like that?
38 posted on 06/19/2006 7:49:45 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: Phil Harmonic
What is important is that John Kerry harped on Vietnam in order to deflect discussion about his post-Vietnam politics - his antiwar activities and his ultra-liberal Senate record. It was a type of deceit, a dishonest tactic which he didn't think his opponents would have the nerve to call him on. They did, and his strategy failed.
39 posted on 06/19/2006 7:50:16 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: doug from upland
He has been placed at the meeting. My info is that it was at that meeting where he resigned his leadership position. I presume that he voted no, but he the duty to report the conspiracy to the FBI.

It must also be noted that Kerry initially LIED about the date of his supposed resignation from the VVAW. Until he was forced to fess up to his attendance at the Kansas City "Assassination" meeting, Kerry (and his campaign) were peddling the outright LIE that Kerry recalled resigning from VVAW in a St. Louis VVAW meeting in July, 1971.

His campaign was FORCED to acknowledge Kerry's fraudulent "memory" when FBI surveillance files (and, subsequently, eyewitnesses from within the VVAW itself) placed him at the meeting of the VVAW conspirators.

Ironically (if my memory serves me correctly), the FBI "Gotcha" was served up by Gerald? Nicosia, a Kerry supporter who had been doing pro-Kerry research when he stumbled into the FBI revelation. As I also recall, Nicosia was stunned by the information he had discovered.

Apparently not so Mr. Sanders or the MSM who give wide latitude to associating with assassination conspirators and documented, outright LIARS like Kerry.

40 posted on 06/19/2006 7:51:24 PM PDT by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic
but it seems to me that a vicious attack on any man's integrity and honor deserves to be based on something

You are correct and I believe in that.

But, unfortunately, you are talking about the one and only John "I'm reporting for doody!" Kerry.

The words integrity and honor simply cannot be said when referring to Jf'nK.

To do so would dishonor all of our real military heros.

Well, here are some facts based on..

recorded media video footage.

John Kerry hangin' with the Hanoi beotch herself.

John Kerry hangin' with the NV commies in Paris, lying to the camera.

I think that is called aiding the enemy, because he was still on "doody".

You are confused pal. There are many men and women in this country that have proven, perhaps re-defined, the words "integrity" and "honor".

And John Kerry is not among those names.

He would be on the other end of the scale - the scum, turds end. Know what I mean?

41 posted on 06/19/2006 7:54:11 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

".......attack on any man's integrity and honor deserves to be based on something other than lies and distortions. "

Absolutely, and had it not been for Traitor kerry's attacks on the integrity and honor of fighting brothers, he might not be feeling like the loser he is today.

Instead, he could be resting on his porch while simply liking his, oh so famous, paper-cuts.


42 posted on 06/19/2006 7:56:33 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: mystery-ak

I believe he actually signed it, but allowed a copy to be sent ONLY to the Washington Post which, of course, printed only what he wanted them to. No one has ever seen the FULL report. If he wasn't hiding something, he'd release it all.


43 posted on 06/19/2006 7:58:42 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

May 4, 2004. The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event. (Above are, r-l, Wade Sanders, Del Sandusky and Drew Whitlow). Senior Advisor Michael Meehan said, "The Nixon White House attempted to do this to Kerry, and the Bush folks are following the same plan." "We're not going to let them make false claims about Kerry and go unanswered," Meehan said. He said his first instinct was to hold a press conference with an empty room where veterans could testify to their time spent in the military with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.



http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/interestg/kerr050404p.jpg


Wade Sanders served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy under President Bill Clinton


He currently works as an attorney in San Diego.


Wade Sanders, who served with Kerry in the delta, on different boats


“John Kerry and I have known each other since 1966,” Sanders said.


Sanders added, “If Bush I had beaten Clinton in 1992 it wouldn’t have been the end of democracy,” leaving unspoken his own — and his audience’s — fear that if Bush II beats Kerry this year it will be the end of democracy in the U.S.

Asked about a New Yorker report that a London-based Islamic Web site that claims a link to al-Qaeda has openly endorsed Bush, Sanders said Kerry probably wouldn’t use that in the campaign because the link is too tenuous but added, “John Kerry knows that al-Qaeda wants Bush to win. The way Bush is conducting the war is stimulating the growth of terrorism.”


http://tinyurl.com/gugzh




One of Kerry's fellow patrol boat skippers, Wade Sanders, defended Kerry and compared the statements of Kerry's commanders to the investigations of suspected communists by Senator Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s, saying the commanders should be asked, ''Have you no decency?"


http://tinyurl.com/hnv5l


44 posted on 06/19/2006 8:01:05 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: The Brush
One of Rush's callers pointed out that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine... just like Murta was.

They must have read my post number 563 on the Sunday Talk Show thread then....

Did they mention Charles Whitman, too?

 

45 posted on 06/19/2006 8:03:11 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phil Harmonic
So, is there any "new" information - other than that which has already been debunked coming from the Kerry MSM (er, supporters).
46 posted on 06/19/2006 8:03:36 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: BenLurkin

He is presently engaged in the legal practice of corporate governance, ethics, and specializing in employee owned companies, as well as providing government relations assistance to major corporations.


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"I'd go into combat with John Kerry tomorrow, anytime, anyplace," said Wade R. Sanders, deputy assistant secretary of the Navy in the Clinton administration, who like Kerry skippered a patrol boat in Vietnam. He directs California Veterans for Kerry. "He's someone who you know your back is safe with."


http://tinyurl.com/hu396




Wade Sanders, a member of Sen. Kerry's "Band of Brothers,"


Wade Sanders, a San Diego lawyer


47 posted on 06/19/2006 8:10:13 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: MACVSOG68
If you read the Admiral's words, you'll notice he said "ran north" - not WEST (into Cambodia), but NORTH into North Vietnam.

So, this distraction - combined with the flagrant lies about his first band-aid scratch on a local (non0hostile fire) mission in a open boat in December (before he qualified for Swift boats) - adds the the "proof" of his self-serving exaggerations of EVERY part of his 4 months in Vietnam.
48 posted on 06/19/2006 8:10:15 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Hey Wade, its not vicious enough and yes the utter destruction of his vileness's political career is our goal. All traitors should be scrutinized and examined. So far as we are concerned, John Kerry is Unfit For Command of any kind.


49 posted on 06/19/2006 8:15:04 PM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

50 posted on 06/19/2006 8:32:17 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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