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THE DARK SIDE (Frontline CIA/CYA Barf Alert)
Frontline PBS ^ | June 20, 2006 | Michael Kirk

Posted on 06/21/2006 12:27:12 PM PDT by n-tres-ted

After 9/11, Vice President Richard Cheney seized the initiative. He pushed to expand executive power, transform America's intelligence agencies and bring the war on terror to Iraq. But first he had to take on George Tenet's CIA for control over intelligence.

(Excerpt) Read more at pbs.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; cheney; cia; ciatryingtocya; clarke; defundpbs; frontline; iraq; leaks; libby; pbs; plame; powell; rumsfeld; tenet; terror; war; wilson
Last night I sat and watched all 90 minutes of this massive propaganda effort, undoubtedly financed by tax revenues through the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. I looked for a single instance of balance in the nature of facts reported on the other side of the allegations being made. Unfortunately, what I saw repeatedly was one side only of issues relating to the reasons for invading Iraq, the Valerie Plame fiasco and related Libby indictment fiasco, up and down the line. The whole video is available for watching online, and more extensive interviews of the online personalities are at the link. Many, maybe most, of the sources are the CIA people who were busted out by Goss. Also, Wilson, Clarke, Powell's deputy, et al. I believe this is the first airing of this show, since it is on the main page of Frontline. Anyone else see it?
1 posted on 06/21/2006 12:27:15 PM PDT by n-tres-ted
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To: n-tres-ted

I stopped at "PBS".


2 posted on 06/21/2006 12:30:15 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: n-tres-ted
I saw part of this. I find it hilarious that the CIA is never ever to blame for anything... it's always the Office of the President or the Military. The all powerful CIA could never be wrong on anything!

These clowns have been so wrong so many times that I doubt that I wouldn't trust them to drive a car let alone with our nations security. My favorite is the that fat woodchuck looking weasel who has profitted by writing several books... What a POS. He was personally charged with monitoring OBL and he blames EVERYBODY but himself.
4 posted on 06/21/2006 12:35:08 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: n-tres-ted
>THE DARK SIDE
>>I sat and watched all 90 minutes of this massive propaganda effort

The lunatic is in the hall.
The lunatics are in my hall.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more . . .



5 posted on 06/21/2006 12:37:18 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Minus_The_Bear
These clowns have been so wrong so many times that I doubt that I wouldn't trust them to drive a car let alone with our nations security.

Exactly right (sadly so) - Outside of the SAD of the CIA the rest is full of BS'ers more often then not -

6 posted on 06/21/2006 12:37:30 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: n-tres-ted

I don't do the furniture auction/beg-a-thon channel any longer.


7 posted on 06/21/2006 12:42:42 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Minus_The_Bear

What would be funny if this propaganda weren't so appalling is to see the left blindly defending the CIA...... guess they didn't get the memo of talking points saying the CIA is evil.....


8 posted on 06/21/2006 12:45:16 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: n-tres-ted
If it is "PBS" it must be supporters of terrorist. The CIA, under Clinton, in my opinion of what I have read was nothing but a holding place for left-wing Democrats as can now be seen from their committed felons in releasing (leaking) classified information to help the enemy.
9 posted on 06/21/2006 12:45:17 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: n-tres-ted

I refuse to watch Frontline


10 posted on 06/21/2006 12:47:04 PM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: n-tres-ted

One of George Bush's biggest mistakes was in not firing Tenet right off the bat.


11 posted on 06/21/2006 12:49:08 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: n-tres-ted
I'd like to see a documentary about how Clinton-Gore changed the CIA's role from gathering intelligence on other nations and political groups to spying on international business. This change in missions was announced publicly by the administration in the 90's after the Cold War. This intelligence effort was supposed to aid American corporations and formulate trade decisions but I would guess it was distributed selectively to Democrat-friendly industries and individuals--like George Soros who was allowed to become a virtual robber baron in the former Soviet bloc.
12 posted on 06/21/2006 12:49:58 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: n-tres-ted

there are limits to Freedom of the press in time of war. PBS should be shut down, along with the rest of the traitorous MSM.


13 posted on 06/21/2006 12:50:18 PM PDT by balch3
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To: n-tres-ted

I was astounded at the total one-sidedness of this "documentary" puff piece that could have been made by Joseph Wilson himself.

Not one opposing viewpoint, no investigation of Wilson and Plame's ties to the anti-GWB re-election cabal...nothing.

What a farce, and I'm sure it was paid for with our tax dollars.

Makes me wonder who won, after Goss and Fogg got fired and the guys THEY had fired all came sweeping back in...seems like the "good ol' boys" got rid of the reformers and took back the Tenet/Wilson crew.

Ed


14 posted on 06/21/2006 12:53:32 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: n-tres-ted

I saw an add for this on townhall.com today. It was very irritating to have to have it on my computer screen.


15 posted on 06/21/2006 12:58:32 PM PDT by marinamuffy (Capitalists of the World Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: n-tres-ted

I didn't see it, but the TV reviewer for the Seattle Times gave it a rave review yesterday. Based on what he said, I concluded the piece was unbalanced and dishonest. If the review was correct, the show was claiming that Cheney bamboozled the public into believing that Iraq was behind 9/11. Of course, Cheney never made that claim, and the main arguments for the war were Iraq's violation of the various U.N. sanctions. This is not ancient history, and anyone with a brain should easily remember it. So the show was blatant historic revisionism.


16 posted on 06/21/2006 12:59:42 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: andy58-in-nh

I gave up when I realized it wasn't about SITH training techniques.


17 posted on 06/21/2006 1:25:51 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: n-tres-ted
I watched all of it and of course it was a "Cheney is evil" hit piece. Remember when they listed all the things the CIA has missed over the years, starting with the fall of Communism, the attacks at Lebanon, the rise of the Mullah's in Iran, etc...the list went on and on and on. No wonder Cheney does not trust the CIA, they have gotten nothing right since I have been alive.

All the show was was a stage for the CIA to say they did nothing wrong when in fact, everyone knows that if they had just done one thing right in the last 35 years, 9/11 may not have happened. I will trust Cheney and Pres. Bush any day over the CIA.

18 posted on 06/21/2006 1:26:17 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
I was stunned to hear how they were saying that Rumsfield was being evil and manipulative because he wouldn't leave THE CIA IN CHARGE OF COMBAT OPERATIONS IN AFGANISTAN?????? OMG! This program was a rogues gallery of the CIA officers who Porter Goss gave the boot.

The point of the special CIA good. The elected administration.. venal screw ups scheming to control the policy and armed forces of the United States. HUH?

19 posted on 06/21/2006 1:47:49 PM PDT by dalight
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To: n-tres-ted
I was listening out of the corner of my ear while I did other stuff on my computer. Here's my post from last night: previous thread.

Worst points: incredible amount of ominousness. No hint that the Coalition may have done the right thing, or even that anybody still thinks so. Letting Joe Wilson have his say with -incredibly- no qualifying as to his fat lies.

All that said, in some ways the documentary does tend to dispute the more outrageous exotic claims of antiwar moonbats. The Administration is shown to be acting in the way they believe is best.

20 posted on 06/21/2006 1:53:07 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: yellowdoghunter

That early listing of past CIA failures looked somewhat hopeful that the reporting would be somewhat objective. But let's look at an example of what they did on Afghanistan. Frontline reported as if CIA won Afghanistan single-handedly, with no help from the Defense Department (i.e., military). They made a big deal of stating that the CIA was in Afghanistan 30 days before any military, making it appear the CIA was in the driver's seat in calling in air strikes on the Taliban forces. Yet, in "The Hunt For Bin Laden," it was the special ops guys who did all that, with almost no assist from the CIA. What is the truth?

Another instance was the reporting of the discussions at Camp David on the weekend immediately after 9/11. Bob Woodward's book on the subject reported very specifically that Rumsfeld did not raise the subject of Iraq when he reported DoD's assessment in response to Tenet's initial presentation. Woodward said Wolfowitz raised Iraq by interrupting Rumsfeld (causing Rummy's eyes to narrow to slits). This caused the president to pass a note that only head's of agencies were to speak. Then late in the day the president called a rest break and a reconvening for final assessments. During the rest break, according to Woodward, the president circulated a memo to all participants saying he had heard enough about Iraq and it should not be a part of the final assessments when the participants reconvened. NONE of this was reported by Frontline, even though Woodward was one of its sources. And Frontline made it appear that Bush's final orders after the Camp David conclave were really dictated by Cheney after he got the president alone. What is the truth? This again appeared to be a pre-conceived agenda transcript regardless of the facts.


21 posted on 06/21/2006 3:03:08 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

Hmmm... thanks for your post. I searched for the Dark Side before posting and nothing showed up. Wonder how that happened.


22 posted on 06/21/2006 3:05:22 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: sgtbono2002
One of George Bush's biggest mistakes was in not firing Tenet right off the bat.

Amen, sgt. And Norman Minetta, too.

I think he listened to Dad on both of these, and maybe on immigration, too.

23 posted on 06/21/2006 3:07:48 PM PDT by WarEagle (Karl Rove did it....)
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To: n-tres-ted
Woodward said Wolfowitz raised Iraq by interrupting Rumsfeld (causing Rummy's eyes to narrow to slits).

Laughing out loud! It puts me in mind of Rummy as some irascible alien on Star Trek NG.

24 posted on 06/21/2006 3:11:52 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: WarEagle

Frontline said the Tenet call by GWB was made upon the strong endorsement of Bush 41, for whom Tenet had renamed CIA headquarters at Langley, VA. Tenet was described as very deft at politics, but one who succumbed to the sirens of power. The CIA officer who wrote the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq expressed his mea culpa for having been pressured to put into the report what Cheney wanted, and then Frontline let another CIA officer describe the fellow as the most sterling of intelligence agents who would not have done such a thing except under the most extraordinary circumstances. How pathetic, particularly on the part of Frontline!


25 posted on 06/21/2006 3:23:31 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

Yes, I've seen those "slits for eyes" of Rummies a number of times on the tube, mostly when he gets completely fence-post dumb questions from reporters.


26 posted on 06/21/2006 3:25:17 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: n-tres-ted
Do you what's funny?

Rick Santoram (sp?) telling everyone about all the WMD's that supposedly never existed according to Frontline and all the disgraced former "analysts" of the CIA.

Those Psuedo-intellectuals on that show last night dropped the ball on 9/11.
27 posted on 06/21/2006 7:50:00 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: dalight

I saw it the same way you describe. And did they ever overcook their assertion that Rummy and the Pentagon got caught with their pants down when the president wanted to act promptly against Afghanistan. The book I mentioned, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," said the Central Command wanted something like six months to prepare, but a Special Ops colonel said we can do it now. So the president went with the SO operation.


28 posted on 06/21/2006 9:53:06 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: I got the rope

Good point. I wonder if the show last night had something to do with de-classification of the WMD info today.


29 posted on 06/21/2006 9:55:01 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: n-tres-ted
This special was meant to be an anthem to keep the libs from melting down due to the truth squeaking out everywhere. It was by far the worst piece of Journalism that I have seen coming out of Frontline. A show I pretty much like. Its just the zanyness of the left has cause almost all of the Journalists to leave the realm of reason and fact for self serving fantasy.
30 posted on 06/21/2006 11:21:25 PM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight

Yes, I had certainly hoped for a higher standard of integrity from Frontline, rather than total dedication to Leftist ideology. I'm sure the Left will hope that this becomes a plank of "history" of what really happened as America began transforming the Middle East.


31 posted on 06/22/2006 12:29:58 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: n-tres-ted

"The Dark Side" was confused and confusing: On the one hand, CIA was demonstrably not there for us about the nature of the Al Qaeda threat, and (most tellingly) about 9/11). On the the other hand, they're just the best and the brightest. Every analyst at CIA (apparently) submitted a "minority report" on Iraq and (specifically) "no WMD", but somehow the intel estimates said "slam dunk". The President (according to "Frontline") gave CIA the lead on Afghanistan and Iraq, but somehow Tenet was so overawed by Cheney and Rumsfeld (who had been "defeated,thwarted and frustrated by him") that he could only say "slam dunk" when the President himself (allegedly) said "George, this 'evidence' looks a mite thin" (which would have been the perfect time to mention the "minority reports" every "analyst" had presumably submittted).

After the show, it occurred to me that what I had just watched, insofar as it essentially "exonerated" the President, Secretary Powell and George Tenet, was an attempt to get one of those gentleman to say something really nasty about the VP and Rummy (in keeping with the current Democrat "accountability for mistakes says Rummy must go" mantra).


32 posted on 06/22/2006 12:55:55 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: andy58-in-nh
The militarization of the CIA might be well now well on its' way back to the original charter. McDill/CENTCOM might just be consolidated/folded into the new command structure and not in Langley. Intelligence and outreach can no longer be entrusted to the hands of the good ol' boys in suits.

Makes sense.
33 posted on 06/22/2006 1:03:49 PM PDT by Broker (COD Phlyer)
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To: pawdoggie

An excellent description of the Frontline presentation.


34 posted on 06/22/2006 3:25:38 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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