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'Dark Side' sheds light on Cheney
Boston Globe ^ | June 20, 2006 | Sam Allis

Posted on 06/20/2006 10:35:42 AM PDT by Maceman

"Frontline" delivers a devastating look tonight at the efforts of Vice President Dick Cheney to gain control of the war on terror after 9/11. In doing so, the show purports, he compromised the integrity of America's intelligence system.

"The Dark Side" is riveting television, heavily reported, that exemplifies what "Frontline" does best: go inside a major story and give us context. The title is a ripe double-entendre that applies both to Cheney and the turf on which the war against terrorists is fought. "We have to work the dark side, if you will," we hear Cheney say. "Spend time in the shadows of the intelligence world."

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1 posted on 06/20/2006 10:35:45 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Maceman

I thought Rove was the evil genius behind this administration. I'm having quite a time keeping my masterminds straight.


2 posted on 06/20/2006 10:36:47 AM PDT by Xenalyte (The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.)
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To: Maceman
I look forward to the fair and balanced report they will do...

/s

3 posted on 06/20/2006 10:37:14 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: Maceman

What the CIA needs is an enema.


4 posted on 06/20/2006 10:37:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Maceman
THE LIBS FEAR CHENEY - GHOST OF THEIR NIGHTMARES.


5 posted on 06/20/2006 10:38:34 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: Maceman
THE LIBS FEAR CHENEY - GHOST OF THEIR NIGHTMARES.


6 posted on 06/20/2006 10:38:52 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: Maceman

Lessee . . . successful businessman, dedicated public servant, patriot . . . yeah I can see why the lefties hate Mr. Cheney.


7 posted on 06/20/2006 10:38:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Maceman
``The Dark Side" is, in a sense, CIA payback for its treatment. The program is dominated by legions of former CIA officers, some of whom left over the agency's treatment by the White House, and they detail what they view as Cheney's efforts to find the intelligence to fit the war he wanted against Saddam. Virtually no one, in contrast, appears from the Cheney-Rumsfeld camp to defend the two men's actions.

There you have it in a nutshell. One-sided, from the point of view of the ousted Clintonistas.

Well, at least my tax dollars paid for it.

8 posted on 06/20/2006 10:39:08 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Xenalyte

Dear Frontline: Where are your clothes?


9 posted on 06/20/2006 10:39:13 AM PDT by torchthemummy ("Patriotism...means looking out for yourself by looking out for your country” - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Maceman
Cheney didn't trust the CIA after it missed the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Iranian revolution, and Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait

And who in their right mind would????

10 posted on 06/20/2006 10:39:30 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Xenalyte

"I thought Rove was the evil genius behind this administration. I'm having quite a time keeping my masterminds straight."

Didn't you get the memo? Rove handles the Weather Machine. Cheney does the wet work.


11 posted on 06/20/2006 10:40:14 AM PDT by toddlintown
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To: Maceman
To the left-wing scumbags the "Dark Side" refers to the Republican-run government spying on its own citizens.

What the clueless left will never understand is there is EVIL in this world that is trying to kill GOOD. The clueless left also won't admit that America is the GOOD (even if we are not perfect) and terrorism is the EVIL, nor will they admit The Left is part of the EVIL.

12 posted on 06/20/2006 10:40:58 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Maceman
Dick Cheney - Gravitas Maximus
13 posted on 06/20/2006 10:41:01 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: BenLurkin

Don't forget, way smarter than they are.


14 posted on 06/20/2006 10:41:25 AM PDT by downtownconservative (Murtha is truly an EX-Marine...his motto, "nunquam fidelis")
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To: toddlintown

Ooooooh, I see. Thanks for the clarification! ;)


15 posted on 06/20/2006 10:41:28 AM PDT by Xenalyte (The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.)
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To: Abathar

Twenty years ago this would have had an impact, but with the advent of the internet, talk radio, fox news , and various other balanced news outlets, the crediblity of the leftist/liberal/socialist media have taken a much deserved beating. The zeitgeist is moving against the far-left media monopoly. As Ronald Reagan once said: "Freedom is on the march."


16 posted on 06/20/2006 10:41:46 AM PDT by Mr.Smorch (Zindabad Azadi)
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To: Xenalyte; Lazmataz; dead
I thought Rove was the evil genius behind this administration. I'm having quite a time keeping my masterminds straight.

Rove and Cheney are just smoke screens, Lazmataz is the real mastermind on Mondays, Weds., and Fridays while dead is the guy for Tuesdays and Thursdays. I just handle the weekends or fill in when they are sick. It's a tough job being the evil masterminds, we're thinking about forming a union for better wages for our evil henchmen.

17 posted on 06/20/2006 10:42:27 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: new yorker 77

I wish they were working the dark side (as in hire some mercs to do what needs to be done) and then leave the rest of the citizens alone.

But it aint gonna happen.


18 posted on 06/20/2006 10:43:46 AM PDT by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few, than of all!)
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To: Tokra

I've spoken with a representative for this show to show them the failures in intelligence and vacuum the intelligence community has on al Qaeda and Iraq and the importance of stepped up efforts. Their response "we might put it in that show" aka if it doesn't help destroy cheney forget about it


19 posted on 06/20/2006 10:45:02 AM PDT by ikez78 (www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com)
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To: Maceman

Yeah its OK to harrass millions of law abiding citizens, but Al Sadr and the likes, will get special protection, yeah!!!


20 posted on 06/20/2006 10:45:09 AM PDT by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few, than of all!)
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To: dead

Let me guess: a weasel by the name of Larry Johnson will get lots and lots of face time on this fabulous piece of balanced journalism.


21 posted on 06/20/2006 10:45:34 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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To: Xenalyte

Too bad for the lefties that Frontline has no audience and no credibility. The only people watching will be the ex-hippies that always watch. I prefer to laugh at the junk on Antiques Roadshow.


22 posted on 06/20/2006 10:46:22 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Maceman
``The Dark Side" is, in a sense, CIA payback for its treatment
23 posted on 06/20/2006 10:48:00 AM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: lovecraft

Sorry, bub, but you ain't gettin' a company car and that's final.

24 posted on 06/20/2006 10:48:12 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Tokra

Now why would they worry about a few little things like that? The CIA is busy trying to find something to make this president look bad, who really cares about a few little bombings in thsi country. Sheeesh!


25 posted on 06/20/2006 10:48:24 AM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: Tokra
Cheney didn't trust the CIA after it missed the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Iranian revolution, and Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait

So far as I can tell the only major piece of CIA intel the White House relied upon (with Tenet's personal assurances it was true) was the Saddam WMD reports, which CIA also screwed up.

26 posted on 06/20/2006 10:48:36 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Billthedrill
Sorry, bub, but you ain't gettin' a company car and that's final.

You can't have Evil Masterminds taking the bus??!! Ok that's it, you're going in my pool of sharks with frickin laser beams...

27 posted on 06/20/2006 10:53:07 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: AngryJawa
Let me guess: a weasel by the name of Larry Johnson will get lots and lots of face time on this fabulous piece of balanced journalism.

I don’t know, from the article, if Larry will be there, but it certainly seems like just the sort of drivel that would feature him. This reviewer does cite “respected former CIA officer” Paul Pillar from the Frontline piece.

Paul Pillar is an appeasement specialist (author of “Negotiating Peace”) that does not believe in “victory” in wars. His strategies for confronting terrorism always stress that military action is ineffectual and desperate. His big idea for lessening anti-American terrorism is to throw Israel under the bus. (“Muslims’ attitudes will be shaped more by deeds than by words, however, which means that U.S. policies toward Iraq and the Arab-Israeli conflict in particular will be especially influential.”)

He also travels the country giving speeches where he states that Iraq is a failure, “even if the reconstruction and democratization of Iraq go well.”

28 posted on 06/20/2006 10:54:44 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: AngryJawa

"Let me guess: a weasel by the name of Larry Johnson will get lots and lots of face time on this fabulous piece of balanced journalism."

LOL, that's hilarious AJ! I'm still chuckelling.


29 posted on 06/20/2006 10:55:33 AM PDT by Mr.Smorch (Zindabad Azadi)
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To: Mr.Smorch
LOL, that's hilarious AJ! I'm still chuckelling.

I'm not. That jackass is the reason why my remote control is now held together with electrical tape.

30 posted on 06/20/2006 11:01:24 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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To: Tokra

Not to mention India and Pakistan setting off nukes. Remember the fire storm that was caused when the CIA missed that.


31 posted on 06/20/2006 11:03:03 AM PDT by Holicheese (Stanley Cup's new home IS North Carolina!)
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To: new yorker 77

Well, that's the long and short of it.


32 posted on 06/20/2006 11:06:32 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: Maceman

Is that some kind of TV show. Must be on a poorly watched network.

The only famous "Frontline" I ever heard of is for flea and tick control. If only it worked against democRATS as well?


33 posted on 06/20/2006 11:07:26 AM PDT by rod1
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To: Xenalyte

FOFL!


34 posted on 06/20/2006 11:08:02 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (“Double or triple our troubles and we would still be better off than any people on earth.”---Reagan)
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To: Maceman
'Dark Side' sheds light on Cheney

.go f**k yourselves

35 posted on 06/20/2006 11:08:17 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: Maceman

More "Fake But Accurate" from Big Media?


36 posted on 06/20/2006 11:12:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: new yorker 77
Cheney/Rove '08!

Make the libs jump from their window.

37 posted on 06/20/2006 11:13:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Maceman
"Frontline" delivers a devastating look tonight at the efforts of Vice
President Dick Cheney to gain control of the war on terror after 9/11.

I knew there was something I liked about this guy.


38 posted on 06/20/2006 11:17:28 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Maceman
Our Tax Dollars at work:

Since January 1983, FRONTLINE has served as American public television's - PBS - flagship public affairs series. Hailed upon its television broadcast debut as "the last best hope for broadcast documentaries," FRONTLINE's stature over 23 years is reaffirmed each week

39 posted on 06/20/2006 11:20:50 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Peach; Mo1
Virtually no one, in contrast, appears from the Cheney-Rumsfeld camp to defend the two men's actions.

The talking heads are excellent. Most of the ex-spooks are strong, as is David Kay, leader of the failed attempt to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So are intelligence experts Ron Suskind and James Bamford and the inevitable Bob Woodward.

Nice. A tax-payer funded hit-piece on the Veep. And did any of these pundits, producers or supposed CIA analysts ever read the full extent of David Kay's report?? Apparently they couldn't be bothered.

40 posted on 06/20/2006 11:26:14 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (“Double or triple our troubles and we would still be better off than any people on earth.”---Reagan)
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To: Maceman
"Frontline" delivers a devastating look tonight at the efforts of Vice President Dick Cheney to gain control of the war on terror after 9/11.

Gosh, what is this country coming to when one of the top elected officials in the Executive branch tries to gain control of a war??

Everyone knows that wars are best managed by bureaucrats...
41 posted on 06/20/2006 11:26:29 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: AngryJawa

I hear ya. The following is a piece I posted here back in 2002:


"Is this the same Larry Johnson that was quoted in Michael Ledeen's superb book: "The War Against The Terror Master?" In the introduction, Ledeen quotes a "Larry C. Johnson, a former State Department counterterrorism specialist" (presumably during the clinton maladministration). Mr Johnson writes: "If you are drilling for oil in Columbia- or in nations like Ecuador, Nigeria, or Indonesia, you should take appropriate precaution; otherwise Americans have little to fear." According to Ledeen, Johnson predicted that terrorism would decline in the decade beginning in 2000, as it had in the nineties primarily because of the reluctance of countries like Iraq, Syria, and Libya which once eagarly backed terrorist to provide safe havens funding, and training." Ledeen says that Johnson blamed the inflated fear of terrorism on "24-hour broadcast news operations too eager to find a dramatic story" and on "pundits (Britt Hume?) who repeat myths while ignoring empirical data."
Ledeen goes on to say:" the fundamental error in this reasoning was an old one: the assumption that the near future would resemble the immediate past... he assumed that the decline had established an ongoing pattern...Of the three countries on Johnson's list, Libya had in fact reduced it's support for terrorism, but Iraq and Syria certainly had not. And Iran, which Johnson's own State Department correctly identifies as the world's prime terror sponsor, was unaccountably left off his short list."

Larry Johnson is a clintonoid toilet bug. I'm glad FOX had the good sense to get rid of him. He won't be missed."


42 posted on 06/20/2006 11:26:37 AM PDT by Mr.Smorch (Zindabad Azadi)
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To: prairiebreeze

Email frontline here http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/contact/

or use this:

Fax: 617-300-1001
Email: frontline@pbs.org


43 posted on 06/20/2006 11:29:20 AM PDT by ikez78 (www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com)
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To: Maceman; Boazo; pookie18

44 posted on 06/20/2006 11:36:37 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Man was made in the image of God, not pond scum)
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To: Maceman
Paul Pillar, a respected former CIA officer, was a principal author of a signal report on WMDs in Iraq that proved so wrong. ``The purpose was to strengthen the case for going to war with the American public," he says. ``Is it proper for the intelligence community to publish papers for that purpose? I don't think so, and I regret having had a role in it."

Paul Pillar, friend and advisor to Sean Penn, is a "respected" CIA officer.

He must be related to Barney Fife.

45 posted on 06/20/2006 11:39:17 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: Maceman

Please do not tell Chwisssy Mathews this show is on, if he sees it he will slobbering over himself for weeks.


46 posted on 06/20/2006 11:40:51 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Abathar

Get used to it for next couple of months. Last week the Hysteria Channel was broadcasting "The Fog of War". Can Farenheit 911 be far behind for some Cable channel to push?


47 posted on 06/20/2006 11:43:05 AM PDT by Master of Orion
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To: prairiebreeze

Cheney compromised America's intelligence system? ROFL

Somehow I seriously doubt that Dateline will bother explaining what those who were charged with finding WMD have had to say:

Last month Moshe Yaalon, who was Israel's top general at the time, said Iraq transported WMD to Syria six weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began.

Last March, John A. Shaw, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said Russian Spetsnaz units moved WMD to Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

"While in Iraq I received information from several sources naming the exact Russian units, what they took and where they took both WMD materials and conventional explosives," Mr. Shaw told NewsMax reporter Charles Smith.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong was deputy commander of Central Command during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In September 2004, he told WABC radio that "I do know for a fact that some of those weapons went into Syria, Lebanon and Iran."

In January 2004, David Kay, the first head of the Iraq Survey Group which conducted the search for Saddam's WMD, told a British newspaper there was evidence unspecified materials had been moved to Syria from Iraq shortly before the war.

"We know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD program," Mr. Kay told the Sunday Telegraph.

Also that month, Nizar Nayuf, a Syrian journalist who defected to an undisclosed European country, told a Dutch newspaper he knew of three sites where Iraq's WMD was being kept. They were the town of al Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria; the Syrian air force base near the village of Tal Snan, and the city of Sjinsar on the border with Lebanon.

In an addendum to his final report last April, Charles Duelfer, who succeeded David Kay as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said he couldn't rule out a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria.

"There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation," Mr. Duelfer said.

In a briefing for reporters in October 2003, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper Jr., who was head of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency when the Iraq war began, said satellite imagery showed a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion.

"I think the people below Saddam Hussein and his sons' level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," Lt. Gen. Clapper said.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06036/649858.stm


48 posted on 06/20/2006 11:45:21 AM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Maceman
They are now trying to create a myth of Cheney as the eminence Gris of this administration. The CIA ought to be abolished, and its members scattered.
49 posted on 06/20/2006 11:47:03 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan


Austin Pendleton who played the stuttering attorney in My Cousin Vinny.
50 posted on 06/20/2006 11:50:35 AM PDT by Master of Orion
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