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Nosy Nitpicker, or a Needed Enforcer of Neighborhood Values?
LA Times ^ | 06/20/06 | Jennifer Delson

Posted on 06/20/2006 3:45:57 PM PDT by gubamyster

A Santa Ana man who reports his Latino neighbors for city code violations says he's just trying to raise property values. Some view his actions as part of a culture clash.

How you view the recent news about a Santa Ana man who pleaded guilty to selling cars from his house may depend on which side of South Broadway you live on.

On the east side, Tim Rush says he's "ecstatic, and doing a jig."

For more than a year, Rush had regularly complained to city officials about problem neighbors, particularly Pedro Reyes Rios, whom he nicknamed the "Cal Worthington of South Broadway." Reyes was selling cars parked on the street and in his yard.

"A man's home is his castle," said Rush, 51. "I shouldn't have to be infringed upon by people selling cars, refrigerators and corn on the cob, plus people playing ranchera music at all hours of the day."

On the west side of South Broadway, Reyes and other residents are annoyed with Rush and his stream of complaints, which some view as racially motivated. Some see him as a meddler, an outsider who complains about people and customs he doesn't understand. One neighbor wonders if he's just lonely.

The congested street in the heart of this heavily immigrant city forms an odd divide between the sensibilities of a white man driven to bring suburban order to the street and his mostly Latino neighbors who feel their lifestyle is under siege.

The neighborhood skirmish, say those who study land use issues, is typical of the tension that erupts in densely packed communities in Southern California, where cultures collide.

"The small issues are a sign of a bigger question about how do people with different lifestyles get along," said Kris Day, an associate planning professor at UC Irvine.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; busybodies; govwatch; landuse; libertarianping; porpertyrights; propertyrights; zoning
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1 posted on 06/20/2006 3:45:58 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

and all of Baja California lives in the garage.


2 posted on 06/20/2006 3:47:10 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: gubamyster

The law doesn't make it illegal for Latinos to sell cars unlicenced from your yard, it makes it illegal for ANYone to.

Same for noise ordinances.


3 posted on 06/20/2006 3:48:55 PM PDT by jra
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To: gubamyster
I just spent almost $300 bucks for an open house ad this Sunday.

Open House 1-4PM.

The Section 8 tenants on the top floor decided to break condo rules by sitting on the concrete steps of our 6 unit building.

No cars stopped to visit. Not one.

I'm with Mr. Rush.

4 posted on 06/20/2006 3:51:44 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: jra
But if you are an illegal selling cars its ok
5 posted on 06/20/2006 3:51:49 PM PDT by al baby (Dick Trickle is not a medical condition)
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To: jra
The law doesn't make it illegal for Latinos to sell cars unlicenced from your yard, it makes it illegal for ANYone to.
Same for noise ordinances.

What are you a smart-aleck? Keep thinking that way and before you know it we won't be able to charge racism and immigrant-bashing...

How mean-spirited is that?

6 posted on 06/20/2006 3:54:40 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: gubamyster

Whew! At first glance, I thought the title read "Nitty Nosepicker"!


7 posted on 06/20/2006 3:55:53 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: gubamyster
I was in Santa Ana last week.

It was an odd feeling to be in a supermarket and be the only white person in the store.

ALL of the signage, prices and ads were in Spanish.

ALL the clerks spoke Spanish.

If I had not known better, I would have sworn I was in Mexico.

SoCal is the canary in the coal mine for America regarding Immigration and the bird is really sick.

Cheers,

Cheers,

knewshound
8 posted on 06/20/2006 3:55:53 PM PDT by knews_hound (Driving Liberals nuts since 1975 !)
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To: gubamyster

So, am I right in assuming personal preference trumps conservative values? Leaving aside the illegal dealership, the guy's complaints seem to be that he doesn't care for his neighbor's taste in music and things like that. If a "man's home is his castle" your support for him seems like a justification for the nanny-state and governmental intrusion into non-state matters.


9 posted on 06/20/2006 4:01:55 PM PDT by rpgdfmx
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To: gubamyster

I get upset about my neighbors' dogs. I know I wouldn't put up with what this guy is putting up with.


10 posted on 06/20/2006 4:02:50 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: gubamyster
The congested street in the heart of this heavily immigrant city forms an odd divide between the sensibilities of a white man driven to bring suburban order to the street and his mostly Latino neighbors who feel their lifestyle is under siege.

No bias in that paragraph is there?

What if it had been written this way:

"The congested street in the heart of this heavily illegal immigrant city forms an odd divide between the sensibilities of a white man of apparent European decent driven to bring suburban order to the street and his mostly Latino brown neighbors who feel their lifestyle is under siege.

11 posted on 06/20/2006 4:03:30 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("I don't think Pat Kennedy is crazy, he's just a drunk" -- G. Gordon Liddy (5-10-06))
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To: gubamyster
Follow the city ordnances, work to change them, or shag ass to another city. This really isn't an issue for anyone except those that want to break the law.
12 posted on 06/20/2006 4:04:12 PM PDT by Jaysun (In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.)
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To: gubamyster
his mostly Latino neighbors who feel their lifestyle is under siege.

THEY feel THEIR lifestyle is under siege? From Americans? That one takes the cake.

13 posted on 06/20/2006 4:04:57 PM PDT by Jhensy
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To: rpgdfmx
Leaving aside the illegal dealership,

Other then that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

14 posted on 06/20/2006 4:06:07 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("I don't think Pat Kennedy is crazy, he's just a drunk" -- G. Gordon Liddy (5-10-06))
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To: knews_hound

When I lived in Orange County they had an ordinance that said one residence one family. (two adults+kids). I don't blame him I'd ge PISSED too.


15 posted on 06/20/2006 4:06:46 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: gubamyster

If they don't like their lifestyle being under siege, maybe they should just go back to Mexico.

Simple, effective, neat.


16 posted on 06/20/2006 4:11:32 PM PDT by bordergal (uis)
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To: Jhensy
his mostly Latino neighbors who feel their lifestyle is under siege.

THEY feel THEIR lifestyle is under siege? From Americans? That one takes the cake.


Oh, no. No no no. You can't look at it that way.

17 posted on 06/20/2006 4:11:39 PM PDT by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: Publius6961
"What are you a smart-aleck? Keep thinking that way and before you know it we won't be able to charge racism and immigrant-bashing..."

The next thing you know, they will be raizing goats, chickens and cattle in their back yards or balconys. Wait- they already do.

18 posted on 06/20/2006 4:15:20 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: gubamyster
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Si, es el Gringo ‘Tim Rush’. He no like us because he no like our culture. Es uno loco gringo. Look at his clothes. Why does he dress so funny? Por que? Oy, mi mamacita.

19 posted on 06/20/2006 4:15:43 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("I don't think Pat Kennedy is crazy, he's just a drunk" -- G. Gordon Liddy (5-10-06))
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Reyes, a cook, sees it differently. "No one likes him here," he said. "He wants to change Santa Ana.

Huh? It's the ILLEGAL ALIENS that have changed Santa Ana!!

20 posted on 06/20/2006 4:16:02 PM PDT by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: DCPatriot
Open House 1-4PM.The Section 8 tenants on the top floor decided to break condo rules by sitting on the concrete steps of our 6 unit building.No cars stopped to visit. Not one.

With each of the several houses I've bought,I've always sought to live in the most affluent town I could possibly afford.Doing so eliminates problems like the one you've described.I'd much rather live in a 300 sq ft garage in Greenwich,CT than in a 5,000 sq ft mansion in Bridgeport.

21 posted on 06/20/2006 4:17:23 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: gubamyster

Serving food from your home around here is generally a no-no, yet a few streets away apparently you can sell tacos from a roach coach parked in your driveway.


22 posted on 06/20/2006 4:21:12 PM PDT by Sabatier
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To: rpgdfmx
the guy's complaints seem to be that he doesn't care for his neighbor's taste in music and things like that.

The man's complaint seems to be that people are blasting their stereos, have barking dogs, living 10+ people to a house & have turned their front lawns into various business. I don't think it would matter to him if they were playing Ranchero music or Lawrence Welk, blasting music at 2:00 am as well as the other issues are all violations of the law.

Your profile page doesn't say where you live, so maybe you haven't been to Santa Ana or some parts of LA recently. If you had, you would see/hear all of the above in addition to roosters tied up in front lawns & crowing early every morning. You would also see vacant lots or empty parking lots turned into swap meets with people selling their junk. Or you would see every chain-link fence in front of peoples' houses hung with clothing for sale or your neighbor setting up a taco stand right on the corner cooking & selling tacos or meat on a stick. Maybe where you live there are no city laws, and maybe you are not taxed for enforcement of these or laws but in SoCal we are.

Frankly I don't understand why Latino business owners who have to pay rent, utilities, pass health inspections, buy business permits and comply with other laws don't complain themselves about these people who set up shop on their front lawns or corner & compete with businesses.

23 posted on 06/20/2006 4:23:04 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

They come here for a better life, and then they want to change it to their OLD way.


24 posted on 06/20/2006 4:23:49 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: DCPatriot
Forgive the ignorance on my part....what is a "Section 8 tenant" ?

I know Klinger was a Section 8........?

Reported to condo committee?

Sorry to hear this.

25 posted on 06/20/2006 4:24:28 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: LasVegasMac
Section 8 tenant:

Read welfare subsidized

26 posted on 06/20/2006 4:29:57 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: LasVegasMac

Someone who qualifies for tenant housing assistance under Section 8.


27 posted on 06/20/2006 4:30:24 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind / Must I always use a sarcasm off tag??)
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To: LasVegasMac
Section 8 means they get public assistance for rent. Most apartment buildings must set aside a percentage of units for Section 8 housing.
28 posted on 06/20/2006 4:32:08 PM PDT by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: LasVegasMac
Section 8 landlords are those that rent to people on government welfare. The government pays ALL or a percentage of the rent.

In addition to not having any risk of non-payment of rent...the landlord can even get the government to replace and/or repair broken items or damage done by the tenant.

What a country!!

29 posted on 06/20/2006 4:33:25 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: rpgdfmx

"So, am I right in assuming personal preference trumps conservative values? Leaving aside the illegal dealership, the guy's complaints seem to be that he doesn't care for his neighbor's taste in music and things like that. If a "man's home is his castle" your support for him seems like a justification for the nanny-state and governmental intrusion into non-state matters."



"In my own Mexico City neighborhood, there are poor "whites" and well to do dark skinned people. There are some people of African descent, but mostly immigrants from the Carribean or Brazil (or Africa, surprisingly). Slaves in Spanish culture were allowed to marry whomever they chose, which were usually free women (mostly indigenous women)-- the few Afro-Mexicans around now are backwoods country folks, seen much as "hillbillies" are seen in our culture. That's a stereotype, but not "racist" in the sense we use it."





What kind of neighbothood do you live in?


30 posted on 06/20/2006 4:34:37 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: kitkat
"They come here for a better life, and then they want to change it to their OLD way."

They miss that stench caused by overcrowded nieborhoods using back lanes as urinals. Now it has that "back home" smell and feel.

31 posted on 06/20/2006 4:35:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: gubamyster
To a certain extent I feel for the guy. However, he still sounds like a neighbor from hell. He knew what the neighborhood would be like when he bought in.
32 posted on 06/20/2006 4:36:11 PM PDT by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: LasVegasMac

Furthermore, Section 8 tenants do have *some* responsibilties.

http://library.findlaw.com/1999/Mar/12/126750.html

Responsibilities to the Project and to Your Fellow Residents

Conducting yourself in a manner that will not disturb your neighbors.
Not engaging in criminal activity in the unit, common area, or grounds.
Keeping your unit clean and not littering the grounds or common areas.
Disposing of garbage and waste in a proper manner.
Complying with local codes that affect the health or safety of the residence.
Maintaining your apartment and common areas in the same general physical condition as when you moved in.
Reporting any defects in building systems, fixtures, appliances, or other parts of the unit, the grounds, or related facilities to the management.



Caution: Despite some websites that stress only tenant *rights*. See:

http://www.tenantsunion.org/STOP/37/section-8-tenants-rights


33 posted on 06/20/2006 4:39:25 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind / Must I always use a sarcasm off tag??)
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To: gubamyster
Still, for many in the neighborhood, Rush is a curiosity. They can't figure out why he lives alone in a house or why he flies a U.S. flag on a street where many people aren't even U.S. citizens.
34 posted on 06/20/2006 4:41:43 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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To: BurbankKarl
If you see one of these, you know your 'hood is "in transition"...

35 posted on 06/20/2006 4:45:28 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: NathanR
He knew what the neighborhood would be like when he bought in.

From the article:

Two years ago, Rush, a longtime city resident who trains real estate agents for a living, bought a home on the fringe of Wilshire Square because, at $439,000, it was one he could afford in Santa Ana after his divorce.

Also, the article says some of his Latino neighbors are happy he has been able to clean up the neighborhood & get rid of the used car dealership.

36 posted on 06/20/2006 5:00:44 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: bwteim

Yes, it is time to sell when you neighborhood reaks of Section 7.9


37 posted on 06/20/2006 5:00:53 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: NathanR

I'm sure the area was much different years ago. Not sure how long he's lived there, but it could be the area changed, all his old neighbors moved away, and he's one of the only Anglos left there.


38 posted on 06/20/2006 5:02:58 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: knews_hound

Dude, you are in Mexico...


39 posted on 06/20/2006 5:03:35 PM PDT by GoShow (Just Like Affirmative Action)
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To: gubamyster

Sounds like the guy is already outnumbered; glad to know he is white, that adds a lot to the story.


40 posted on 06/20/2006 5:08:57 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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I had a neighbor like that. She moved into the house when I was 12. Apparently while I was gone, she terrorized the whole street. I thought it was weird that a rare pleasant day was filled with nothing but birds squacking, instead of kids playing pick up ball games in the street.

I want to have some sympathy for the person complaining, but I've had to put up with quite a bit of chicken raising, mariachi blasting, car repair on the "lawn", that it doesn't even phase me. Better "hola amigos", then have some stringy old witch call the police on us, the minute we walked outside the house.

Btw, my bf sold some used cars. We used to live on a frontage road parallel to the I-15, and with our landlord's permission, sold them. Of course, he fixed all his cars and trucks at a steep discount ;) He does body work.


41 posted on 06/20/2006 5:22:14 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: gubamyster
roosters tied up in front lawns & crowing early every morning.

Got a fix for that. . .


Beeman R9 Goldfinger Air Rifle.

-ccm

42 posted on 06/20/2006 5:35:00 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: BurbankKarl

And get the jump on those who wait to sell when it hits 8;)


43 posted on 06/20/2006 5:52:30 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind / Must I always use a sarcasm off tag??)
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To: All

John & Ken ( KFI AM 640) will be talking w/ Tim Rush after the 6:00 news.


44 posted on 06/20/2006 5:57:48 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: NathanR

The guy's 51; he very likely lived there twenty years ago -- BEFORE it got the way it is now. Santa Ana, since you prolly have no clue, has REALLY gone down the flusher in the last two decades.


45 posted on 06/20/2006 6:45:13 PM PDT by HKMk23 (When I was a boy, "being a grown up" involved more than just physiology.)
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To: snowman1

In the fifties, all my kookiest relatives moved to Southern California where you could be yourself. Now they are all moving out of there because you can't unless you are illegal or some movie star.


46 posted on 06/20/2006 7:22:58 PM PDT by mathurine (ua)
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To: gubamyster

I read that building codes aren't enforced in Los Angeles and San Fransisco. It isn't just the Hispanics. The Asians will add on without permission - all the time


47 posted on 06/20/2006 7:30:30 PM PDT by dennisw (Fate of Nations)
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To: dennisw

Couple of years ago I went back to the little city in VA where I grew up. Sad. At the time nearly everyone on the street was military families (as were we). Lawns and houses were clean, neat and maintained. Now, 80% of these houses have wood decks coming off the front porch along with cars, toys, bicycles and whatnot all over the fron yards. Your first impression as you drive down the street is that somehow you are looking at the back yards of the houses.

Talked to a lady on the street. She said the local government is vexed with trying to stop multiple families in single family zoned hoods. They were considering changing zoning to limit the number of residents by the square footage of the house. Don't know if it happened. I suspect not.

The house my dad sold for $19K was worth $240K (3 years ago) and looked like a dump.


48 posted on 06/20/2006 7:45:23 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: ansel12

I've never made any secret that I live most of the time in Mexico City. My question was more about the willingness to abandon conservative principles ("A man's home is his castle" and the general sense that one is free to live your life however you damn well please -- even if it pisses off the nosy neighbor down the street), not to mention the conservative -- or perhaps libertarian -- belief that the state should stay out of private economic affairs.

It sure looks like people are spinning the story to justify state intervention in the marketplace, in personal affairs and in people's general liberty to me.

BTW, nothing in the article said anything about "illegal" immigrants. Either something is missing from the article, or people are reading in what they want.


49 posted on 06/20/2006 10:58:02 PM PDT by rpgdfmx
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To: rpgdfmx

"My question was more about the willingness to abandon conservative principles ("A man's home is his castle" and the general sense that one is free to live your life however you damn well please -- even if it pisses off the nosy neighbor down the street), not to mention the conservative -- or perhaps libertarian -- belief that the state should stay out of private economic affairs."



I'm conservative and a contractor in California and I have a real respect for why we have strict building codes and licensing for contractors.

When I go into a neighborhood like the one described, I can see the consequences and danger of much of the illegal work being done, not to mention the hell of living among illegal businesses, like some guy running an illegal car lot off neighborhood public streets.


I've never heard of conservatives that support your standard of total chaos.

It seems odd you would choose to live in one of the world's oppressive countries, hope you are working hard to bring freedom to Mexico.


50 posted on 06/21/2006 9:43:33 AM PDT by ansel12
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