Jacob rips Cannon, Bush (proposes a Disneyland type of fast pass for immigration)

Deseret Morning News ^ | 6/20/06 | Ted Walch

[investigateworld]

(Pssst ... I think somebody's fascination with Bay Buchanan shows their still not over that little weekend in Tiajuana... but you didn't hear that from me LOL)

[sinkspur]

So, in actuality, Jacob has an "amnesty plan" too?

Cannon should make the most of this. Jacob is clearly attempting to fashion his policies on the fly, in contrast to a ten year Congressman with a 97 ACU rating.

[Dane]

(Pssst ... I think somebody's fascination with Bay Buchanan shows their still not over that little weekend in Tiajuana... but you didn't hear that from me LOL)

You really shouldn't talk about tom tancredo like that behind his back.

[investigateworld]

Good to see ya lighten up there!

Don't worry, we'll get these primaries straighten out, then get ready to give the Rats a series hammering in November (if the House don't cave)

[Dane]

Cannon should make the most of this. Jacob is clearly attempting to fashion his policies on the fly, in contrast to a ten year Congressman with a 97 ACU rating.

Yep, but some conservatives will only listen to what they want to hear and not look at the actions of the candidate(ala Clinton middle class tax cut,etc.etc.)

[mthom]

"Bush/Sensenbrenner/Cannon"

Youll have to delete Sensenbrenner from that list when the debate heats up. Hell stand firmly in the way of citizenship for illegals and you will begin attacking him.

[AmishDude]

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Cannon's horrible immigration record in enough to know Jacob can't be worse.

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Oh, yeah?

I hate to say "I told you so"...

[mthom]

Apparently Jacob supports amnesty but since he only supports it for illegals in country for 10+ years you cant say its worse than Cannon who supports amnesty for illegals who have been here for 2+ years. Youll probably need to take back that "I told you so."

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Where does Jacob "rip" the President and Cannon?

I read the article and I didn't see any "ripping" going on.

More Dane BS

[AmishDude]

And don't forget the FastPass.

Sorry, Jacob has the easiest campaign strategy in the history of time itself and he's screwing it up.

And remember that this is just what he's saying, never having to be in office. I suspect he will compromise with much more.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

He'll say that Sensennbrenner has been paid off by Tancredo or some similiar nonsense.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

My opinion is that Jacob is just being realistic.

The illegals who have been here since the 1970s and 80s and have established families, residencies, and businesses....where are they going to go?

Even if an enforcement-only bill is passed the problem is going to have to be dealt with sooner or later.

[mthom]

Im not endorsing his position but the math is simple. There will be more illegals that have been here 2+ years then have been here 10+ years. Compromise with much more? You mean like amnesty for illegals in the country for 2+ years? lol I see two guys who support amnesty. Jacobs position being the slightly less damaging one.

[Dane]

My opinion is that Jacob is just being realistic

LOL!

In your opinion, Jacob amnesty "realistic", Chris Cannon's 97 lifetime ACU rating makes him akin to the anti-christ.

[Dane]

Where does Jacob "rip" the President and Cannon? I read the article and I didn't see any "ripping" going on. More Dane BS

Actually that is the Deseret News's headline. The words in parenthesis are my comments, which are true.

[AmishDude]

I think you make an excellent point. You have to be realistic about this entire situation. I, personally, don't see any reason to amnestize anyone (if they've been doing OK so far, why not let it continue, if they don't like it, they can head back south with no issues).

But the anti-Cannonites were, just a few hours ago, so absolutist. Do you realize how silly it sounds to say that Cannon -- an otherwise rock-solid conservative -- must be replaced by a guy whose views differ only on the margins on the big issue that is supposed to be the reason to ditch Cannon?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

In your opinion, Jacob amnesty "realistic", Chris Cannon's 97 lifetime ACU rating makes him akin to the anti-christ.

It's all moot anyway.

Assuming he wins the primary, if Chris Cannon starts spewing his amnesty schemes, this election will be his last one. If House Republicans don't smack him down, then Utah conservatives, having been betrayed, surely will.

Of course, if he does vote for strict border enforcement, you'll be foaming at the mouth and complaining that Tancredo pricked a voo-doo doll likeness of Cannon to force him to vote that way.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Actually that is the Deseret News's headline.

Let me guess: You gleefully ran with the media spin too, knowing that as a FReeper you are trained to spot these headlines.

Which begs the next question: Are you really a FReeper?

[Dane]

Which begs the next question: Are you really a FReeper?

Well if posting the headline in the Deseret News makes me a DUmmie in your eyes, so be it, I won't lose any sleep over it.

[Plutarch]

And a Disneyland type of pass for solving immigration?

Notice the silence from the tnacredo/bay buchanites on this thread.

(1) You invoke the tnacredo/bay buchanites like it is a talisman or something. Your little straw man stuffed doll to cuddle. The vast majority of freepers are against amnesty, and for all the influence Bay Buchanan has, a search would reveal that the vast majority of references to Bay Buchanan on FR would be Dane's.

(2) Any silence you perceive might be from those who despair at getting any straight answer from you, or from any of your FROBL cohorts.

So here is an opportunity to show otherwise:

Dane, what is your particular objection to the Disneyland pass? Is that it would be ineffective or subject to fraud? Is it that Jacob proposed it?