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U.S. weighs shootdown of N. Korea missile
AP via Yahoo! ^ | Tuesday, June 20, 2006 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 06/20/2006 3:45:35 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is weighing responses to a possible North Korean missile test that include attempting to shoot it down in flight over the Pacific, defense officials told The Associated Press on Tuesday.

Because North Korea has made it a practice not to announce its missile tests in advance, U.S. officials say they cannot be sure of the government's intentions. Under that circumstance, the Pentagon is considering the possibility that it might need to attempt an interception, two defense officials said.

The officials agreed to discuss the matter only on condition of anonymity because of its political sensitivity.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he could not say whether the multibillion-dollar U.S. anti-missile defense system might be used in the event of a North Korean test. That system, which includes a handful of missiles that could be fired from Alaska and California, has had a spotty record in tests.

Although shooting down a North Korean missile is a possibility, the Pentagon also must consider factors that would argue against such a response, including the risk of shooting and missing and of escalating tensions further with Pyongyang.

Signs of North Korean preparations to launch a long-range, ballistic missile, possibly with sufficient range to reach U.S. territory, have grown in recent weeks, although it is unclear whether the missile has been fully fueled. U.S. officials said Monday the missile was apparently fully assembled and fueled, but others have since expressed some uncertainty.

Also unknown is whether the missile would be launched for a flight-test or to place a satellite in orbit.

Bush administration officials have publicly and privately urged the North Koreans not to conduct the missile test, which would end a moratorium in place since 1999. That ban was adopted after Japan and other nations expressed outrage over an August 1998 launch in which a North Korean missile overflew northern Japan.

At the time of the 1998 launch, the United States had no means of shooting down a long-range missile in flight. Since then, with the investment of tens of billions of dollars, the Pentagon has developed a rudimentary system that it says is capable of defending against a limited number of missiles in an emergency.


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1 posted on 06/20/2006 3:45:40 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon

Don't shoot it down and allow others to observe our system. Blow it up on the pad with a cruise missile.


2 posted on 06/20/2006 3:46:53 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Shoot it down and say nothing.

Don't claim it either way, whether you hit it or miss it.


3 posted on 06/20/2006 3:48:08 PM PDT by marron
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To: neodad

I was thinking the same thing. Blow it up on the launch pad and problem solved.


4 posted on 06/20/2006 3:48:08 PM PDT by Argus
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To: marron

If we launch an interceptor from Fort Greeley, everybody will know ... and there will be no denying it.


5 posted on 06/20/2006 3:49:35 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

"Since then, with the investment of tens of billions of dollars, the Pentagon has developed a rudimentary system that it says is capable of defending against a limited number of missiles in an emergency."

A threat to retaliate against Pyongyang would have exactly the same effect. Pentagon needs to weigh whether when the ABM fails will that lead to the programs cancelation, or will bring more money into this boondoggle.


6 posted on 06/20/2006 3:51:38 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Momaw Nadon
"multibillion dollar" ... "rudimentary" ... "spotty record" ....

Nah ... no bias there. How did that go?

"Nattering Nabobs of Negativism" ...

7 posted on 06/20/2006 3:51:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: neodad; Momaw Nadon
...or like this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1651925/posts?page=119#119
8 posted on 06/20/2006 3:52:39 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I support a US missle defense test!

Take it down.


9 posted on 06/20/2006 3:53:48 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Maybe instead of shooting it down we could redirect its trajectory. Play with it a little while. Catch it. Take it apart. Ship it back in pieces.


10 posted on 06/20/2006 3:55:00 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Momaw Nadon
Since then, with the investment of tens of billions of dollars, the Pentagon has developed a rudimentary system that it says is capable of defending against a limited number of missiles in an emergency.

And it will be worth every single penny PLUS if it stops a single ICBM inbound. What would it be worth to keep say Seattle from becoming a smoking hole?
11 posted on 06/20/2006 3:55:09 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: airborne

Make it so


12 posted on 06/20/2006 3:55:22 PM PDT by spokeshave (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy)
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To: airborne
including the risk of shooting and missing

That'd be quite a nailbiter for those in the U.S. program.

13 posted on 06/20/2006 3:57:19 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Momaw Nadon

N.Koreans test their missile and USA test missile defence. Look at that as some sort of cooperation.


14 posted on 06/20/2006 3:57:44 PM PDT by A. Pole (Gore:We are the most powerful force of nature.We are changing the relationship between Earth and Sun)
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To: spokeshave

Being in california, you're in the impact area. :^o


15 posted on 06/20/2006 3:59:00 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: ErnBatavia

No, we can fire more than one interceptor. AND we can fire from the SURFLTPAC forces.


16 posted on 06/20/2006 4:00:09 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Momaw Nadon

My prediction: No launch. They are faking the fuel-up, and there will be no launch. I haven't read this anywhere, it's just my guess.


17 posted on 06/20/2006 4:00:12 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Free Iran! WARNING! Forbidden Cartoon: .. . *-O)) :-{>. . . .)
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To: A. Pole

Exactly. We "just happened" to run a test concurrent with theirs. I like it.


18 posted on 06/20/2006 4:00:14 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: neodad
Don't shoot it down and allow others to observe our system. Blow it up on the pad with a cruise missile.

Might be considered too close to an act of war. But I agree about not having people observe our systems, so maybe we should launch something from a plane to take it out. Just keep a plane in ready in the air of South Korea ready to go until they intercept the launch.

19 posted on 06/20/2006 4:00:22 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Kozak

Use a different city. Seattle proper is openly pro-palestinian, and very anti-US. Military recruiters on junior college and high school campii are organized against in the open.

Seattle as a smoking hole would mean that Washington State would have a real shot at becoming a red state.

If that's NK's target, give me 30 minutes notice and then fire for effect.


20 posted on 06/20/2006 4:00:39 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: ErnBatavia

From there to here - how many different systems do you think we have primed for launch?

And how many "black ops" systems might get a test?


21 posted on 06/20/2006 4:01:24 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Put the 747 high power laser in place for a boost phase kill and backup with the ballistic kill vehicles if the laser fails. We get free test targets for two anti-missile systems. The Aegis people might want to play too.
22 posted on 06/20/2006 4:01:31 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ArrogantBustard
How about shooting it down from an Aegis cruiser?
23 posted on 06/20/2006 4:02:01 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: RinaseaofDs
Use a different city.

Pearl Harbor?

24 posted on 06/20/2006 4:02:43 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: neodad

"Don't shoot it down and allow others to observe our system. Blow it up on the pad with a cruise missile."

I was wondering if Beijing rang up Ronery guy and said "hey, we want to find out how good the Capitalist Running Dogs ABM system is. How about firing off a LongDong2 and see what happens?".


25 posted on 06/20/2006 4:04:23 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: A CA Guy
Might be considered too close to an act of war.

Close? It definitely would be an act of war. Very bad idea.

26 posted on 06/20/2006 4:05:57 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Momaw Nadon

I think they ought to at least attempt to intercept it if it is launched. It's the best way to send the strongest possible signal to the do-eater that we aren't going to alow him to do this any more.

If we do shoot it down, there is little NK can do other than bitch.


27 posted on 06/20/2006 4:06:19 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: SaxxonWoods
I agree. I think this is all intended to distract us from something else they are doing.

It is also possible they are setting this up so they can claim a failed launch was actually a US shoot down as propaganda to their own people.
28 posted on 06/20/2006 4:06:55 PM PDT by alephnull
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To: Momaw Nadon
Shoot it down,


just prior to launch,


with a Trident.


29 posted on 06/20/2006 4:07:09 PM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

It's the perfect opportunity to test our new anti-ballistic missile system in a real world scenario.

And if it works, then we would have caused NK to lose a lot of 'face'.

Not a bad deal, in my view.


30 posted on 06/20/2006 4:07:56 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breath some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I wonder if the intercept would be detectable if the Navy attempts a mid-course intercept with a Standard-3. I don't know if any WestPac Aegis ships have the upgrades or tubes loaded for this.

It would be nice to hit it in early boost-phase with the Airborne Laser, but I don't know what the exact status of that system. That would probably look like a launch failure and the NK's would be loath to say otherwise and admit defeat.


31 posted on 06/20/2006 4:08:50 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: RinaseaofDs
You do realize the best they could hope for is to spoil your wife's garden in the back yard. Then you will have pay for all that Cr(* again...20 trips to Home Depot and spend the next few weekends fixing it instead of fishing the Sound...

So be careful what you wish for:)

W
32 posted on 06/20/2006 4:09:24 PM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: Myrddin

I'm so unaware of these systems, is the transport made to be refueled? Seems it would have to be but don't know. Same with the laser. Can it be on and idling for a long time?


33 posted on 06/20/2006 4:09:30 PM PDT by battlecry
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To: Kozak
What would it be worth to keep say Seattle from becoming a smoking hole?

In the case of Seattle, I'm willing to go as high as five bucks.

34 posted on 06/20/2006 4:10:00 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Kozak

>.What would it be worth to keep say Seattle from becoming a smoking hole?<<

Seeing as that is where I am, I'd be for it!


35 posted on 06/20/2006 4:11:04 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Momaw Nadon

given the less than spectacular results in extremely controlled tests - nothing would be a more spectacular coup for the North Koreans than us trying and failing to shoot it down.


36 posted on 06/20/2006 4:13:32 PM PDT by Energy Alley ("War on Christians" = just another professional victim group.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
My prediction: No launch. They are faking the fuel-up, and there will be no launch.

You might be right, but you also need to realize that the President can't conclude that because the downside is huge if you're guess - no matter how educated - is wrong. Guess wrong & lose Seattle. Whoops.

37 posted on 06/20/2006 4:15:51 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: gogogodzilla
Not a bad deal, in my view.

And if it doesn't work?

38 posted on 06/20/2006 4:16:13 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: ArrogantBustard
and there will be no denying it.

You can bet your ass the North Koreans will. "Impossible! Yankees not capable of shooting down Superior Korean Technology. Dear Leader say so!"

39 posted on 06/20/2006 4:18:46 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Tallguy
It would be nice to hit it in early boost-phase with the Airborne Laser, but I don't know what the exact status of that system

Couple more years to demonstrate a missile shootdown, and then another couple more years to get enough planes for a CAP. They still have to install the main laser in 2007, there was an article about this just posted in the last day or so. The beauty of this system is that if the laser doesn't work or misses, no one but us will know. If the laser kills it, no one but us will know. All the enemy would know is that their missile suffered a catastrophic failure shortly after takeoff.

40 posted on 06/20/2006 4:19:03 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: neodad
Blow it up on the pad with a cruise missile.

If they are using Kerosene as the fuel and LOX(Liquid Oxygen) as the oxidizer it may blow up on the pad.
41 posted on 06/20/2006 4:24:21 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Why is this even a discussion ?

If any missile reaches any point where it becomes a threat to any of our land or our forces, we take it out.


42 posted on 06/20/2006 4:24:38 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: garbageseeker

Considering all the train "accidents" the North has been having lately, you have to wonder what the likelihood is of a successful launch. If I had to guess I'd say that the North is having a little insurrection problem up there. There have been reports of attempted hits on the Dear Leader. If they can get to him (and they've been close), how difficult would it be to create the conditions necessary to cause a launch-pad failure?


43 posted on 06/20/2006 4:28:54 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: Tallguy; Hugin
The airborne laser is probably three years from being operational ... live test flights are scheduled for next year.

I'm not clear on the operational status of the SM-3, either. It works, but I don't know how many ships it's deployed on. Even that, though, would be hard to deny. The Russians and probably the Chinese would know for sure that we did it.

44 posted on 06/20/2006 4:29:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: lesser_satan
Sure ... but they're lunatics.

I'm talking about sane folks knowing for sure that we took a shot at it.

45 posted on 06/20/2006 4:31:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Tallguy
A launch pad failure is a high possibly.Mixing Kerosene and Liquid Oxygen is a very dangerous process. It took the U.S.A in the Atlas missile program three years to perfect the process before the missile was declared operational. In those three years there pad failures after pad failures.
46 posted on 06/20/2006 4:33:48 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: Tallguy
The NK missile uses liquid oxygen and kerosene which is rather primitive compared to Russia and the United States. Its like comparing a Model-T with a 2005 Mustang. We stopped using the liquid propellant in our missiles 40 years ago because it was dangerous.
47 posted on 06/20/2006 4:40:33 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I agree, i think Kim doesn't have the bomb so the rocket is useless, he's just trying to get attention since he is so ronery. So far it is working, he's got attention, China won't step in and cool his jets, but someone has to.


48 posted on 06/20/2006 4:48:28 PM PDT by freebird5850
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To: Momaw Nadon

We should shoot it down to shut the lefties up, because we're ready to put parts of a larger system into manufacturing production now. It's time to do it.

But the announcement will probably cause the scared North Korean leaders to shut their test down and hide. They're chickens.


49 posted on 06/20/2006 4:50:29 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Operational test, real-world conditions, of the ABM. Got to happen sooner or later.


50 posted on 06/20/2006 4:52:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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