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Document: Saddam Ordered Biological And Radiation Test on Presidential Sites Attacked by US in 1998
Pentagon/FMSO website Iraqi Pre-War documents ^ | June 21 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 06/21/2006 2:17:48 PM PDT by jveritas

Document ISGP-2003-00300134 contains Top Secret And Personal letters that carry Saddam orders to do radiation and biological testing on the Presidential sites that were attacked by the US in December 1998.

Beginning of translation of the first top secret and personal memo

In the Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate

Top Secret And Personal

The Republic of Iraq

The Presidential Secretariat

Number: 537304/1

18/12/1998

ORDER

Mr. President The Leader (God Protects Him) Order:

Form committees from the Ministry of Health and the Military Industrialization Commission and The Atomic Energy Organization and The Special Security Service with its missions to test the sites that had been subject to enemy bombardment and inspect for contamination and radiation in particular the Presidential Sites and immediately. Also gather the existing shrapnels and in coordination with Dr. Mona Al Jaboori from the Science Faculty in Baghdad University.

Signature Ahmad Hussein Khadir

18/12/1998

End of translation of the first memo

Beginning of translation of the second top secret and personal memo

In the Name of God the Most Merciful The Most Compassionate

Top Secret And Personal

The Republic of Iraq

The Presidential Secretariat

Number: 289

3/1/1999

To The Respected Mr. Health Minister

Subject: Order

Following our leeter numbered (5372) on 18/12/1998 an agreement was obtained for the following:

1. Re- Test the sites after the removal of debris.

2. Limit a period of two weeks to a month to take Biological Samples from the sites and return to the periodic testing and in a normal fashion later on.

3. Study the subject of AGM 186 missiles that contain ready round shrapnels and that is used for mass destruction through the targeting of human forces.

Take what is necessary regarding this and inform us… with regards

Signature Ahmad Hussein Khadir

3/1/1999

End of translation of the second memo


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1 posted on 06/21/2006 2:17:53 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: jveritas

I'm sure it was just to see if the US used nuclear missiles. /s


2 posted on 06/21/2006 2:20:12 PM PDT by pissant
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To: jveritas
The question is obvious....

Why test unless you're worried about the contents (that they supposedly didn't have) within the structures?

3 posted on 06/21/2006 2:20:35 PM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

Some will interpet this a Saddam believing that the US used weapons that contains nuclear radiation or biological weapons against the palaces, but knowing that Saddam made was ready to be bombed in 1998 to prevent the UN WMD inspectors from searching the Presidential palaces for WMD, and he got bombed indeed, then this document carry a lot of importance.


4 posted on 06/21/2006 2:24:07 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: eyespysomething

PING


5 posted on 06/21/2006 2:24:31 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: pissant
m sure it was just to see if the US used nuclear missiles. /s

or biological weapons :)

By the way the Top Secret and Personal letter carried the highest level of secrecy in Saddam regime.

6 posted on 06/21/2006 2:26:34 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

No doubt he was all prepared with the, "I wuz framed" defense if traces of radioactive/biological material were found in the rubble.


7 posted on 06/21/2006 2:31:26 PM PDT by edpc
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To: jveritas

Glad Saddamn is gone....thanks for the translation. ;o)


8 posted on 06/21/2006 2:35:37 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: jveritas

Given the very public information that X42 had used depleted uranium against the Serbs, is it all that unsusual that SH would wonder if we were using similar material against his country?


9 posted on 06/21/2006 2:40:07 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: jveritas; eyespysomething

IMPORTANT:

We need some Freeper volunteers.

I'm worried that if the mounting evidence in these documents starts to make some people uneasy, the documents might suddenly disappear from the internet.

So we should download and save as many of these documents as possible so that Jveritas and eyespysomething and others can continue this important work.

This is what we need:

A. To download and save as many as possible... which means either one of these:

1. Someone with huge amounts of disk storage space who can save them all in one place.

or --

2. A bunch of Freepers to volunteer their time and disk storage space to download these documents.

And if we use option #2 above, then we also need:

B. Some way to assign which documents each person will download and save, to prevent duplication of effort.


Any volunteers? Any suggestions on how to accomplish B ??

Please ping anyone you think could help.

Unfortunately, I can't do any of it (downloading, organizing, assigning, etc.) due to an already overloaded schedule. So please don't reply to me directly. But hopefully some Freepers will get this accomplished.


10 posted on 06/21/2006 2:40:46 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims - human and animal - of Katrina and Rita)
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To: OldFriend
That can be his public excuse but no one knows. It can be also they were worried about destroyed WMD hidden in their palaces. You remember that Saddam was willing to be bombed in 1998, and he was bombed indeed, so he will not let the UN WMD inspectors search the Presidential Palaces.
11 posted on 06/21/2006 2:49:51 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: OldFriend

The tests for biological seem to make that an unlikely explanation.


12 posted on 06/21/2006 2:50:26 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: jveritas
Thank you so much for your explanation. I am sure my lack of being informed was quite obvious.

That said, we owe you a tremendous debt of gratitude for your work on behalf of the civilized world.

13 posted on 06/21/2006 2:52:28 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: thoughtomator

EXACTLY.


14 posted on 06/21/2006 2:52:38 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: OldFriend
Thank you very much my fellow freeper just doing my little duty. Anyway there is breaking news at this moment that we found some WMD in Iraq and Senator Santorum is holding a press conference as we speak about this! :)
15 posted on 06/21/2006 2:54:27 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: BagCamAddict; jveritas

I wouldn't worry- there is at LEAST one person who has catalogued, copied, saved and interpreted these docs :)


16 posted on 06/21/2006 2:55:17 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jveritas

bump


17 posted on 06/21/2006 3:32:36 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: jveritas
Image hosted by Photobucket.com another home run Sir...

with all the stuff YOU are getting, kinda makes you wonder what the govt. take was and what are they holding back and why???

18 posted on 06/21/2006 3:43:27 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: jveritas
WABC radio news actually reporting the WMD find.

Playing it straight too.....so far.

19 posted on 06/21/2006 4:50:19 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: SE Mom

I don't mean the ones that have already been translated, I mean all the ones yet to be downloaded, saved, and translated. After all, weren't there thousands of BOXES of documents?? That's what I thought I heard.


20 posted on 06/21/2006 5:44:39 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims - human and animal - of Katrina and Rita)
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To: OldFriend

Do you have any idea whatsoever in what sort of munitions DU is used? Or are you just running on media hysteria with that?


21 posted on 06/21/2006 6:16:17 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: BagCamAddict

Gotta love someone that proposes something like that, even takes the time to lay it all out - but they are too busy and please don't respond to them directly!


22 posted on 06/21/2006 6:16:23 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two. Osama Bin laden)
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To: FreedomPoster

Please read my post #13 and then GET LOST!


23 posted on 06/21/2006 6:19:42 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: BagCamAddict
Where are these documents you'd like downloaded, and how many Gigabytes of disk storage are we talking?
24 posted on 06/21/2006 6:22:28 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: jveritas
If Clinton would have used Nukes on Saddam he would have succeeded in getting Monica off the Front Page.
25 posted on 06/21/2006 6:32:43 PM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: jveritas

bttt


26 posted on 06/21/2006 6:33:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

bttt


27 posted on 06/21/2006 6:40:28 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: jveritas

Gen. McInerney stated on Hannity & Colmes that he, McInerney, personally heard recordings of Saddam Hussein communicating that the Russkies, Chicoms & French were transporting WMD from Iraq to Syria in 2003.


28 posted on 06/21/2006 6:41:45 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: BagCamAddict

Call Karl Rove...i am sure he has copies galore...but you make an excellant point in your post!


29 posted on 06/21/2006 7:10:49 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Moderate Mooslims.....what's that?)
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To: kellynla

Ok, everyone!

NOW HEAR THIS! NOW HEAR THIS!!

The libs will believe nothing that doesn't fit in with their comic book version of the real world.


30 posted on 06/21/2006 7:13:23 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Moderate Mooslims.....what's that?)
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To: Chode; jveritas
C wrote: "with all the stuff YOU are getting, kinda makes you wonder what the govt. take was and what are they holding back and why???"
Joe. Thanks again for your efforts. Gents.
I have been under the impression with the enormouse amount of stuff to get cataloged, transfered into the Harmony Datbase, that then can be item at a time downloaded to the mirror sites for public consumption etc., that the units in the DIA, and say Army and Airforce in Qatar (and elsewhere), simply do not have enough translators to be be putting thousands of documents into a "good English form".
So it has been hoped the Arabic versions can be examined by people like jveritas over a period of time and made public at web sites. Of course things like videos of Saddam and his goons talking about stuff of interest, again is in Arabic, so, it makes it hard to transliterate such sources for general consumption. It simply may not be that anyone is holding back but more a case of operational limitations.
31 posted on 06/21/2006 7:14:35 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: kellynla

I heard that too! Unbelievable! And where is the MSM on this latest news about WMD??

Oh, I see they are focused on the Marines being charged for what is probably another frame-up job.

Figures. I really loathe the MSM.


32 posted on 06/21/2006 7:14:39 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: jveritas
That can be his public excuse but no one knows. It can be also they were worried about destroyed WMD hidden in their palaces. You remember that Saddam was willing to be bombed in 1998, and he was bombed indeed, so he will not let the UN WMD inspectors search the Presidential Palaces.

Absolutely! Another great find! Thanks!

33 posted on 06/21/2006 7:17:03 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: kellynla

I heard that too Kelly. The General may be very well correct. However from the thousands of pages of Iraqi document I read so far, I am more leaning that the WMD or Precursors to WMD we buried somewhere in the Anbar Province in the Western Desert.


34 posted on 06/21/2006 7:17:52 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Weasel67

Ping


35 posted on 06/21/2006 7:25:37 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Al 'blahblahblah' Gore's eyes.)
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To: jveritas; All

Whatever happened to Dr. Mona Al Jaboori ? Does anyone know?


36 posted on 06/21/2006 7:32:16 PM PDT by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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To: jveritas

Well, ya know as far as I am concerned, the day we captured Saddam Hussein was the day we found the WMD in Iraq.

But according to McInerney, the Russkies, French & Chicoms moved the WMD from Iraq to Syria in 2001.
With "allies" like France who needs enemies.
My father has been rolling over in his grave ever since the French refused to side with us in the war against Saddam Hussein. My father was one of the Dough Boys who went to France with Black Jack Pershing in WWI. Frog Legs have verrrrrrry short memories. If not for America & Americans who pulled the French's bacon out of the fire not once but twice; they would all be speaking German today.


Semper Fi,
Kelly


37 posted on 06/21/2006 7:33:01 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: OldFriend

Didn't think so.

DU is used in kinetic energy rounds. Main tank guns, and the A-10 nose gun, plus some other aircraft gatling guns with an anti-armor loadout. That's about it.

Neither used against Saddam in the time frame being discussed.


38 posted on 06/21/2006 7:34:52 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: jveritas

BUMP


39 posted on 06/21/2006 7:44:25 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: OldFriend
DU is not very radioactive.
And Dr. Frank von Hippel of Princeton University has concluded that even if a ton of depleted uranium dust were spread all over Kosovo, the resulting radiation level would be within one one-hundredth of 1 percent of the normal level. In fact, the health risk from radiation emitted from depleted uranium is so low that it is used in radiation shielding for hospitals.
Source
40 posted on 06/21/2006 7:50:13 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (http://dailyterroristroundup.blogspot.com/)
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To: jveritas

given the dates listed on the docs (Dec 98 & Jan 99), this coincides with X42's wag the dog III to take the focus off the impeachment vote. Nonetheless, another great find you've presented.


41 posted on 06/21/2006 7:52:09 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: Palladin

I have no idea. I hope that the Iraq Survey Group had interviewed this woman.


42 posted on 06/21/2006 8:03:49 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas; Txsleuth

I wish a Senator would read these translations on the Senate Floor


43 posted on 06/21/2006 8:29:42 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE&search=Democrats)
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To: Mo1

Yes...just as a lot of the Senators have said that this debate today was good to have...

They should also take whatever time necessary to read some of the documents that have been translated.


44 posted on 06/21/2006 8:35:24 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: pissant
"I'm sure it was just to see if the US used nuclear missiles. /s"

Sarcasm aside, I wonder if they truly were this ignorant. When we invaded, the Iraqis thought that our Javelin Medium Antitank Missiles were tactical nukes due to the degree of destruction that they caused to T-72's. They also thought that our body armor was air conditioned, that our water made us super human, and that our armored vehicles had showers inside.

45 posted on 06/21/2006 9:12:45 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: jveritas; eyespysomething

"A. To download and save as many as possible..."

Is this something that we need to do? Do you have any idea how much space would be needed to archive this stuff?

I have something around 100Gig of space on my secondary drive and a 3 meg/sec T-1 at work. If the stuff will fit in that amount of space, I can leave my laptop at the office and see if I can suck the entire FMSO site in overnight one night.


46 posted on 06/21/2006 9:13:54 PM PDT by NerdDad
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To: OldFriend; jveritas

I believe that DU is only used for armor-penetrating rounds such as on the A-10's GAU-8/A, not for any kind of explosive bombs that I've ever heard of (it's purpose is to enable dynamic armor-piercing rounds to penetrate metal better). As such, DU is totally irrelevant to this discussion as far as I can tell (I'm no expert but my dad used to work with the A-10 as an Aeronautical Engineer for Republic Fairchild - I'll try to get more info from him).

The Navy and Army also have some DU munitions, but certainly not in the kinds of weapons that would have been used from the air against Saddam's presidential sites in the attacks in question.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/du.htm


47 posted on 06/21/2006 9:35:02 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

a closer look (past the radiation aspect) will show that the dust itself is extremely toxic without radiation.....not chemical/biologic class toxicity, but quite toxic in ways similar to other heavy metals.

you DO NOT want to be a driver or shotgun on a lowboy in a convoy of lowboys lugging dust-laden Iraqi tanks destroyed with DU-tipped projectiles......trust me! (or look into it further for yourself)


48 posted on 06/21/2006 10:27:37 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: jveritas

Now the left is saying,
a. the 500 found missile tipped WMDs aren't the "right" ones
b. 500 isn't very many
c. They aren't harmful "now" (too old)
d. George Bush lied

These people have serious mental problems... No telling what this news will do to them ;)


49 posted on 06/21/2006 11:00:14 PM PDT by Libertina (Our troops are INNOCENT until proven otherwise. I'll take their word over the enemy's any day!)
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To: kellynla

Did you see that Dem lady they had on before, saying "These aren't the WMD we went to war over"? That has got to be the worst attempt to detract from a news item I have ever heard. "Yes, we found material capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people, but it wasn't the material capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people we were told about in the beginning." Yeah, that's a REAL powerful argument. I thought that Ann handled her very well during that segment...though her comments when Colmes brought up Murtha were a bit over the top and detracted from her point.


50 posted on 06/21/2006 11:24:56 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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